Big Bore

Midas · 05-22-2008, 12:59 AM

I am in the market for a big bore hunting rifle, I already know that the rifle will be a CZ 550 American, but I am having trouble deciding what cartridge to get, should I get the .416 Rigby, or the .458 Lott? I like the versatility of the Rigby, but the Lott is a bigger hammer, the rifle WILL be going hunting frequently, and I roll my own ammo, so that won't be a concern. Any input is much appreciated.

ArkansasHunter · 05-22-2008, 01:18 AM

Heres my Imput cuz LOL What in the world are you going to hunt in Arkansas ?
BIG FOOT ???
EDIT: Come to think of it. Theres a feller I know that hunts next to a property I lease that hunts with a 416 Rigby caliber rifle.
Don't know body go around him or near his stand either !!!

Midas · 05-22-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Heres my Imput cuz LOL What in the world are you going to hunt in Arkansas ?
BIG FOOT ???

There's a zoo over at Gentry, don't forget! I'm just gettin prepared, in case an elephant or rhino gets loose

AKHunter · 05-22-2008, 01:22 AM

I have always wanted a .416 Rigby and hope to have one some day. Never much considered the .458 Lott. when the Rigby has so much energy and a sizeable hole in its' wake.

I am sure you would be happy whichever you decide on, they certainly are train stoppers. I do see that the .458 Lott is much more efficient at burning powder, nearly 20% lighter charge pushing a 400 grain bullet on a couple examples in my Barnes book. That efficiency, a larger diameter bullet, and the going rate of components these days, would tip the scales in its favor I think.

Also if the rifle shoots accurately with reduced loads (.458WM, like thats a softy heh ) it has that going for it as well.

ArkansasHunter · 05-22-2008, 01:23 AM

Well you know ? That's perty smart think'in !!! Cause them Zoo critters do get out some times. LMAO !
You Shor are ready for all kinds of SHTF ain't yee ?

Midas · 05-22-2008, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AKHunter

I have always wanted a .416 Rigby and hope to have one some day. Never much considered the .458 Lott. when the Rigby has so much energy and a sizeable hole in its' wake.

I am sure you would be happy whichever you decide on, they certainly are train stoppers. I do see that the .458 Lott is much more efficient at burning powder, nearly 20% lighter charge pushing a 400 grain bullet on a couple examples in my Barnes book. That efficiency, a larger diameter bullet, and the going rate of components these days, would tip the scales in its favor I think.

Also if the rifle shoots accurately with reduced loads (.458WM, like thats a softy heh ) it has that going for it as well.

I also like the fact that I can load lead bullets in the .458 Lott, I have a ton of those laying around, which I would normally load in my .45-70, to make good cheap practice in the off season. But on the other hand, I can load some nifty spitzer bullets in the .416, and reach out past 200 yards if needed, and still carry a healthy dose of energy, not to mention the fact that the .416 will be a lot easier to reload, because I won't have to fiddle around with a 3 die set. And with that big ole case, the Rigby operates at relatively modest pressures. I can't imagine anything walking away from a well placed shot from either of these behemoths. I guess I've been infected with magnumitis again

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Well you know ? That's perty smart think'in !!! Cause them Zoo critters do get out some times. LMAO !
You Shor are ready for all kinds of SHTF ain't yee ?

Better safe than sorry, my friend!

Lng Rng · 05-22-2008, 01:45 AM

I would personally grab the 416. I think it would be a good step up from your 375, but probably wouldn't hammer you quite as bad as the Lott. Plus, it will kill anything that you need it to, and give you a little extra range.

I've heard stories of whole packs of molemen being killed with just one shot from a .416 Rigby.

GMCGUY · 05-22-2008, 01:49 AM

Be a stud, get a .416 barrett

. Cold bore shots on them zombies or pesky neighbors up to 2400 yards

dogman2 · 05-22-2008, 02:13 AM

Also if you can't find 458 Lott you can use 458 Winchester in a pinch.

nathangdad · 05-22-2008, 03:59 AM

congrats on making a decision for a big bore but if you have not done so please arrange to fire the big caliber of your choice before you buy. I mention this only because I have seen a good many sad people in my lifetime who bought first then fired at the range.

You might wish to consider the truly classic .375 H and H in your group.

The .416 has a lot going for it in terms of market popularity.

Anyway, good luck and good shooting.

samuel · 05-22-2008, 07:26 AM

Midas:You are already on my 'HERO' list and I hope you do not think it necessary to bruse and possibly debilitate yourself,suffering the punishment a .416 rigby or .458 lott can and will dish out.Taking both in 10lb rifles the .416 has 58lbs and the .458 has 70lbs.But if you just have to indulge in this,do not think you are the only one that suffers from a strange affliction that can not be explained.I got a good deal on a .416rem a few years back and took it.After suffering through sightin,all I could think of available to try it out on was woodchucks.I made 1 shot kills on two chucks at about 150yds and decided this probably wasn't the ideal cal. for small varmints.I sold it to someone that was going to Africa and my shoulder healed up in 3wks.If you really desire one,go for it,whether you need it or not. sam.

mwatson · 05-22-2008, 08:24 AM

We have some big and mean critters here in NW Arkansas....One thing about the 416 is you will only have to shoot them one time.
Mike

jimkim · 05-22-2008, 08:30 AM

I've always wanted a .416 Rigby. I've also always wanted a double in .470NE. So I guess I'm a glutten for punishment.

andrew cochran · 05-22-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Heres my Imput cuz LOL What in the world are you going to hunt in Arkansas ?
BIG FOOT ???
EDIT: Come to think of it. Theres a feller I know that hunts next to a property I lease that hunts with a 416 Rigby caliber rifle.
Don't know body go around him or near his stand either !!!

Well it'll work for deer but I don't know what you'll have left!

mtm1 · 05-22-2008, 09:49 AM

I've had a couple of #1s in Rigby and a CZ 550 Rigby. Very cool cal. Very versatile, load it with 350 gr. bullets and you've got full 06 trajectories. Throw in a 400 gr. and its a stopper. I sold my Rigbys because I have a very nice Mod. 70 in 416 Rem, it's a little smaller and does about the same thing. The Rigby will cost more than the Lott to load. Brass is quite expensive. Lott brass is fairly cheap. If you just want a stunt gun and not too serious about hunting it get the Lott. If you want to actualy use it, the Rigby is great. I carried my CZ last year on a couple of Deer hunts loaded withe the 350 TSX at 2650-2700. Big guns are best if you take them out and use em.

andrew cochran · 05-22-2008, 09:55 AM

Why don't you consider a .375 Ruger?

SwedeSteve · 05-22-2008, 04:02 PM

416 Rigby!

Midas · 05-22-2008, 04:47 PM

Thank you for the replies gentlemen, it appears as if I will be getting the .416 Rigby, I already own a .375 H&H, or that option would be on the table. For the past couple of weeks, it has seemed like the barrel on the ole .375 H&H just isn't big enough for my liking. Maybe shooting the Rigby will knock some sense into my head

Windwalker · 05-22-2008, 05:22 PM

Good luck. Hope you don't permanently injure your shoulder.

samuel · 05-22-2008, 09:30 PM

I never scoped anything that stout but I would have to now and a 4.5" or 5" relief would be my choice.It prevents rings forming on your forehead and around your eye. sam.

05-22-2008, 01:18 AM	#2
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,709	Heres my Imput cuz LOL What in the world are you going to hunt in Arkansas ? BIG FOOT ??? EDIT: Come to think of it. Theres a feller I know that hunts next to a property I lease that hunts with a 416 Rigby caliber rifle. Don't know body go around him or near his stand either !!! Last edited by ArkansasHunter; 05-22-2008 at 01:21 AM.

05-22-2008, 03:59 AM	#10
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,475	Midas, . . . congrats on making a decision for a big bore but if you have not done so please arrange to fire the big caliber of your choice before you buy. I mention this only because I have seen a good many sad people in my lifetime who bought first then fired at the range. You might wish to consider the truly classic .375 H and H in your group. The .416 has a lot going for it in terms of market popularity. Anyway, good luck and good shooting.

05-22-2008, 08:24 AM	#12
mwatson Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Rogers, Arkansas Posts: 236	We have some big and mean critters here in NW Arkansas....One thing about the 416 is you will only have to shoot them one time. Mike __________________ ..............................HOWDY

05-22-2008, 08:30 AM	#13
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,051 Blog Entries: 11	I've always wanted a .416 Rigby. I've also always wanted a double in .470NE. So I guess I'm a glutten for punishment. __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim

05-22-2008, 09:49 AM	#15
mtm1 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Southern B.C. Posts: 85	Rigby I've had a couple of #1s in Rigby and a CZ 550 Rigby. Very cool cal. Very versatile, load it with 350 gr. bullets and you've got full 06 trajectories. Throw in a 400 gr. and its a stopper. I sold my Rigbys because I have a very nice Mod. 70 in 416 Rem, it's a little smaller and does about the same thing. The Rigby will cost more than the Lott to load. Brass is quite expensive. Lott brass is fairly cheap. If you just want a stunt gun and not too serious about hunting it get the Lott. If you want to actualy use it, the Rigby is great. I carried my CZ last year on a couple of Deer hunts loaded withe the 350 TSX at 2650-2700. Big guns are best if you take them out and use em.

05-22-2008, 12:59 AM	#1
Midas Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springdale, Arkansas Posts: 3,807 Images: 2 Blog Entries: 6	Big Bore I am in the market for a big bore hunting rifle, I already know that the rifle will be a CZ 550 American, but I am having trouble deciding what cartridge to get, should I get the .416 Rigby, or the .458 Lott? I like the versatility of the Rigby, but the Lott is a bigger hammer, the rifle WILL be going hunting frequently, and I roll my own ammo, so that won't be a concern. Any input is much appreciated. __________________ "Recoil lasts for a second, gravity lasts forever"

05-22-2008, 01:22 AM	#4
AKHunter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 899	I have always wanted a .416 Rigby and hope to have one some day. Never much considered the .458 Lott. when the Rigby has so much energy and a sizeable hole in its' wake. I am sure you would be happy whichever you decide on, they certainly are train stoppers. I do see that the .458 Lott is much more efficient at burning powder, nearly 20% lighter charge pushing a 400 grain bullet on a couple examples in my Barnes book. That efficiency, a larger diameter bullet, and the going rate of components these days, would tip the scales in its favor I think. Also if the rifle shoots accurately with reduced loads (.458WM, like thats a softy heh ) it has that going for it as well.

05-22-2008, 01:23 AM	#5
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,709	Well you know ? That's perty smart think'in !!! Cause them Zoo critters do get out some times. LMAO ! You Shor are ready for all kinds of SHTF ain't yee ?

05-22-2008, 01:45 AM	#7
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 944	I would personally grab the 416. I think it would be a good step up from your 375, but probably wouldn't hammer you quite as bad as the Lott. Plus, it will kill anything that you need it to, and give you a little extra range. I've heard stories of whole packs of molemen being killed with just one shot from a .416 Rigby.

05-22-2008, 01:49 AM	#8
GMCGUY Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 43	Be a stud, get a .416 barrett . Cold bore shots on them zombies or pesky neighbors up to 2400 yards

05-22-2008, 02:13 AM	#9
dogman2 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 133	Also if you can't find 458 Lott you can use 458 Winchester in a pinch.

05-22-2008, 07:26 AM	#11
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	Midas:You are already on my 'HERO' list and I hope you do not think it necessary to bruse and possibly debilitate yourself,suffering the punishment a .416 rigby or .458 lott can and will dish out.Taking both in 10lb rifles the .416 has 58lbs and the .458 has 70lbs.But if you just have to indulge in this,do not think you are the only one that suffers from a strange affliction that can not be explained.I got a good deal on a .416rem a few years back and took it.After suffering through sightin,all I could think of available to try it out on was woodchucks.I made 1 shot kills on two chucks at about 150yds and decided this probably wasn't the ideal cal. for small varmints.I sold it to someone that was going to Africa and my shoulder healed up in 3wks.If you really desire one,go for it,whether you need it or not. sam.

05-22-2008, 09:55 AM	#16
andrew cochran Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little town in ARKANSAW! Posts: 2,155	Why don't you consider a .375 Ruger? __________________ If you don't have anything good to say... Don't say it!

05-22-2008, 04:02 PM	#17
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,372 Images: 1	416 Rigby! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

05-22-2008, 04:47 PM	#18
Midas Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springdale, Arkansas Posts: 3,807 Images: 2 Blog Entries: 6	Thank you for the replies gentlemen, it appears as if I will be getting the .416 Rigby, I already own a .375 H&H, or that option would be on the table. For the past couple of weeks, it has seemed like the barrel on the ole .375 H&H just isn't big enough for my liking. Maybe shooting the Rigby will knock some sense into my head __________________ "Recoil lasts for a second, gravity lasts forever"

05-22-2008, 05:22 PM	#19
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,585	Good luck. Hope you don't permanently injure your shoulder. __________________ America: Love it and protect it or leave it

05-22-2008, 09:30 PM	#20
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	I never scoped anything that stout but I would have to now and a 4.5" or 5" relief would be my choice.It prevents rings forming on your forehead and around your eye. sam.