HELP! Eddystone, What do I have?

SightNSqueeze · 08-06-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AKGARCIA

I want to thank evryone for all your help. I'm really glad I choose this web site to join.

NOW CAN YA ALL HELP AGAIN?

ON THE PICS YOU CAN SEE THE CONDITION OF THE RIFLE'S. HOW DO I GO TO NEXT LEVEL IN CLEANING? PLEASE FORGIVE MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE BUT I WANT TO REALLY PUT SOME TIME INTO THEM. DO I BUY A SMALL DETAIL BUFFER? DO I ONLY USE THE OIL AND CLOTH THAT COME WITH CLEANING KIT?
YOU CAN SEE THE SMALL RESIDULE OF DIRT ETC....

WHAT DO I BUY?

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE HELP.

I don't think a buffer is really necessary. From the pictures that you provided, I think just some good gun cleaning solvent and a stiff bristle nylon tooth brush or other nylon cleaning brush will do. Unless you choose to re-blue the rifles, you will have that satin blue patina that is common in most classic sporters and service rifles; not a bad look if you ask me. The goal is to get rid of the tiny rust spots and cut through the thin layer of grime that undoubtedly developed over the years. Give the bores of your rifles a good scrubbing with cleaning solvent with a "brass" bore brush from the breech end with the bolt removed. Let the solvent remain for a few minutes to do its job and then remove it all with lots of clean cotton patches until the bore is bone try, then give it a super thin coat of gun oil to prevent rust before storing. Repeat the process immediately after you shoot them.

As far as the wooden stocks: In the past, I have used wood soap, a little water and let dry. A little Tung oil or linseed oil looks great, and better than shellac or polyurethane in my opinion. Some of the wood working members here on the site are better at giving advice in that department.

Palladin8 · 08-06-2009, 11:15 AM

I would say if you really want to clean them then you would need to remove them from the stocks and scrub them down with the method SightNSqueeze suggested. That way you can ensure all the crud is removed from the nooks and cranys. It's not difficult to remove them from the wood. A few screws and you are done. To clean the wood you could use a wood soap like the ones used for wood floors and such or even a mild dish soap would work. Take care not to allow water into the barrel channel as some stocks are not finished or sealed in this area and the water will soak into the grain quickly. If it does get soak in I would suggest letting it air dry for a few days prior to re installing the barrel that way it will properly fit. tung oil or linseed oil work well. You could even use the birchwood casey stock wax for a good protectant.
And yes we want to see range reports ASAP. We want you to truely enjoy these rifles and you can't do that until you shoot them. So get out there and shoot them for crying out loud.

bullseyemike · 08-13-2009, 11:01 PM

Just an FYI, you may want to get the rifle checked by a competent 'smith for another reason. The Eddystone arsenal Enfields did have some receiver cracking problems not unlike certain 03 Springfields. Just thought I would throw that in.

.22hustler · 08-14-2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bullseyemike

Just an FYI, you may want to get the rifle checked by a competent 'smith for another reason. The Eddystone arsenal Enfields did have some receiver cracking problems not unlike certain 03 Springfields. Just thought I would throw that in.

I believe this problem was addressed in another thread and was proved invalid...

AKGARCIA · 08-18-2009, 10:49 AM

Ok guys I went to the range yesterday. Sorry no pictures because it was raining yesterday in Sitka, but I coulod'nt wait no longer to FINALLY shoot these two.

The Eddystone WOW---

What an AWESOME PIECE OF AMERICAN HISTORY. Great rifle, my group after I settled down. 10 shots, at 100 yards in a 2 inch group, with 1 off, I think it was me.

Next was the .308. I was really impressed with this one mainly because it was cut and was not expecting to much. However, Tight 1 inch group at 100 yards all 10 shots. The group was high and to the right, so I need to site in the scope.
Is there any advice before I go back to adjust the scope??
I know where the adjustments are but what next??

rondog · 08-18-2009, 11:36 AM

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Is there any advice before I go back to adjust the scope??
I know where the adjustments are but what next??

Bring more ammo and a camera? An observer with a videocam would be a nice touch!

frostfarrier · 11-05-2009, 08:14 PM

i have agun stamped u.s. model of 1917 eddy stone seriel # 246508 in a fajen stock wondering what had or how to find more info havent bought it yet the guy is asking 300.00

Purdy · 11-06-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by frostfarrier

i have agun stamped u.s. model of 1917 eddy stone seriel # 246508 in a fajen stock wondering what had or how to find more info havent bought it yet the guy is asking 300.00

$300 might be a bit high, depends on the condition and how well the "sporterizing" was done. Some are real dogs.

Old Steve · 11-09-2009, 05:56 PM

If it is a 1917 Enfield P17 by Eddystone arsenal unmodified, you can probably find some collector who will pay significant money for it, if it is modified, you have a shooter that has long lock time, cocks on closing, and has a case-hardened mild steel receiver that will probably crack if you try to change the barrel, and is quite heavy. It might be worth $150 to someone.

big shrek · 11-09-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AKGARCIA

Thank you for the definition, I did not know.
I paid $100.00 for both rifles. With the leupold scope on the 308 I thought the price for both was a deal.

Either that was a Buddy/Family deal, or they were hot...LOL

Cyrano · 11-10-2009, 01:08 PM

AKGarcia, Palladin8 has a pretty good handle on what to do about the wood, although I'd use tung oil varnish instead of boiled linseed oil. Personal preference, that's all.

As far as the metal: order yourself a pint bottle of Gunzilla from Top Duck. It'll cost you about $25 plus S&H. Use that to clean the rifles and protect them. Gunzilla will pull gunk and grime out of a rifle you'd have sworn was clean enough to get past Gunny R. Lee Ermey's gimlet eye.Clean them really good with bronze brushes and dental picks (if you don't have dental picks, the bamboo skewers Chinese restaurants will work nearly as well), and then get yourself a boresnake in .30-06 for ongoing cleaning.

$100 for a pair of sporterized milsurps, nicely sporterized milsurps at that, that shoot to minute of angle, yet. Some guys have all the luck!

Purdy · 11-12-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Steve

If it is a 1917 Enfield P17 by Eddystone arsenal unmodified, you can probably find some collector who will pay significant money for it, if it is modified, you have a shooter that has long lock time, cocks on closing, and has a case-hardened mild steel receiver that will probably crack if you try to change the barrel, and is quite heavy. It might be worth $150 to someone.

You won't "crack" the receiver if you know what you are doing. The proper procedure is to set up in a lathe and take a relief cut in the old barrel just ahead to the front receiver ring, then you can turn the barrel off with no problem.

08-18-2009, 10:49 AM	#45
AKGARCIA Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 18	Went to the range! Ok guys I went to the range yesterday. Sorry no pictures because it was raining yesterday in Sitka, but I coulod'nt wait no longer to FINALLY shoot these two. The Eddystone WOW--- What an AWESOME PIECE OF AMERICAN HISTORY. Great rifle, my group after I settled down. 10 shots, at 100 yards in a 2 inch group, with 1 off, I think it was me. Next was the .308. I was really impressed with this one mainly because it was cut and was not expecting to much. However, Tight 1 inch group at 100 yards all 10 shots. The group was high and to the right, so I need to site in the scope. Is there any advice before I go back to adjust the scope?? I know where the adjustments are but what next??

11-05-2009, 08:14 PM	#47
frostfarrier Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1	1917 eddy stone i have agun stamped u.s. model of 1917 eddy stone seriel # 246508 in a fajen stock wondering what had or how to find more info havent bought it yet the guy is asking 300.00

08-06-2009, 11:15 AM	#42
Palladin8 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,451	I would say if you really want to clean them then you would need to remove them from the stocks and scrub them down with the method SightNSqueeze suggested. That way you can ensure all the crud is removed from the nooks and cranys. It's not difficult to remove them from the wood. A few screws and you are done. To clean the wood you could use a wood soap like the ones used for wood floors and such or even a mild dish soap would work. Take care not to allow water into the barrel channel as some stocks are not finished or sealed in this area and the water will soak into the grain quickly. If it does get soak in I would suggest letting it air dry for a few days prior to re installing the barrel that way it will properly fit. tung oil or linseed oil work well. You could even use the birchwood casey stock wax for a good protectant. And yes we want to see range reports ASAP. We want you to truely enjoy these rifles and you can't do that until you shoot them. So get out there and shoot them for crying out loud.

08-13-2009, 11:01 PM	#43
bullseyemike Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9	Just an FYI, you may want to get the rifle checked by a competent 'smith for another reason. The Eddystone arsenal Enfields did have some receiver cracking problems not unlike certain 03 Springfields. Just thought I would throw that in.

11-09-2009, 05:56 PM	#49
Old Steve Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 31	If it is a 1917 Enfield P17 by Eddystone arsenal unmodified, you can probably find some collector who will pay significant money for it, if it is modified, you have a shooter that has long lock time, cocks on closing, and has a case-hardened mild steel receiver that will probably crack if you try to change the barrel, and is quite heavy. It might be worth $150 to someone.

11-10-2009, 01:08 PM	#51
Cyrano Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York Posts: 6,917	AKGarcia, Palladin8 has a pretty good handle on what to do about the wood, although I'd use tung oil varnish instead of boiled linseed oil. Personal preference, that's all. As far as the metal: order yourself a pint bottle of Gunzilla from Top Duck. It'll cost you about $25 plus S&H. Use that to clean the rifles and protect them. Gunzilla will pull gunk and grime out of a rifle you'd have sworn was clean enough to get past Gunny R. Lee Ermey's gimlet eye.Clean them really good with bronze brushes and dental picks (if you don't have dental picks, the bamboo skewers Chinese restaurants will work nearly as well), and then get yourself a boresnake in .30-06 for ongoing cleaning. $100 for a pair of sporterized milsurps, nicely sporterized milsurps at that, that shoot to minute of angle, yet. Some guys have all the luck!