“Appalachian Assault Rifle”

[ke4sky]

A favorite of lawmen and deer slayers alike, .30-30 lever-guns defended our Home Front in two World Wars, fed a then-mostly rural nation and still have utility for sport and home protection.

(This article of mine previously appeared in the Cast Bullet Association's Fouling Shot magzine.

My childhood wasn’t different from others of the Baby Boomer generation. Northern Virginia after World War II was an odd mix of The Walton’s and American Graffiti. The rural south still existed where we now call it “outside the beltway.” When Dad bought our Annandale house in 1954, State Route 236, aka “Little River Turnpike” was a 2-lane country road between Alexandria and Fairfax Courthouse, which wasn’t yet a city.

Our neighborhood was surrounded by dairy farms, hardwood forests were full of game, and we shot my brother’s open-sighted Remington Model 511 .22 bolt-action out the upstairs bedroom window to kill woodchucks raiding Dad’s vegetable garden. Our neighbor was an avid hunter who let us watch him butcher deer and feed scraps to his two German shorthaired pointers. When I turned 12, he showed me his deer rifle, a Winchester Model 94 in.30-30. Like any kid who watched TV cowboys of that era, I was enthralled!

The opening, in 1963, of Interstate 495, the now-infamous “Beltway,” put “my world” on a fast track towards destruction. By the time I became old enough for Dad to allow me to have a rifle of my own, the fields and woods around us were rapidly falling victim to the developers’ bulldozers. Within a few years we were immersed in suburbia, strip malls, and the Cold War. Our shooting activity moved indoors to Fort Belvoir. This meant that my first rifle would be a target .22, the targets paper, and life would never be the same.

Summer visits to our uncle’s West Virginia farm prolonged our sanity. There was no TV, so instead we learned about reality. Meat doesn’t come from a seed planted under cellophane-covered meat trays in the grocery. Veggies don’t grow in the can. “If you eat, thank a Farmer.” Outdoor recreation is a celebration of God’s Creation which rewards you with peace, solitude, time for contemplation and rest after completing a day’s cheerful labor.

Uncle Bill told us the truth about guns. His stories were very different from what we saw on TV. His .30-30 Winchester Model 94 had guarded coal trains from Nazi saboteurs, kept order during mine labor disputes, ended the suffering of sick or injured farm animals, and helped feed starving neighbors during the Great Depression. This rather plain rifle had been carried by a humble farmer, who never expected to see armed combat again after returning from the Pacific after WWII. But, when deputized to serve on a sheriff’s posse he had to fire it to take out a “bad man who tried to kill my friend.” Recalling the event invoked no pride, but a simple wisdom explaining that “grown ups” acknowledge that both good and evil forces exist in our world, which sometimes compel honorable men to make difficult choices which are necessary to protect our country and those whom we love. A suppressed slight tremor in his voice reflected deep conviction as he explained that our Second Amendment isn’t just about hunting, gun collecting and target shooting. Guns aren’t adult toys, but serious tools. Too many shooters today have forgotten that simple fact.

While my older brother, Rick and I had shot .22s and knew fundamentals, firing our first center-fire, watching the .30-30 explode a pumpkin, accompanied by the smack of steel butt-plate against T-shirted shoulder and ringing in our adolescent ears made a lasting impression. Sadly, a .30-30 lever-gun would not find a spot in my closet until I reached middle age. A few years ago a circa-1942 Winchester Model 94 carbine appeared at an estate sale, which brought back memories as if it were yesterday. I had to have it.

My choice of firearms in early adulthood was influenced by NRA target shooting on a high school rifle team, coached by WWII and Korean War veterans. My first high-power rifle was an 03-A3 Springfield, later replaced by a match M1 while in college. Plentiful, DCM surplus Ball M2 meant that I didn’t need to start hand loading or casting bullets until the cheap GI ammo dried up. My first article “Cast Bullets in the M1 Rifle” was published in American Rifleman in 1967. That’s when I first met Frank Marshall.

My shooting mentors were retired military officers who were also target shooters. But Frank was our devil’s advocate, the contrarian who provided a practical balance that kept us in touch with reality. “While you guys are arguing that minute-of-angle crapola, do you see that buck over there laughing at you?”

Sighting-In Days at Fairfax Rod & Gun Club brought out curmudgeons and lively discussion topics. The .30-30 Winchester was a favorite deer camp subject, because the target bolt-gunner’s who favored .30-‘06s were always quick to ballyhoo the lever-guns. While Frank owned bolt guns and shot them as well as any man, he remained a staunch defender of the lever-action in the deer woods. Salient arguments I remember are summarized:

The .30-30 is ubiquitous. Guns and ammo are sold everywhere. A rural lawman, farmer or forester could find .30-30s at any crossroads grocery. (A federal special agent I trust still advises field agents not to carry any gun of a caliber they cannot buy ammo for at Wal-Mart). Since I found the Sleepy Creek range in WV I’ve bought several .30-30s just to exploit the THOUSANDS of rounds of brass gleaned over the years. Lever guns remain popular in rural areas because they are cheap, plentiful, and familiar and they work. In remote regions a .30-30 is the only high-power rifle many people have heard of.

It Offers Practical Hunting Accuracy. Grouping of the average lever-action .30-30 is not spectacular, but is adequate for the utilitarian. Groups of 3” to 4” at 100 yards are normal for open sights. Peep sights will knock an inch off of that. I’d advise today’s 30-30 user to get a receiver sight. Post-war rifles are already drilled and tapped for them. A peep sight provides useful improvement over traditional open sights, because it is faster in snap shooting and obstructs less of the target than open buckhorns. Use a threaded target aperture in bright light and simply unscrew the disk at twilight.
Frank liked the practical simplicity of open sights, stressing that a .30-30 was a “short range” (meaning less than 200 yards in the Infantry sense) rifle. Open sights should be zeroed so that when using a “fine bead” (drawn down into the notch) factory loads strike 3 inches high at 100 yards. This provides a 150-yard, point-blank range, which defines the realistic limit for factory loads fired from a typical 3 minute-of-angle carbine.

A “coarse bead” hold was a common long-range expedient a hundred years ago when the .30-30 was our first flat-trajectory, smokeless powder big game rifle. Here the bead is centered between the points of the semi-buckhorn, while the flat front sight base is raised to bridge the gap across the lower notch. This provides a useful long range zero at maximum effective range, which works out to 200 meters with my 94 Winchester and 1893 Marlin, hitting a 12” steel gong with factory loads and a center-of-mass hold.

Combat Accurate, If You’re a Cowboy. As a law enforcement or home defense gun Frank compared his Winchester to an SKS, calling it his “Appalachian Assault Rifle.” Lever guns today have the advantage of a non-threatening, familiar appearance which “doesn’t scare the natives. In 19th Century close quarter battle, lever actions had tactical advantages, offering a large magazine capacity and rapidity of fire compared to single-shot breechloaders and early European bolt-guns. The Ottoman cavalry and Pancho Villa agreed. A bolt-rifle magazine cannot be topped off without taking it momentarily out of the fight (Unless it’s a Krag!-Editor), whereas you can shove more rounds through a lever-action loading gate whenever you need to. On the frontier and against bandits in dusty border towns a lever gun was “as simple as it ever got,” said Frank.

Purists Debate Winchester vs. Marlin If you must scope a lever gun the Marlin enables optics to be mounted low, over the bore, where they belong for snap-shooting. But in snow-shoe country when a rifle would not be protected in a saddle scabbard, hunters liked the Marlin’s solid top receiver and side ejection port because they kept rain, snow and tree debris out of the action. The Marlin breech-bolt, lever and ejector removed easily to enable cleaning from the breech, avoiding wearing out the muzzle crown, as happened to many Winchesters. While it is true that the Winchester action is more exposed to the elements, Winchester fans like to point out that say its open-top makes it easier to inspect the chamber, pry out a stuck case, clear a jam or debris. Doing so in the Marlin action requires disassembly. No big deal say Marlin lovers. They do it every time they clean and can do so in the field with a Scout knife, when required.

“Winchesters should be issued to natives or Neanderthals lacking the mechanical aptitude of an Army Private to maintain their field equipment,’” Frank liked to say.

Scope vs. Iron Sights. Franked conceded that a scope was indeed a help for old guys with poor eyesight to reduce sighting errors, but he still liked to quip “the only sighting error you’ve got is that extra head-space between your ears!… the buffalo were decimated, Indians wiped out and two World Wars fought with rifles that barely do 3 minutes of angle… What are you shooting at, cockroaches?”

Frank never had much faith in collimators and was highly skeptical of rifle scopes unless the maker’s name was German. Most zero problems seen during Sighting-In Days were with neophytes using discount-store, variable-power scopes, in high see-through mounts which defeated the whole purpose of having a scope on a snap-shooting rifle, and never zeroed beyond “bore sighting.”

Iron sights are simple and “best for conscript troops and farm boys,” Frank said. “Once zeroed you can forget the darned things until you get too old to see them.” (At age 60 Frank finally did scope his deer rifle – Leupold was German, wasn’t he?).

Pre-WWII Square bolt, conventionally rifled Marlins. Soon after Winchester introduced the .30 Winchester Center-Fire (WCF), in 1896, Marlin, started offering its Model 1893 (previously available chambered for the .32-40 and .38-55), for the “new” .30-30 Marlin, thus avoiding use of the Winchester trademark, and following familiar black powder naming conventions, using the caliber and the smokeless powder charge in grains. About 900,000 Model 1893s were made between 1893 and 1935.
In 1936 manufacturing modernization resulted in the Model 36.

Both the 1893 and Model 36 rifles have a square breech-bolt cross section and conventional 4-groove barrels with ten-inch twist of rifling, similar to Springfield and Krag rifles of their era. The Model 1893 pictured was produced originally as a .32-40 and was factory refitted with a Model 36 .30-30 barrel shortly after WWII. While mis-matched for collector purposes, it made possible an affordable, traditional American hunting rifle which fit my needs. The 4-groove Marlins shoot cast bullets well, but you will need to slug your barrel because groove diameters as large as .310-.311” are not unusual. The Models 1893 and 36 are entirely safe at normal .30-30 pressures, but are not suited for hotter wildcats some people try on the post-war Model 336 and Guide Guns.

Post-WWII Round Bolt 336s. After World War II Marlin again modernized its manufacturing process for lever-action rifles. The Model 336, introduced in 1948, has a bolt of round cross section which is machined from bar stock, and is hard chrome plated. The carrier was re-designed to produce a smoother-working action. The thicker receiver is heavier-walled and stronger than the Winchester. Microgroove barrels came into common use with the introduction of the Model 336 and remain so, except in the current production Marlin Cowboy rifles which have Ballard-type conventional rifling.

Microgroove rifling was first used in the Pedersen Device for the M1903 Springfield rifle. It used a rifled chamber insert, which matched the rifling pitch of the Springfield barrel. Microgroove rifling enabled jacketed bullets to attain full velocity and normal gyroscopic stability without being damaged upon entering the normal rifle bore. After World War II during development of the Model 336, Microgroove rifling was found well adapted to the then-new process of “button rifling” because it reduced tool driving force. Marlin exploited this technology to build a product identity around the Microgroove trademark. While it is commonly believed that Microgroove barrels don’t shoot cast bullets as accurately as conventional rifling, they do fine with suitable loads and work best with hard, long-bodied bullets having a short bore-riding nose, large enough to properly fit in somewhat larger bore and groove diameters.

Heavy vs. light bullets. Frank said that New England old timers when he was a kid in the 1930s thought the .303 Savage with its 190-gr. bullet at about 1950 f.p.s. was a better deer killer than the lighter 150 or 160-gr. bullets used in the .30-30, which lacked penetration. The 170-gr. bullets came out later as a “solution to a non-existent problem… because hind end of a deer is to eat and not to shoot.”

Another mentor Ellis Lea was a West Virginia lawman before going into the Army during WWII. He added that early .30-30s bullets had thin, flimsy jackets and great gobs of exposed pure lead at the nose which deformed if you stared too long at them. Fragile, fragmenting bullets were great anti-personnel loads, but tore up meat and wouldn’t exit either a man or a deer. Ellis said that the 150-gr. Winchester Silvertip was never a satisfactory hunting load, but a fragile, fragmenting bullet, developed for law enforcement and corrections use, to the reduce risk of riccochets and over-penetration.

In pre-WWII days before the term “patrol rifle” had been coined, a “car gun” still meant a lever-action, not a military semi-auto or “black rifle.”

Controlled expansion bullets such as the Remington Core-Lokt and Winchester Power Point Bullet were post-war developments, but brought the .30-30 into its own as a game rifle. Modern 150-gr. loads shoot a little flatter in open country, and expand easier on deer.

170-grain soft-points are still the bullet of choice in heavily-wooded country where the man with only one rifle may also be called upon to do take bear, elk or moose at short range.

The .30-30 isn’t recommended today for larger game than deer, but Frank always said “it always worked just fine for anybody who could get close, shoot well and didn’t have his head all confused from reading crap in gun magazines!”.

If one cartridge should be identified as ideal for utility with cast bullets, it would be the .30-30 Winchester. It achieves full, normal ballistics and hunting performance with cast bullets which compares favorably with factory jacketed loads. Doing so is easily accomplished using off-the-shelf, bullet designs and cheap wheel-weight alloy which is available everywhere. Mattern described several classes of loads for the Springfield. Frank Marshall applied a similar logic to the .30-30 in assembling either sub-sonic plinking and small game loads, “.32-40 class” target loads or heavy “deer” loads.

Before WWII the ammunition factories offered reduced power small game loads for the .30-30. These were assembled with a 100-gr. bullet and about 6 grains of fast-burning powder which provided ballistics very much like the .32-20 Winchester. However, hand loading was much more common, because factory ammunition was expensive.

Depression-era hunters often used 100-120 grain cast bullets intended for the .32 S&W Long or .32-20 with a light charge of whatever pistol or shotgun powder they had lying around. Frank told me that common practice was to force a 0 or 00 buckshot through the bullet sizing hole in the handle of an Ideal tong tool. Since store bought powder was expensive for a kid rationing meager funds he learned to pour a tiny powder charge salvaged from a misfired .22 LR round into a primed .30-30 case, pushing the sized buckshot flush into the case mouth, smearing a little cup grease or tallow over it. This provided a nearly silent load which shot OK for small game or varmints to about 50 feet.

Any powder which could be gleaned from misfired handgun, shot-shell or .22 ammo was salvaged, blended in a jar and portioned carefully with a home-made dip measure, made by soldering a .32 ACP case onto a wire handle. Every precious scrap of lead pipe, shot or recovered bullet was salvaged, blended and cast into bullets on the gas stove.

A rimmed case of modest capacity works much better for reduced loads than larger rimless cases, such as the .30-’06. The .30-30 case is almost idea because its reduced capacity improves ballistic uniformity with these light charges. Rimmed cases avoid the common problem experienced when using rimless cases for light loads, in which primer blast drives the case forward, setting the shoulder back and shortening the body length. Rimless cases used repeatedly for reduced loads eventually experience excessive headspace which leads to misfires or case head separations, unless flash holes are enlarged. However, if you mix these cases up and assemble a full load in them it may cause an accident, so using an unmodified, rimmed case for light loads makes more sense.

Round-nosed bullets less than 150 grains are best for non-destructive small game loads. At subsonic velocities they make little noise and destroy little more meat than a .22 LR.

Most pistol and shot-shell powders available today do not behave safely in severely reduced loads, so I don’t recommend less than 4 grains of any powder in the .30-30.

The best current powders for minimum .30-30 loads are Clays, Bullseye, Tite Group, 700X, Red Dot, Unique or WW231. Use only soft, lubricated lead bullets of 150 grains or less. Best accuracy in my rifles with ten-inch twist was with the 130-gr. NEI #82 cast of wheel-weights, tumbled Lee Liquid Alox and sized to .311 with 5 grains of Bullseye for 1080 f.p.s. in a 20-inch barrel and 1” five-shot groups at 50 yards.

If you want a jacketed-bullet, reduced load for the .30-30, use the 110-gr. SPs intended for the cal.30 M1 carbine, seat to 2.4” OAL and use the Lee factory Crimp Die to prevent bullets from telescoping into the case under compression of the magazine spring. Larger .312 diameter jacketed bullets intended for the .32 H&R Magnum may not chamber unless the case necks are turned. They weren’t as accurate for me as the cheaper, bulk Remington .30 carbine soft-points from Midway.

Do not attempt to load less than 5 grains of fact burning pistol powders in the .30-30 with a jacketed bullet, as you may stick a bullet in the bore. A .30-30 charge of 5 grs. of Bullseye gives 1000 f.p.s. with the .30 carbine soft-point.

Do not exceed 6 grains of fast-burning pistol or shot-shell powders in the .30-30. A charge of 6 grs. of Bullseye is a snappy load with flat trajectory to 100 yards and ballistics like the.32-20 Winchester, 1250 f.p.s. with the 110-gr. jacketed carbine bullet,(about 80-100 f.p.s. less than a lubricated cast bullet of similar weight), 1330 f.p.s. with the 130-gr. NEI #82 and 1450 f.p.s. with the 94-gr. Meister LFN (on the ragged edge of leading, but accuracy is still OK for 2” five-shot groups at 50 yards if you only shoot a few).

With Unique, SR7625 or PB six grains is the starting load, which in the .30-30 can safely be increased up to 7-1/2 grains if cast bullet loads don’t lead and accuracy remains good, but do not exceed that. Velocity will be about 1300 with cast bullets and about 1200 f.p.s. with jacketed. At these lor velocities don't expect any expansion unless bones are struck. Flat-nosed bullets are best for small game.

“.32-40 class” target and woods loads; Wheel weights + 2% tin (13 BHN) alloy enables reliable expansion of flat-nosed bullets above 1600 f.p.s., approximating .32-40 “high velocity” loads intended for the 1893 Marlin and 94 Winchester, (but not Ballards). Suitable .30-30 charges with the #31141 or #30-180FN are 16 grs. of #2400, 18 grs. of 4198 or 21 grs. of RL-7. These are satisfactory woods deer loads if you place shots accurately and don’t shoot past 50 yards. The effect on game of firing these in a rifle is similar to using full-power .30-30 loads from a Contender pistol with a 10” barrel.

Softer 1:20 tin/lead expands reliably in loads equivalent to black powder loads in the .32-40 down to about 1300 f.p.s. Suitable charges are 12 grs., of #2400, 14 grs. of 4198 or 16 grs. of RL-7. When velocities are kept below about 1400 f.p.s. plain-based bullets or gas-check designs used without the gas-check will provide good results.

Heavy (Deer) Hunting Loads
The .30-30 Winchester operates at a maximum average pressure of 40,000 cup. Normal factory ballistics are closely approximated with 29 grains of IMR3031 and a 170-gr. jacketed bullet or 36 grs. of RL-15 and a 150-gr. jacketed bullet. The same powders used successfully with jacketed bullets achieve similar velocities with cast loads, using a 15% charge reduction from the listed jacketed load for the same weight bullet.

For deer hunting the .30-30 performs best with heavier, flat-nosed 170-190-grain cast bullets such as the RCBS 30-180FN or the Lyman #31141. If greater penetration and slower expansion are desired, substitute a round-nosed bullet such as the #311291. For best game performance alloy hardness should not exceed BHN15 and velocities should exceed 1800 f.p.s.

Weight retention and penetration of cast bullets are reliable to the maximum velocities attainable in this cartridge. Hunting accuracy equal to factory loads for up to a dozen rounds is no problem with adequate lubrication. I “double-lube” heavy hunting loads which push alloy compatibility using 50-50 Alox-Beeswax in the grooves and tumbling the entire bullet after sizing either with Lee Liquid Alox diluted 50-50 with mineral spirits, or Rooster jacket. I’ve bagged about a dozen deer using cast loads in the .30-30. Most were shot at ranges from 50 to 150 yards and didn’t require finishing shots. It is normal to trail them a short distance, but none were lost. This is no different than my experience using factory .30-30 loads.

While box magazine and break-open guns can safely handle pointed bullets, jacketed spitzers have heavier jackets than perform well at .30-30 velocities. While it is true that the Savage 99, Remington 788 and the Contender pistol are stronger than the average lever-gun, .30-30 brass is thin and fragile and a case filure could have dangerous consequences, so I do not recommend loading the .30-30 to exceed factory pressures. Don’t take a chance.

[SwedeSteve]

Great read. Thanks for posting !!

[moosemike]

Very enlightening article. I enjoyed it. I've killed more game, up to and including a Bull Moose, with the 30-30 than any other cartridge. I've reloaded alot of 30-30's through the years but have always done so with jacketed bullets mostly 170's. I may have to get into cast bullet reloading after reading your article. The 30-30 doesn't beat up my shoulder or hurt my ears and the bullets penetrate so well that it is just a terrific, efficient killer. If there is a more perfect woods cartridge for deer I am not aware of it.

[DaTeacha]

Nice! Thanks for posting it. Some like the .32 Special just a bit better, but they usually shoot Marlins, too.

[Lobo0311]

Thanks for posting, a buddy of mine in Colorado uses his .30-30 for Elk usually with excellent results.

[Metronome]

Thanks for the post, long live levers!

[wcassidy]

great post, speaks to just about everything i've loaded for my marlin in the past 2 years

[Wild West]

Had a Uncle that told me he stretched the barrel on his 30-30 by shooting an elk so far away. He said it would be his last hunt because it ruined his gun. I am still trying to figure out how he stretched the barrel??? I was pretty young at the time and he and my other uncles drank a bit. Hummm?/

[quietman]

Ke4sky- this is a great read.

I was thinking it would be nice if you would update this to include the development of the leverevolution ammo and bullet.

This bullet puts the .30-.30 into the class of a midrange (up to 250 yd) rifle. This load is faster and harder hitting than the 170gr and increases the accuracy which contributes to the midrange status.

In addition, the increased useable range now makes the us of a scope on a .30-.30 a viable choice when deciding between iron sights and scoping the rifle, even for "younger eyes".

Would like to see your take on this development included in an updated version of your article.

[rimfirenut]

That was excellent reading and what a great post!!!

[TeeRex]

Thanks for the post that was a great read

[jerry]

Interesti'n

[Tack Driver]

All my relatives in West Virginia have at least one, including myself. Definately the "appalachian assault rifle."

[madcratebuilder]

Great article ke4sky. I would add the Savage 99 to those classic levers. The finest lever gun ever made IMHO.

[ke4sky]

Originally Posted by quietman

....it would be nice ...to include the development of the leverevolution ammo and bullet. This bullet puts the .30-.30 into the class of a midrange (up to 250 yd) rifle...increased useable range now makes the us of a scope on a .30-.30 a viable choice when deciding between iron sights and scoping the rifle, even for "younger eyes". Would like to see your take on this development included in an updated version of your article.

Inherent design accuracy is the limiting factor in lever action rifles. Better ammo is a slight help, but the improvement is small and doesn't permit you to really extend the effective range of the rifle by very much.

The average Winchester 94 even when shot off a test stand (which I have done) compares in hit probability against military silhouette targets to an SKS. At very best, under ideal conditions, with the best ammunition, and no aiming error, it is a 3-minute-of-angle grouper. When fired from a good field position, actual performance is closer to 4 moa. The limitations imposed by inherent disperson in the rifle-ammunition system, limited by the man-machine interface preclude .9 confidence of a first round hit on a target smaller than 1 mil (1/1000th of the range or about 4 inches per 100 meters) once human factors are added.

Marlins are a bit more accurate. Properly fitted, using a scope, the 336 with handloads or the very best factory ammunition can sometimes shoot 2 minute groups, but not consistently, on demand. Their long run average is more like about 2.5 minutes using a hunting scope, firing handloads or the best factory ammo over the long haul. From a good field position, assuming no errors in range estimation, a perfect zero and no aiming error, a 2.5 minute mean dispersion, given normal shot-to-shot variations of chance mean that at best you may have 0.9 confidence of a first round hit on that 1 mil circle only out to no more than about 150 yards. Beyond that you cannot be certain of accurate shot placement on the vitals of a deer.

Using a receiver sight on your Winchester 94, when zeroed to strike 3-4 inches high at 100 yards, the point-blank range at which the rifle can be practically used on infantry-type targets is about 175 yards. A deer is smaller, so you would need to reduce the effective range by about 25%. Modern improved ammo may add a theoretical 25 yards by flattening trajectory and improving retained energy, but the accuracy limitations of the weapon and sighting system remain.

The use of improved newer ammo only minimizes the effects of errors in range estimation to give you a little fudge factor. Its bit flatter trajectory improves your ability to hit when you have pushed the envelope a bit, but it doesn't realistically extend your useable hunting range.

[Metronome]

...anyone know how much fun it is to crank out 10 shots of .44 Magnum out in 10 seconds?

'cause I do!

[TRUE GRIT]

I have always had a preference for the 35 Remington over the 30-30, but that is just from my Grandfather using the 35 Rem and bringing up my Dad and me on it. Any cartridge in a Winchester or Marlin Levergun is fun in my opinion.

[Ballbearing]

The .30-30 isn’t recommended today for larger game than deer, but Frank always said “it always worked just fine for anybody who could get close, shoot well and didn’t have his head all confused from reading crap in gun magazines!”.

No truer, nor funnier words, were ever spoken.

[chesterwin]

ke4sky. Thank you for posting this. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

[ke4sky]

Originally Posted by chesterwin

ke4sky. Thank you for posting this. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

I have one of the MCA chamber inserts which the guy in Alaska used to make. These enable use of .32 ACP ammo as sub-caliber small game rounds in any .30-30. I have another adapter bought recently from The Sportsman's Guide which does the same thing in the .303 British.

But the .308 and .30-'06 adapters I tried were oversized to chamber dimensions, and I stuck one in the chamber of my Remington 03A3. I got it out by sliding a narrow knife blade next to the extractor to keep it from popping off over the rim while I smacked the bolt open with a hammer, but if I has tried this in a rifle with tight chamber and plunger ejector it would have required a trip to the gunsmith to pull the barrel. Use these only in militaries and sporters with SLOPPY chambers~!t.

At 25 yards the .30-30 adapter with .32 ACP ammo is more accurate than a pistol, but tedious to extract, punch out the fired case, reload the adapter and manually load it into the chamber each time. With the sight elevator on the 94 Winchester pushed up as high as it would go, ordinary .32 ACP hardball shot approximately to point of aim at 50 feet and grouped about an inch and a half. The .303 British insert shot on at 25 yards with the battle sight set at 500 yards.

A reduced load with 115-gr. lead .32-20 bullet and 5 grs. of Bullseye pistol powder loaded into a .30-30 case is more accurate and makes more sense ifyou are carrying the .30-30 anyway. I had to try the adapter because I had heard about the Marbles adapters made before WWII and I was curious.

For more on the .32 ACP look at my latest in the Handgun section

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