looking for a long range gun

charles73 · 10-25-2009, 10:49 AM

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samuel · 10-25-2009, 12:57 PM

Thats the way to look at it Dms,do what fits your circumstances.I remember once I didn't have anything really but a family that kept me broke and working (shudder)and got ahold of a 7mm Mauser with (I think a 29 1/2" barrel,original.(whatever that was).I unloaded mil/spec brass and used my own powder and bullets and got it down to a 1 1/2" group at 300yds.It didn't cost much but I was busy and very proud of the outcome.Altho a good bolt rifle cost between $100.and $200. I couldn't afford it. ,,,sam.

dmsbandit · 10-25-2009, 02:02 PM

When you can buy a BRAND NEW Marlin for $300 chambered for numerous cartridges that are quite capable out to 500yds, I see little reason to bother with a Russian club.

338RUM · 10-25-2009, 09:35 PM

well we are glad for you and what you have, but there are some of us that like to blow money where the sun dont shine on our Russian clubs, so i guess you can call us commies for wasting American money. thank you from your commie friend 338RUM!

HEMI · 10-25-2009, 10:01 PM

Sam just because someone doesn't agree with you
don't give you the right to call names"Dumbas"
I too believe Mosins make better boat anchors than hunting or long range weapons.
Just my opinion. Go back to argueing with yourself in front of the mirror.

samuel · 10-26-2009, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HEMI

Sam just because someone doesn't agree with you
don't give you the right to call names"Dumbas"
I too believe Mosins make better boat anchors than hunting or long range weapons.
Just my opinion. Go back to argueing with yourself in front of the mirror.

You have a right to your opinion in both cases.I always thought that was what he was calling himself.I will go back and change it as I had never really looked at it. ,,,sam.,,,,,Well,after about three tries I think it's changed.I am really computer stupid.

HEMI · 10-26-2009, 06:35 AM

Honest mistake I guess Sam, sorry I thought you were name calling.
Its all good! By the way 90% of the time you post what I am thinking!
And for the record I like Mosins because they are a cheap way to get into
the sport, there are some really good rifles out there but most are very crude.
Like Dms said we have much better choices than a mosin for any situation
and for not much more money.

big shrek · 10-26-2009, 09:59 AM

$290 at almost any Walmart gets you a Marlin XL7 or XS7 from .30-06 caliber down to deer minimum .243

They even have Youth models

And when you read the reviews...you find that everyone is shocked that an inexpensive rifle can shoot sub-moa, has an adjustable trigger, recoil pad & all the other nifty extras on it

It's a whole new world of Rifles...Marlin's leading the way with the best deer rifle to come out in the last 50 years!!

R5CYA · 10-26-2009, 11:42 AM

i'll have to take a look at the new marlins. i need a modern rifle. can't keep swinging this 75 year old mosin club forever!
to be honest, it shoots 2" groups @100 and i'd really like to get a cheap rifle that shoots less than an inch if possible.
i'm just wondering how much of that 2" is my fault and not the rifle's? guess i won't know till i go modern.

hemi brought up a great point about the mosins being a great place to get started. $69.95 piece of history that makes a VERY loud bang and if you're lucky shoots as well as you do. after a while you get to wondering just how good you are and if the rifle is the limiting factor.

Bart B. · 11-01-2009, 12:38 PM

Do you guys know the Winchester 70 receiver is near three times stiffer than the Remington 700 one of the same length?

It's easy to measure one to see how much they bend with a given force at right angles to their bolt axis. Most folks are surprised at the difference; I sure was when I measured them. Harold Vaughn had some data on this in one of his books.

samuel · 11-01-2009, 01:10 PM

Am and will look through Rifle accuracy Facts by Harold Vaughn.Havn't found anything yet. ,,,sam.

samuel · 11-03-2009, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bart B.

Do you guys know the Winchester 70 receiver is near three times stiffer than the Remington 700 one of the same length?

It's easy to measure one to see how much they bend with a given force at right angles to their bolt axis. Most folks are surprised at the difference; I sure was when I measured them. Harold Vaughn had some data on this in one of his books.

The only articles I find on stiffer actions that say Win.may have an advantage are first,the controlled feed supports the cartridge better which is quickly contradicted by the full head support of a push feed,backed up by the fact that Winchester push feeds are more accurate than Winchester controlled feed.And #2,the fact that a claw extractor is more dependable than a small extractor in a push feed which is debunked by the fact that machineguns use push feed extractions and this would not be if there were an extraction problem with them.As to stiffness of action,I could only find one person,not an expert that had the opinion tne Win.action was stiffer.Virtually all others believed that it was a tossup between the two actions and one stated that you never saw Win.actions in the competition lineup.(I dissagree there,I have seen both but Rem.was more popular.)I love the Win.action.I believe it will handle more dirt and the controlled feed is a little smoother than a Rem.700 action.But the Rem. has the advantage of being about 1 1/2 lbs lighter in most setups.I am not getting into which is best or worst as you can put Win. M70 vs Rem. M700 on your search and go through a lot of facts and opinions/personal experience,and make your own decision,s. ,,,sam.

10-25-2009, 10:49 AM	#61
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10-25-2009, 12:57 PM	#62
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 12,457	Thats the way to look at it Dms,do what fits your circumstances.I remember once I didn't have anything really but a family that kept me broke and working (shudder)and got ahold of a 7mm Mauser with (I think a 29 1/2" barrel,original.(whatever that was).I unloaded mil/spec brass and used my own powder and bullets and got it down to a 1 1/2" group at 300yds.It didn't cost much but I was busy and very proud of the outcome.Altho a good bolt rifle cost between $100.and $200. I couldn't afford it. ,,,sam. Last edited by samuel; 10-26-2009 at 12:31 AM.

10-25-2009, 09:35 PM	#64
338RUM Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lonaconing, MD Posts: 1,388	well we are glad for you and what you have, but there are some of us that like to blow money where the sun dont shine on our Russian clubs, so i guess you can call us commies for wasting American money. thank you from your commie friend 338RUM! __________________ What doesn't kill me has made a HUGE tactical mistake!

10-26-2009, 09:59 AM	#68
big shrek Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northwest, FL Posts: 3,769	$290 at almost any Walmart gets you a Marlin XL7 or XS7 from .30-06 caliber down to deer minimum .243 They even have Youth models And when you read the reviews...you find that everyone is shocked that an inexpensive rifle can shoot sub-moa, has an adjustable trigger, recoil pad & all the other nifty extras on it It's a whole new world of Rifles...Marlin's leading the way with the best deer rifle to come out in the last 50 years!! __________________ Marlin Specialist, Calico Specialist

10-26-2009, 11:42 AM	#69
R5CYA Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Bruno, Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 2,736	i'll have to take a look at the new marlins. i need a modern rifle. can't keep swinging this 75 year old mosin club forever! to be honest, it shoots 2" groups @100 and i'd really like to get a cheap rifle that shoots less than an inch if possible. i'm just wondering how much of that 2" is my fault and not the rifle's? guess i won't know till i go modern. hemi brought up a great point about the mosins being a great place to get started. $69.95 piece of history that makes a VERY loud bang and if you're lucky shoots as well as you do. after a while you get to wondering just how good you are and if the rifle is the limiting factor. __________________ Badges? We got no badges! i aint gotta show you no stinking badges!

10-25-2009, 02:02 PM	#63
dmsbandit Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: upstate New York Posts: 656	When you can buy a BRAND NEW Marlin for $300 chambered for numerous cartridges that are quite capable out to 500yds, I see little reason to bother with a Russian club.

10-25-2009, 10:01 PM	#65
HEMI Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,185	Sam just because someone doesn't agree with you don't give you the right to call names"Dumbas" I too believe Mosins make better boat anchors than hunting or long range weapons. Just my opinion. Go back to argueing with yourself in front of the mirror.

10-26-2009, 06:35 AM	#67
HEMI Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 1,185	Honest mistake I guess Sam, sorry I thought you were name calling. Its all good! By the way 90% of the time you post what I am thinking! And for the record I like Mosins because they are a cheap way to get into the sport, there are some really good rifles out there but most are very crude. Like Dms said we have much better choices than a mosin for any situation and for not much more money.

11-01-2009, 12:38 PM	#70
Bart B. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 313	Do you guys know the Winchester 70 receiver is near three times stiffer than the Remington 700 one of the same length? It's easy to measure one to see how much they bend with a given force at right angles to their bolt axis. Most folks are surprised at the difference; I sure was when I measured them. Harold Vaughn had some data on this in one of his books. Last edited by Bart B.; 11-01-2009 at 10:57 PM.

11-01-2009, 01:10 PM	#71
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 12,457	Am and will look through Rifle accuracy Facts by Harold Vaughn.Havn't found anything yet. ,,,sam.