Poll on double rifles

[stinkybriches]

duga answer my question yo.

[Tack Driver]

reasons 4, 5, and 6

[G. Green]

I love the old doubles like I love WWII Garands or a Brown Bess musket, or a real Kentucky rifle. They're just too expensive for what you get. If I was going to spend that it would be on a custom bolt gun. BUT if a feller has a rifle and he loves it it would not bother me one bit to see him in the deer woods with a .600 NE. I often deer hunt with a Win 1886 .45/70, not cause it's the best gun I have for the job (though it'll do) but because i really like that rifle.

(Something just don't seem right about a double with a scope on it).

[Archetype_wyo]

Originally Posted by DUGABOY1

Hey Peter glad to see you here!
Pretty nice website, but it needs more traffic!

As a frequent poster to this site I will say that this site gets ALOT of traffic. I watched this site pretty regular for about a year before I signed on.

[peterdk]

i will go out on a limb here, and say that i think dugaboy meant a bit more expirenced traffic regarding this topic.

best regards

peter

[billy]

Originally Posted by peterdk

i will go out on a limb here, and say that i think dugaboy meant a bit more expirenced traffic regarding this topic.

best regards

peter

well
few of us are able or willing to fork over the money for a work of art like many of these firearms are.
so i am not suprised that there arent many responses by wealthy big game hunters.
for instance i just saw a bargain basement .470 NE rifle for the low low price of $9900
and before you say.
oh i am just a regular joe.
10,000 bucks is a LOT of money.

[peterdk]

billy

10.000,-$ is a heck of a lot of money to me as well, but i also agree with dugaboy, it lies also with the way you look at what you value in your life.
im so luckey now that i can make them myself and that is my day job. but i got my first few doubles before i could do them myself, and they were old clunkers that i bought and worked with until i got them to shoot.
in denmark i have a season that is close to 7 months a year where i can shoot deer in one form or another, so my rifles are used and abused a lot, they are by no means safe queens.

i have seen quite a few shotgun conversions, some better, some not worthy of mentioning, but they got people started and prices were as low as 700-800$ and upwards, double rifles are in all price brackets, but you get what you pay for especially in the double rifle world.

best regards

peter

[moosemike]

I know they don't make it but I think I could have some fun with a double in either 30-40 Krag or .303 British. Only problem is even if they did make it I couldn't afford it.

[DUGABOY1]

Originally Posted by stinkybriches

duga answer my question yo.

They seem to be fairly accurate! The draw back is the very long trigger pull, I'm told. The little rifle has a feature to regulate the rifle for your load.

In case you get one of these let me offer you a short piece of regutating advice.

The iron sights are tied to the left barrel, and the jack screw moves the right barrel to, or from the left barrel along the windage line (Horrizon). What you want to do is, shoot the rifle with your load for a tree shot group from each barrel at two different targets side by side. When you get a load the prints a good individual grop from both barrels,"THEN, AND ONLY THEN" do you touch the jack screw to adjust the regulation!

If the two groups are shooting apart, you move the right barrel toward the left barrel, and only about a click or two at a time, shooting the rifle now on one target for each adjustment, till the barrels are shooting side by side. What you want is the center of each barrels individual group on it's own side of the aiming point,with the left edge of the right barrels group spilling over into the left barrels group, and the left barrel's group spilling over into the right barrel's group. The barrels are not supposed to both hit one hole, but shoot side by side.

A double rifle depends on the recoil arch to regulate properly, and was designed to be shot from cool barrels, off hand, with the rifle touching nothing but the shooters face, hands,and shoulder. DO NOT, rest the rifle dirrectly on the sand bag. and do not support the butt stock with anything. The reason the rifle should be fired from cool barrels is because it is designed as a hunting rifle and to fire the first shot form a cool barrel set, with the next shot fired within 8 seconds to maintain perfect regulation.

The link below is a guy who just bought himself one of these rifles. He did some things wrong, but he will learn. You on the other hand are advized up front! Good luck, and let me know when you get one of these little double rifles!


First range trip with the SPR22 30-06 - Topic Powered by Eve Community

[DUGABOY1]

Originally Posted by moosemike

I know they don't make it but I think I could have some fun with a double in either 30-40 Krag or .303 British. Only problem is even if they did make it I couldn't afford it.

Moose that is exactly what I will do with one chambered for 30-06! I will promtly remomve the 30-06 barrels and turn a new set of .30 cal 1 in 10 twist barrels down to match the ones I remove. chamber them for 30-40 K or 303 Britt, and maybe even 30-30 Win, and reguulate them for 170 gr bullets!

I think this would make a fine pick-up, or canoe gun that you didn;t have to worry about all that much in weather, or being lost in a capsize of the canoe! Easily replaced!
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[Purdy]

Originally Posted by peterdk

i will go out on a limb here, and say that i think dugaboy meant a bit more expirenced traffic regarding this topic.

best regards

peter

Or maybe he meant a bit more experienced, period?

[DUGABOY1]

Originally Posted by Purdy

Or maybe he meant a bit more experienced, period?

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Well when everyone desides what I meant, would someone please let me know what it was?

Actually Peter is correct. There are deer hunting websites at a dime a dozen, but most of the talk is limited to wal-mart stamped out specials or the Machinegun Kelly Wanta-BEs, with their AKs.

I find most of the websites are not not dedicated to anything else, and the population I'd say runs to about 15 to 20 yrs old. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with that everyone has to start out somewhere.

The part that puzzles me is the stuanch resistance to learning about other types for firearms as well. Sure the cost of a very well made bolt rifle may be $5K, and a well made field grade double rifle may set you back $7-$10K but the reason for that is they are not Wall Mart specials, and are not stamped out by a mindless machine.

I see no reason to not post and read posts about better rifles than you are generally used to, when no matter the cost of those up-grade rifles, it costs you absolutely nothing to learn about them. Hell you guys are not going to stay 20 yrs old all your lives, and who knows what may happen down the road. You read books, and articles about hunting dangerous game in Africa, while thinking "HELL, I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO HUNT AFRICA!" but that doesn't make you not enjoy the books, and articles.

It seems to me if you don't prepare to shoot higher, you will never shoot higher. Learning on these forums is free of charge, and there is one rule that applies to everyone who visits here, he is not required to participate in any forum he doesn't want to. With that in mind it seems to me there are a few here that have SOME interest in this thread's subject, even if it is only to be able to disagree with someone!

A dedicated DOUBLE RIFLE & COMBINATION GUN FORUM would, I believe , over time generate some thoughtfull interest in this subject. Once interested getting into the double rifle world, will be far easier, because you will have learned a lot of information you can get no place else, other than a double rifle forum where knowledgable people post.

If that is not wanted here, or you have no interest in the subject, and the old run-of-the-mill is all you want, then my advice is to simply not click it open, and post! The rest of the website is open to lots of discussion on subjects you seem to want to participate in!

For the person who said "BEFORE YOU SAY I'M JUST A REGULAR JOE" I'm sorry, but that is exactly what I am. I was born in a log ranch house in the 1930s, in the hight of the depression, and didn't even have indoor plumbing, or electricity till 1949. I went ot work at the age of 14 with my first job as a stock boy in a drygoods store, and from that to manual labor then to a heavy equipment opperator, till I went to work for a major airline in 1965 in aircarft mantainous as an aprentess, and retired in 1996. I have worked for wages all my life. I wanted a double rifle and I saved my money and bought one, I wanted to hunt in Alaska, and Africa, and I saved my money and hunted both. Kids, there are two kinds of people in the world, those who say I can't, and those who say I'll find a way.

Learning, especially when it is FREE, is valuable even if you never find a use for it!

I think gentlemen, I'll depart for now!

[Idaho Sharps]

A double rifle is about as necessary as a Mercedes, Lexus, vette, or jaguar XK-convertibe(a hem..) a nice diamond something for your wife, or central air in a home. Doubles cost a little to a lot more, the fine Chapuis in 9,3x74R is under $5K these days. I finally got to Africa last December to hunt Cape Buffalo. There's a reason PH's mostly carry doubles. I also made the trip back to StL for my 60th birthday last month and got to shoot a 700H&N NE and four-bore double rifles. Wow!!

When I get back to Africa I hope to have one for hunting DG, Dangerous Game. There ain't nuttin' like looking down the barrel at a Cape Buffalo bull to get the heart pumping 4-4 time.

I hope we can have a double rifle forum here, it's the reason I joined up. And, I don't own one, yet!

Rich

[FortyXDM]

Dugaboy, Very well said. Thank you. And please don't go to far. I have a fascination for doubles, both rifle and shotgun. I own an SKB 200E s/s 20 I wouldn't trade for anything. Would love to own and hunt with a s/s rifle in .30 caliber or so. Never too late.
Tom

And please keep posting about your Alaskan and African hunts. Many of us really enjoy them.

[DUGABOY1]

Guess who's hands these are, and what chambering the rifle is!

[Midas]

Originally Posted by DUGABOY1

Guess who's hands these are, and what chambering the rifle is!

I believe those are the hands of Elmer Keith, dropping a couple of .577 NE cartridges down the pipe.

[moosemike]

I don't know about the hands but I'm guessing .577 NE as well.

[AK Hunter]

Here is a Double Barrel gun that is accurate at short distance & long.
It is not chambered for cartridges that are too powerful for North American game.
This rifle is only useful for dangerous game, if you consider, squirrel, rabbit, ducks or any kind of bird, or coyote Dangerous Game.
Not to too expensive.
Any person that can own a rifle can own this double rifle.
Most folks in the USA do not understand how double rifles work!-- This one I agree with, but
Most people in the USA do not understand how any rifle works.


Gander Mountain® > Remington International 12 Ga/223 Over/Under/24 Barrel/4 Chokes/Double Trigger

[DUGABOY1]

Originally Posted by AK Hunter

Here is a Double Barrel gun that is accurate at short distance & long.
It is not chambered for cartridges that are too powerful for North American game.
This rifle is only useful for dangerous game, if you consider, squirrel, rabbit, ducks or any kind of bird, or coyote Dangerous Game.
Not to too expensive.
Any person that can own a rifle can own this double rifle.
Most folks in the USA do not understand how double rifles work!-- This one I agree with, but
Most people in the USA do not understand how any rifle works.


Gander Mountain® > Remington International 12 Ga/223 Over/Under/24 Barrel/4 Chokes/Double Trigger

Sorry AKhunter, but that is not a double rifle but a combination gun! There is a large difference between a combination gun and a double rifle.
You are correct, however, that most people in the USA don't understand how double rifle or any rifle works!

That little combo is made by Baikal, and they also make a side by side double rifle chambered for 30-06, or 45-70 for around $700. They are a little rough, but are workable with a little effort. Sabati also makes a pretty god entry level S/S double rifle in some good chamberings in the $3000.oo range that are well worth looking at!

EAA Model SAB92SF Double Rifles - Topic Powered by Eve Community

http://www.tradeexcanada.com/index.p...id=21&iid=5062

[DUGABOY1]

Originally Posted by Midas

I believe those are the hands of Elmer Keith, dropping a couple of .577 NE cartridges down the pipe.

congratulations! Both are correct E Keith, and 577NE 3"