Mil-dots or no...

Shootester · 11-01-2009, 12:45 AM

I'm having trouble deciding between these two scopes... well, it really is the same scope, but I can't decide to get it with the mil-dots or not. I either get it with the mil-dots, which I really like alot, for $99 before shipping, or I get just the plain ol' cross hairs with a free 20x50 fixed spotting scope for $89 before shipping. I really like the mil-dots, but I could also use the spotting scope! I can't decide, so I want all of your opinions. I will be using the scope on what will probably be a savage mkII .22lr for practice for longer ranges, so I will be shooting this set up out to 300-400 yds eventually. Thanks for any input!

Edit: I almost forgot! The scope is Bushnell Trophy.

Dragunov · 11-01-2009, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Shootester

I'm having trouble deciding between these two scopes... well, it really is the same scope, but I can't decide to get it with the mil-dots or not. I either get it with the mil-dots, which I really like alot, for $99 before shipping, or I get just the plain ol' cross hairs with a free 20x50 fixed spotting scope for $89 before shipping. I really like the mil-dots, but I could also use the spotting scope! I can't decide, so I want all of your opinions. I will be using the scope on what will probably be a savage mkII .22lr for practice for longer ranges, so I will be shooting this set up out to 300-400 yds eventually. Thanks for any input!

Edit: I almost forgot! The scope is Bushnell Trophy.

Mil-dots do you no good unless you know the math that goes along with it.

samuel · 11-01-2009, 01:36 AM

If you get that .22lr to hit anything at 300/400yds please give me some lessons.My advice would be get a decent 3X9X40 scope for about $30. on up and get proficient at 50 to 100yds.I doubt that mil-dots will be much benefit with a .22lr.A spotting scope may be nice.If you save a little on the scope and buy more ammo it will help the most. ,,,sam.

Whootsinator · 11-01-2009, 01:54 AM

300-400 yards with .22lr? You must have some ridiculous handloading going on... Proprietary bullets, what's the trick?

For a .22lr, forget Mil-Dot reticles. If you want to shoot at 100 yards with .22lr, it all depends on which level of magnification you want to SHOOT at. Most El-Cheapo 3x-9x scopes I've encountered are clear as day at 3x, but go to 9x and you're looking through a black storm cloud. So, if you want high magnification, don't go El-Cheapo.

I hunt with a damned Cheapo Simmons 3-9x36 on my .30-06. It holds up from the recoil fine, but at 9x it's only good for spotting far away movement.

Edit - There's also two more appropriate forums for this. .22/Rimfire AND the Optics forum are both good choices.

Mooseman684 · 11-01-2009, 02:05 AM

300-400 Yards with a .22LR ??? You will need some angle in your mount to give you enough elevation on a cheap scope to shoot that far.15 degrees maybe...Mil-dots are for range finding when you know the size of the target as in 3 ft or 6ft...

danf6975 · 11-01-2009, 08:03 AM

do you know how to use mil dots or are you just wanting it because you like the way it looks?
i dont think its going to help much at such short range since you wont need the worm formula ( i dont think a .22LR is really capable of firing at ranges far enough to need it)

Shootester · 11-01-2009, 10:46 AM

I don't really NEED the mil-dots, but if I use the gun for hunting I could use 'em to help figure the distance of the animal, as well as size of said animal. As far as knowing how to use em. I do know how to, somewhat. I would need a little practice with it, but I think it would be fun trying to learn what I don't already know. Some of you guys seem really surprised as to what I'm trying to do. Like I'm trying to shoot the moon with it or something, or go out right away and first shot hit a target at 300 yds. I will start small, and work my way out there. I will probably have to upgrade the gun a bit to do it, but I think I should be able to get to atleast 200yds before I need to really do to much to the gun. Thanks for all the input from you guys, and here is an interesting read if you haven't already seen it. Lethality of the 22LR- Results! - Sniper's Hide Forums If you read the article than you see 300 yds IS possible with the .22lr. It just takes some practice.

Shootester · 11-01-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Whootsinator

300-400 yards with .22lr? You must have some ridiculous handloading going on... Proprietary bullets, what's the trick?

For a .22lr, forget Mil-Dot reticles. If you want to shoot at 100 yards with .22lr, it all depends on which level of magnification you want to SHOOT at. Most El-Cheapo 3x-9x scopes I've encountered are clear as day at 3x, but go to 9x and you're looking through a black storm cloud. So, if you want high magnification, don't go El-Cheapo.

I hunt with a damned Cheapo Simmons 3-9x36 on my .30-06. It holds up from the recoil fine, but at 9x it's only good for spotting far away movement.

Edit - There's also two more appropriate forums for this. .22/Rimfire AND the Optics forum are both good choices.

I know how it goes about putting money into a good scope, but I heard about this scope reading through material for something else I was looking up. The guy said that it was just as clear as his other $500 scopes. From the reviews I've read no one has had anything bad to say. I decided to go look through it for myself. Found out my local Gander Mtn has em. I hav to say that it was REALY clear, even scoped in all the way. These scopes, from what I can tell, can't be beat for the money.

Edit: I wasn't thinking of where I was placing this. Shows me for starting a thread late at night! But I didn't even realise there WAS a place for optics!

samuel · 11-01-2009, 11:43 AM

I guess you have all the knowledge you need.Have fun. ,,,sam.

SwedeSteve · 11-01-2009, 04:17 PM

It sounds to me like you are trying to convince yourself to put a cheap scope on, imho.

danf6975 · 11-01-2009, 06:16 PM

mil dots are for use with objects of a known dimension or one that is very close to a standard that does not fluctuate much . for the purposes of hunting you would already have to have a good eye for estimation just to know the animals dimensions.

billy · 11-03-2009, 06:08 AM

c'mon fellas
dont be like dat
the bullet drop @400 yds. is only around 20 feet....

deadzero · 11-03-2009, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by billy

c'mon fellas
dont be like dat
the bullet drop @400 yds. is only around 20 feet....

and that might be fairly consistant in a vacuum. air can be such a PIA.

rifleman14 · 11-03-2009, 07:58 AM

ive gotten my marlin 925R 22LR to hit a one foot by one and a half foot steel target at 400 yards. to get there though, my elevation knob ran out of click and i had to hold over to where i could barely see the target, and the bullet had so little energy that it just hit the target and bounced off a few inches in front of it. the time of flight was about 4 seconds or so which is a very long time when you think about it. accuracy doesnt excist at that range though. aiming at the same spot every time(the leaf on that tree from the holdover), i was able to hit the target about 5 or 6 times out of 25 or 30 rounds. which is fine with me because now i can say that i hit a target at 400 yards with my 22!

deserthobbies · 11-03-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Shootester

I don't really NEED the mil-dots, but if I use the gun for hunting I could use 'em to help figure the distance of the animal, as well as size of said animal. As far as knowing how to use em. I do know how to, somewhat. I would need a little practice with it, but I think it would be fun trying to learn what I don't already know. Some of you guys seem really surprised as to what I'm trying to do. Like I'm trying to shoot the moon with it or something, or go out right away and first shot hit a target at 300 yds. I will start small, and work my way out there. I will probably have to upgrade the gun a bit to do it, but I think I should be able to get to atleast 200yds before I need to really do to much to the gun. Thanks for all the input from you guys, and here is an interesting read if you haven't already seen it. Lethality of the 22LR- Results! - Sniper's Hide Forums If you read the article than you see 300 yds IS possible with the .22lr. It just takes some practice.

great article Shootester, I never would have thought it was possible out of a 22lr,

Kaybe · 11-03-2009, 11:01 AM

Forget the Mil-dot scope. Unless your a sniper and need to estimate range, get the other scope and the spotting scope as well. Be practical with your money. Just my opinion

dog party · 11-03-2009, 01:44 PM

I'd go with the cross-hairs and the free spotting scope.

Da Mc · 11-05-2009, 02:15 AM

3 to 400 yds. for a .22 bullet is kinda pushing it to the limit. But mill dots for a .22 is pretty useful because you will find quite a bit of variance between shooting at 50 yds. vs. a hundred or two hundred. Take the gun to the range and get familiar with your mill dots for hold over or under. Once you find out where it shoots you can be fairly accurate with the weapon. You will find that a laser rangefinder will be a must for this application. Good luck.

11-01-2009, 12:45 AM	#1
Shootester Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 465	Mil-dots or no... I'm having trouble deciding between these two scopes... well, it really is the same scope, but I can't decide to get it with the mil-dots or not. I either get it with the mil-dots, which I really like alot, for $99 before shipping, or I get just the plain ol' cross hairs with a free 20x50 fixed spotting scope for $89 before shipping. I really like the mil-dots, but I could also use the spotting scope! I can't decide, so I want all of your opinions. I will be using the scope on what will probably be a savage mkII .22lr for practice for longer ranges, so I will be shooting this set up out to 300-400 yds eventually. Thanks for any input! Edit: I almost forgot! The scope is Bushnell Trophy. Last edited by Shootester; 11-01-2009 at 12:48 AM.

11-01-2009, 02:05 AM	#5
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 11,318 Images: 2	300-400 Yards with a .22LR ??? You will need some angle in your mount to give you enough elevation on a cheap scope to shoot that far.15 degrees maybe...Mil-dots are for range finding when you know the size of the target as in 3 ft or 6ft... __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

11-01-2009, 04:17 PM	#10
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 23,576 Images: 1	It sounds to me like you are trying to convince yourself to put a cheap scope on, imho. __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

11-03-2009, 06:08 AM	#12
billy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 19,731 Images: 10 Blog Entries: 161	c'mon fellas dont be like dat the bullet drop @400 yds. is only around 20 feet.... __________________

11-03-2009, 11:01 AM	#16
Kaybe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northcentral Ohio Posts: 641	Forget the Mil-dot scope. Unless your a sniper and need to estimate range, get the other scope and the spotting scope as well. Be practical with your money. Just my opinion __________________ Some people are alive simply because it is illegal to kill them.

11-01-2009, 01:36 AM	#3
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,918	If you get that .22lr to hit anything at 300/400yds please give me some lessons.My advice would be get a decent 3X9X40 scope for about $30. on up and get proficient at 50 to 100yds.I doubt that mil-dots will be much benefit with a .22lr.A spotting scope may be nice.If you save a little on the scope and buy more ammo it will help the most. ,,,sam.

11-01-2009, 01:54 AM	#4
Whootsinator Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 582	300-400 yards with .22lr? You must have some ridiculous handloading going on... Proprietary bullets, what's the trick? For a .22lr, forget Mil-Dot reticles. If you want to shoot at 100 yards with .22lr, it all depends on which level of magnification you want to SHOOT at. Most El-Cheapo 3x-9x scopes I've encountered are clear as day at 3x, but go to 9x and you're looking through a black storm cloud. So, if you want high magnification, don't go El-Cheapo. I hunt with a damned Cheapo Simmons 3-9x36 on my .30-06. It holds up from the recoil fine, but at 9x it's only good for spotting far away movement. Edit - There's also two more appropriate forums for this. .22/Rimfire AND the Optics forum are both good choices.

11-01-2009, 08:03 AM	#6
danf6975 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 257	do you know how to use mil dots or are you just wanting it because you like the way it looks? i dont think its going to help much at such short range since you wont need the worm formula ( i dont think a .22LR is really capable of firing at ranges far enough to need it)

11-01-2009, 10:46 AM	#7
Shootester Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 465	I don't really NEED the mil-dots, but if I use the gun for hunting I could use 'em to help figure the distance of the animal, as well as size of said animal. As far as knowing how to use em. I do know how to, somewhat. I would need a little practice with it, but I think it would be fun trying to learn what I don't already know. Some of you guys seem really surprised as to what I'm trying to do. Like I'm trying to shoot the moon with it or something, or go out right away and first shot hit a target at 300 yds. I will start small, and work my way out there. I will probably have to upgrade the gun a bit to do it, but I think I should be able to get to atleast 200yds before I need to really do to much to the gun. Thanks for all the input from you guys, and here is an interesting read if you haven't already seen it. Lethality of the 22LR- Results! - Sniper's Hide Forums If you read the article than you see 300 yds IS possible with the .22lr. It just takes some practice.

11-01-2009, 11:43 AM	#9
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,918	I guess you have all the knowledge you need.Have fun. ,,,sam.

11-01-2009, 06:16 PM	#11
danf6975 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 257	mil dots are for use with objects of a known dimension or one that is very close to a standard that does not fluctuate much . for the purposes of hunting you would already have to have a good eye for estimation just to know the animals dimensions.

11-03-2009, 07:58 AM	#14
rifleman14 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 436	ive gotten my marlin 925R 22LR to hit a one foot by one and a half foot steel target at 400 yards. to get there though, my elevation knob ran out of click and i had to hold over to where i could barely see the target, and the bullet had so little energy that it just hit the target and bounced off a few inches in front of it. the time of flight was about 4 seconds or so which is a very long time when you think about it. accuracy doesnt excist at that range though. aiming at the same spot every time(the leaf on that tree from the holdover), i was able to hit the target about 5 or 6 times out of 25 or 30 rounds. which is fine with me because now i can say that i hit a target at 400 yards with my 22!

11-03-2009, 01:44 PM	#17
dog party Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 275	I'd go with the cross-hairs and the free spotting scope.

11-05-2009, 02:15 AM	#18
Da Mc Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Riverside Cal. Posts: 73	3 to 400 yds. for a .22 bullet is kinda pushing it to the limit. But mill dots for a .22 is pretty useful because you will find quite a bit of variance between shooting at 50 yds. vs. a hundred or two hundred. Take the gun to the range and get familiar with your mill dots for hold over or under. Once you find out where it shoots you can be fairly accurate with the weapon. You will find that a laser rangefinder will be a must for this application. Good luck.