Sky high prices, something like precious

mehranbiz · 11-05-2009, 01:36 PM

Pakistan is a heavy populated country and the Gun culture is growing day by day as prestige, sports and security reasons, I am trying to get answer about the sky high prices of all USA and European brands guns, These guns are too expensive in Pakistan, and only few people can buy these guns, Mostly people afford to buy Local made fake/clone guns or Chinese guns, Turkish handguns are also very famous due to medium high prices, But the prices of American and European brands are totally out of range for a common person. A common person can see the pictures of famous guns only on internet or can buy in our dreams.
Maybe the reason is the US and European companies are not interested to sell our products or another reason seems to be the weak marketing of those manufacturers, Maybe they have appointment those dealers that are selling these brands on high premium/profit or maybe due to the monopoly sky high prices are the reason, Due to unbelievable high prices people prefers to buy fake/clone products, The simple example is the retail prices of Glock 17, Berretta, H&K, Sig and other American European brand handguns, Their prices are around US$ 3000 but Chinese and Turkish brand handguns available around US$ 500,, They welcome to all enquiries and export to all exporters who want to import without the monopoly of any agent. Due to easy availability of the Chinese and Turkish stuff the sale of 90% foreign made handguns are Chinese and Turkish.

The retail prices of Riffles are as follows in Pakistan
BushMaster X 15 U.S.A............... US$ 5000
M4 Carbine................................US$ 7500
M17 BushMaster (Australia).......,,US$ 7500
M4A1 (Full Auto / U.S.A)……………..US$ 9000
Styer AUG A1 (Austria)...............US$ 10.800
SIG 552 C (Switzerland...............US$ 12.000
HK G36 (Germany).....................US$ 18.000

I need some answers that why these guns are so expensive, is it in favor of US and European gun manufacturers? Or due to price monopoly they are loosing our business? I hope some company or member will explain the reason

SwedeSteve · 11-05-2009, 01:47 PM

It may be due to import taxes applied on your end, or a huge mark up by your distributors. I cannot think of any answer other than that. Also, some of the US Manufacturers will not ship outside of the US.

mehranbiz · 11-05-2009, 02:00 PM

The total taxes applied on importing arms are 80%, Same as on Chinese and for all other brands

jrswanson1 · 11-05-2009, 08:05 PM

Wow, most of those guns are 10x more expensive there than here. That's quite a markup for them. I'm sure someone somewhere is pocketing a lot of cash and taking advantage of your situation.

Jim

dmsbandit · 11-06-2009, 12:15 PM

American and European gun makers also don't work for $1/day either. WHen figure in labor and benifit costs, taxes that have to be paid to the US Government for every gun made, shipping cost, insurance cost on the shippments, taxes imposed by the country recieving the guns, distributor costs and mark-ups, currency exchange rates [the Dollar is worth less and less every day thanks to Obama], and things can get very expensive.

The problem you have there is not uncommon in other parts of the world too. Guns that cost a few hundred dollars here in the USA, cost close to $1000 in other parts of the world. I've heard similar prices in European countries and in Australia too. A $300 gun here in the States goes for double that amount in Australia. We often pay $1000-2000 dollars for AR style guns here in the States, and none of those are fully automatic.

big shrek · 11-06-2009, 01:54 PM

Prices like that make one wanna become a "Lord of War"

Nick Cage did a great job in that movie

Pronsias · 11-06-2009, 02:53 PM

$9,000 for a FA M4? That one is cheap by US standards.

big boomer · 11-06-2009, 03:21 PM

some of those on the list are full auto and cost big bucks here also. the others may be supply and demand.

cr107 · 11-07-2009, 08:03 PM

its like buying a us made laptop in germany. it cost about $500+ than it would here.

mehranbiz · 11-14-2009, 02:08 PM

The total of all taxes from import to retail are 80% on fire arms, I know the American and European gun makers also don't work for $1/day, No gun makers is working at $1/day in the world, Its only a difference between the style of business, American European companies expences more on adminitration, advertsiement and on other sides instead of engineering side,
On the other side Chinese are smoothly selling our goods dealer to dealer (door to door)and solve the need of majority of poeple, They are manufacturing in Bulk and due to mass production of thier products their prices become cheaper most & competative, The population of world is growing up day by day, demand is going higher then every previous day, The world economies are going to change its the time to work hard, produce mass production to reduce cost and to sell our products in whole world, Americans and Europeans companies are only marketing to some rich countries or for rich poeple
I think in the future all the Americans and Europeans companies should go Bankrupt due to low selling and high costs. China will capture the world markets of more than 6 billion poeple,

DUGABOY1 · 11-14-2009, 10:43 PM

Has anyone bothered to find out if there is an embargo on arms being exported to Pakistan from either the USA, or the UK? I wouldn't doubt that is the case, and if it is, any arms made in either of those places would have to exported to another country, and then re-exported to Pakistan. That would raise the prices considerably.

ALquadahunter · 11-24-2009, 07:40 PM

Not to be an ass but maybe you could get a load of used AK's and do a swap for what you really want?

Mooseman684 · 11-24-2009, 08:10 PM

Those are Great deals on Full auto Guns , compared to F/A guns in the USA !

11-05-2009, 01:36 PM	#1
mehranbiz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Karachi, Pakistan Posts: 3	Sky high prices, something like precious Pakistan is a heavy populated country and the Gun culture is growing day by day as prestige, sports and security reasons, I am trying to get answer about the sky high prices of all USA and European brands guns, These guns are too expensive in Pakistan, and only few people can buy these guns, Mostly people afford to buy Local made fake/clone guns or Chinese guns, Turkish handguns are also very famous due to medium high prices, But the prices of American and European brands are totally out of range for a common person. A common person can see the pictures of famous guns only on internet or can buy in our dreams. Maybe the reason is the US and European companies are not interested to sell our products or another reason seems to be the weak marketing of those manufacturers, Maybe they have appointment those dealers that are selling these brands on high premium/profit or maybe due to the monopoly sky high prices are the reason, Due to unbelievable high prices people prefers to buy fake/clone products, The simple example is the retail prices of Glock 17, Berretta, H&K, Sig and other American European brand handguns, Their prices are around US$ 3000 but Chinese and Turkish brand handguns available around US$ 500,, They welcome to all enquiries and export to all exporters who want to import without the monopoly of any agent. Due to easy availability of the Chinese and Turkish stuff the sale of 90% foreign made handguns are Chinese and Turkish. The retail prices of Riffles are as follows in Pakistan BushMaster X 15 U.S.A............... US$ 5000 M4 Carbine................................US$ 7500 M17 BushMaster (Australia).......,,US$ 7500 M4A1 (Full Auto / U.S.A)……………..US$ 9000 Styer AUG A1 (Austria)...............US$ 10.800 SIG 552 C (Switzerland...............US$ 12.000 HK G36 (Germany).....................US$ 18.000 I need some answers that why these guns are so expensive, is it in favor of US and European gun manufacturers? Or due to price monopoly they are loosing our business? I hope some company or member will explain the reason

11-05-2009, 01:47 PM	#2
SwedeSteve Suspected Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Anchortown, Alaska Posts: 25,529	It may be due to import taxes applied on your end, or a huge mark up by your distributors. I cannot think of any answer other than that. Also, some of the US Manufacturers will not ship outside of the US. __________________ In the absence of orders, ATTACK !!

11-06-2009, 01:54 PM	#6
big shrek Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northwest, FL Posts: 3,567	Prices like that make one wanna become a "Lord of War" Nick Cage did a great job in that movie __________________ Marlin Specialist, Calico Specialist

11-07-2009, 08:03 PM	#9
cr107 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Loganville, Ga Posts: 968	its like buying a us made laptop in germany. it cost about $500+ than it would here. __________________ 'Justice is a short rope with a long fall" Future Solider

11-14-2009, 10:43 PM	#11
DUGABOY1 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 103	Has anyone bothered to find out if there is an embargo on arms being exported to Pakistan from either the USA, or the UK? I wouldn't doubt that is the case, and if it is, any arms made in either of those places would have to exported to another country, and then re-exported to Pakistan. That would raise the prices considerably. __________________ ,,,,,,,,,Mac >>>===(x)===> Double rifles rule, all others just burn powder

11-05-2009, 02:00 PM	#3
mehranbiz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Karachi, Pakistan Posts: 3	The total taxes applied on importing arms are 80%, Same as on Chinese and for all other brands

11-05-2009, 08:05 PM	#4
jrswanson1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,175	Wow, most of those guns are 10x more expensive there than here. That's quite a markup for them. I'm sure someone somewhere is pocketing a lot of cash and taking advantage of your situation. Jim

11-06-2009, 12:15 PM	#5
dmsbandit Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: upstate New York Posts: 626	American and European gun makers also don't work for $1/day either. WHen figure in labor and benifit costs, taxes that have to be paid to the US Government for every gun made, shipping cost, insurance cost on the shippments, taxes imposed by the country recieving the guns, distributor costs and mark-ups, currency exchange rates [the Dollar is worth less and less every day thanks to Obama], and things can get very expensive. The problem you have there is not uncommon in other parts of the world too. Guns that cost a few hundred dollars here in the USA, cost close to $1000 in other parts of the world. I've heard similar prices in European countries and in Australia too. A $300 gun here in the States goes for double that amount in Australia. We often pay $1000-2000 dollars for AR style guns here in the States, and none of those are fully automatic.

11-06-2009, 02:53 PM	#7
Pronsias Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NV Posts: 157	$9,000 for a FA M4? That one is cheap by US standards.

11-06-2009, 03:21 PM	#8
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 2,540	some of those on the list are full auto and cost big bucks here also. the others may be supply and demand.

11-14-2009, 02:08 PM	#10
mehranbiz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Karachi, Pakistan Posts: 3	The total of all taxes from import to retail are 80% on fire arms, I know the American and European gun makers also don't work for $1/day, No gun makers is working at $1/day in the world, Its only a difference between the style of business, American European companies expences more on adminitration, advertsiement and on other sides instead of engineering side, On the other side Chinese are smoothly selling our goods dealer to dealer (door to door)and solve the need of majority of poeple, They are manufacturing in Bulk and due to mass production of thier products their prices become cheaper most & competative, The population of world is growing up day by day, demand is going higher then every previous day, The world economies are going to change its the time to work hard, produce mass production to reduce cost and to sell our products in whole world, Americans and Europeans companies are only marketing to some rich countries or for rich poeple I think in the future all the Americans and Europeans companies should go Bankrupt due to low selling and high costs. China will capture the world markets of more than 6 billion poeple,

11-24-2009, 07:40 PM	#12
ALquadahunter Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 39	Not to be an ass but maybe you could get a load of used AK's and do a swap for what you really want?

11-24-2009, 08:10 PM	#13
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 12,445	Those are Great deals on Full auto Guns , compared to F/A guns in the USA ! __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!