[SuckLead]

The shop sold the 17 we got the new RSA for, and the customer's a regular. Haven't heard any news on it yet. But as they say, no news is good news.

[Zevon]

OK - gotta admit - I have just forced myself to get used to hot copper flying in my face with rented G17, G19 and G26... FWIW

[big shrek]

Quote:       Originally Posted by SuckLead

JT185, if there are no markings, it isn't upgraded. The markings on the upgrades are very clear to see, so I would say it is not. My experience in the shop (I'm a certified Glock armorer, so any burp a Glock makes in town I see it) has been with the 9MM Gen4s with the exception of the 26. I've not gotten a single 40 back. So I assume the issue is fairly localized but they're doing it across the map to head off any issue. Or to not admit they got lazy.

I think its more of a "Ok, we got a problem, how do we fix it?"
then 6 months of trying to figure out the best fix...
then issueing a recall so they can show that they do want to resolve the issue.
Heck, cars go thru recalls all the time...Its almost shocking how many cars have been recalled, for minor and major stuff.
Chances are high the car/truck y'all are driving right now has at least one recall.
Pays to search for recalls every few months...for everything you own of importance.

[Zevon]

I have been to two ranges renting 3 models. Have put lots of ammo thru several rented G17's. Suffice it to say that folks are trying to cover up how awful these Gen4's are. Virtually every mag jams once.

A car without breaks should be pulled off the road. These Gen4 lemons should be banned.

I WANT to TRUST Glock to not mess up again. We need a total recall and TOTAL INTEGRITY from Glock going forward.

I WANT to buy a New Gen3 G17. I NEED to know my new Glock was manufactured before this nonsense started. I need legendarily reliability from retail 'shelf' to grave. No one needs to doubt integrity of their weapon. Recalls and warrantees don't cut it.

Finally to my question; who should I be buying my new Gen3 G17 from?

Or

Should I be trusting another brand?

Thanks!

Quote:       Originally Posted by Zevon

OK - gotta admit - I have just forced myself to get used to hot copper flying in my face with rented G17, G19 and G26... FWIW

[texnmidwest]

Key operative there is RENTED. Rental guns are not always treated well and they are not always in the best of shape. The range guns I have rented if I were judging the pistol by those guns I would never have bought them! Weak worn out springs can cause ejection problems. Glock recommends changing the springs every 5 to 10 thousand rounds. This is done by Glock free of charge!

As for brands....there are a LOT of good brands out there. Although I prefer GLocks because they fit me and shoot well for me, I can also say the same for my Browning High Power, Walther PP, and Smith and Wesson 22a.

[BigEd63]

A Gen 3 Glock is a Gen 3 Glock, it has zip diddley to do with a Gen 4. Except yes they are both made by Glock.

The biggest issue with the Gen4 is the (Messed with Perfection IMHO.) recoil spring assembly that's supposed to buffer the felt recoil better.

Yeah I guess a jammed pistol has less recoil!

However a "reengineered"? or "properly made"? replacement is what the so called recall is all about.


BTW- Those here ought to know I'm not a Glock basher as I own and shoot 5 glocks in 9mm. A Glock 19 and 26 are my go to pistols for most uses.
I just wish they had done a bit more testing before releasing the Gen 4 series onto the market.

I've kinda been eyeing the new Gen 4 Glock 21 in .45ACP but I have no desire to be a "Beta Tester" for it.

[Zevon]

Re: 'A Gen 3 Glock is a Gen 3 Glock, it has zip diddley to do with a Gen 4.'

Thank you for that reassurance - and thank God Glock still has factory new unmodified Gen3's for sale! (Amen to not wanting to be a 'beta tester'!)

I guess I will beg for that reassurance one last time...
Suggestions on insuring my new G19 Gen3 is unmodified (not even by counterfiet parts china snuck onto the market?)

** Real Question: What on-line dealer(s) should I trust?

Thanks!

[Silver Bullet]

Wow! This is an older thread; and, usually, I'd skip it; but this is actually an historic event. Does anybody realize that this is the very first product recall ever officially issued to the general American public by Glock, GmbH.

Awesome! (Never thought I'd see the day! Glock must really be having problems with their new 4th generation pistols.)

[big shrek]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

Wow! This is an older thread; and, usually, I'd skip it; but this is actually an historic event. Does anybody realize that this is the very first product recall ever officially issued to the general American public by Glock, GmbH. Awesome! (Never thought I'd see the day! Glock must really be having problems with their new 4th generation pistols.)

Heck, put Gun Recall into google...see Ruger pop up a LOT
Along with Colt & some others you wouldn't expect to see there.

Thing is, EVERY company makes a few screwups. That's WHY they have recalls...to fix a problem that was found AFTER Beta testing by consumers.
Which is where about 10% of issues are found with good companies...more with questionable quality ones.

[XIDshooter]

So...I shouldn't have bought that new G19 today?.....

[SuckLead]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Zevon

Re: 'A Gen 3 Glock is a Gen 3 Glock, it has zip diddley to do with a Gen 4.' Thank you for that reassurance - and thank God Glock still has factory new unmodified Gen3's for sale! (Amen to not wanting to be a 'beta tester'!) I guess I will beg for that reassurance one last time... Suggestions on insuring my new G19 Gen3 is unmodified (not even by counterfiet parts china snuck onto the market?) ** Real Question: What on-line dealer(s) should I trust? Thanks!

You could always buy from the shop I work at!

[Zevon]

Quote:       Originally Posted by SuckLead

You could always buy from the shop I work at!

If you got flawless gen 3's?

DEAL! Just PM me with info!

I NEED a side arm I can TRUST.
Need Reflex site and laser.

Open to other brand suggestions as well! Thanks!

[Silver Bullet]

Quote:       Originally Posted by big shrek

Heck, put Gun Recall into google...see Ruger pop up a LOT Along with Colt & some others you wouldn't expect to see there. Thing is, EVERY company makes a few screwups. That's WHY they have recalls...to fix a problem that was found AFTER Beta testing by consumers. Which is where about 10% of issues are found with good companies...more with questionable quality ones.

That's not the point! Until very recently Glock, GmbH/Inc. NEVER had a recall. The admissions that the Glock Company has made with the Gen4 models are a real first for THIS company. Besides it's unethical to use American consumers as Beta Testers. What would happen if Ford or General Motors did stuff like that? Glock, GmbH does this to its customers ALL OF THE TIME.

One other thing: Recently manufactured third generation Glock Model 19's DO HAVE A PROBLEM with the new, 'dip' extractors. I ought 'a know; I've fixed them; and there are NUMEROUS THREADS on Glock Talk about this very subject.

[big shrek]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

That's not the point! Until very recently Glock, GmbH/Inc. NEVER had a recall. The admissions that the Glock Company has made with the Gen4 models are a real first for THIS company. Besides it's unethical to use American consumers as Beta Testers. What would happen if Ford or General Motors did stuff like that? Glock, GmbH does this to its customers ALL OF THE TIME. One other thing: Recently manufactured third generation Glock Model 19's DO HAVE A PROBLEM with the new, 'dip' extractors. I ought 'a know; I've fixed them; and there are NUMEROUS THREADS on Glock Talk about this very subject.

If you've noticed, the American Consumer has always been a Beta tester...and Ford & GM do it ALL the time...try googling Chevy recall...
take all the Ruger recalls, for example...
or the Smith & Wesson ones...
or the Remington recalls...
or just about any First-Year model of car from ANYONE...Chevy Venture, anyone??
Or heck, think about the Ford Pinto...joke was the Pinto Car was like Pinto Beans...cause anything bumping into you made yer rear explode!!

MFR's get something to a "pretty good" state of being, and then put it on the market...
then wait for feedback...then change problems that are complained about...
or, if there are too many issues, junk it and go to the next model...

Its been going on since time began...you come up with an idea...you get it to work...then you refine it...
Like the Mustang...most popular car Ever...how many models have they made??
Gee...didn't the 64 & 1/2 have a Generator...which in early 1965 was changed to be an Alternator because generators didn't work right??

Technically, the Gen 1 was the Beta, then the Gen 2 gave us some more mods...Gen 3 really hit its stride...
then Gen 4's came up with a funny recoil spring issue...which they Recalled, which means
"Hey, we screwed up, now we want you to bring it in for servicing to FIX THE PROBLEM FOR FREE"...
Give Glock credit for at least acknowledging they have a problem...and coming up with a fix for it...

every car MFR out there does the same thing...once a fatal flaw has been found and published...Toyota/Lexus floor mat/accelerator pedal??

We're all lab rats...every day some jackwagon pours his leftover/expired medicine into the sink/toilet...
or they pour their cleaning chemicals down the drain...or old car oil into a ditch in their backyard...
as things go, a small recoil problem is pretty darn low on my list of what to really worry about...
Especially if the company took the reports, researched it themselves
(gotta clear it from being a crappy ammo/dumb owner issue as opposed to a gun repair issue...),
once the problem was confirmed, they researched a fix...then did a Recall to say, "OK, folks, come get yer gun fixed!"
as opposed to Toyota, who waited for a few dozen people to get killed/maimed, got sued, and the Gov't stepped in...then we got a recall

[neophyte]

From Glock: horse's "Mouth"

GLOCK Inc. is voluntarily exchanging the recoil spring assembly (RSA) on its new Gen4 pistols (with the exception of G26 and G27 models). GLOCK has developed a new design to the recoil spring assemblies on its Gen4 pistols to replace several variations that are functioning in the market today. As part of the company's commitment to perfection, we are voluntarily exchanging the existing RSA in order to ensure our products perform up to GLOCK's stringent standards.
GLOCK is replacing the RSA in all Gen4s sold before July 22, 2011 at no cost. Please complete the following procedure to receive a new RSA. The RSA can safely and simply be swapped out using normal field stripping protocols. If you have additional questions, please contact GLOCK at 1-877-745-8523 with your serial number and model number.
CONSUMER ACTION:
Call 1-877-745-8523 with your serial number and model number to request your modified RSA. GLOCK will verify your serial number and collect shipping information
Within 30 days, GLOCK will send you a replacement RSA along with a pre-addressed envelope to mail in your old spring
Ensure your Gen4 is completely unloaded
Field strip your GLOCK per the instructions found in your 'Instructions for Use' manual that came with your pistol and replace the old RSA with the new one
Place the old RSA in the supplied shipping container and give to the United States Postal Service (USPS)
Recoil Spring Exchange Program | GLOCK USA
Glock Gen4 Recoil Spring Recall :: Guns Holsters and Gear
Glock issued an announcement about a voluntary recall or exchange program for the recoil spring assembly on all of Gen4 pistols sold before July 22, 2011. In the announcement sent out to Glock armorers, the company stated their product development team modified "various elements" of the recoil spring assemblies to "...ensure each pistol's performance meets the company's demanding standards."
The Gen4 Glock 26 and 27 pistols are not part of this recoil spring recall.
The recoil spring assemblies can be replaced by the owner of the firearm, and the firearm does not need to be shipped back to Glock.
The replacement part is free, and the complete instructions on obtaining the new recoil spring assembly is located at the Glock site.
There are a variety of different Glock Gen 4 recoil spring assemblies in circulation. Glock provided the following graphic to help identify which part you need:
Ever since the Gen 4 pistols started shipping, there have been complaints about reliability. Several discussion threads on the topic have been posted on various shooting and law enforcement web sites. It would appear that this voluntary exchange is to address these reliability problems.
The third generation Glock pistols chambered in .40 S&W and fitted with a weapon light were found to be unreliable by a number of police agencies. A number of people believe Glock introduced the new recoil spring assembly found on the Gen4 pistols to correct the third generation problems.
Glock Gen4 Recoil Spring Recall
By Richard

[K75RT]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

Wow! This is an older thread; and, usually, I'd skip it; but this is actually an historic event. Does anybody realize that this is the very first product recall ever officially issued to the general American public by Glock, GmbH. Awesome! (Never thought I'd see the day! Glock must really be having problems with their new 4th generation pistols.)

Actually, Glock has had upgrades as far back as 1992... I love my Glocks, they work they are accurate they are light and portable... and Glock is always trying to improve it's product. I own several Glocks from the original Gen 1 G17 to the Gen 3 G37 in .45GAP. Here is a link that explains many of the upgrades that Glock has done... The Gun Zone -- Glock Six-Part Upgrade FAQ

[SuckLead]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Zevon

If you got flawless gen 3's? DEAL! Just PM me with info! I NEED a side arm I can TRUST. Need Reflex site and laser. Open to other brand suggestions as well! Thanks!

Well, the shop I'm at has Gen 3 19s in stock, a few of them, actually. No reflex site, but probably the laser. I'll be back in there on Tuesday if you really want prices.

[Zevon]

Quote:       Originally Posted by XIDshooter

So...I shouldn't have bought that new G19 today?.....

Think the springs are good if you are using a heavier bullet than 9mm.

The day Magpull makes a hi-cap mag I can trust - I am wary.

What Grain / round you using?
No problems?