First Glock!

TACAV · 08-28-2009, 10:34 AM

Congrats on your purchase, Oddly enough the G22 was the first pistol I ever learned to shoot with.

Did you have to buy your own gun and ammo because your department doesnt provide you with one or because you are simply sponsering yourself through the whole thing and you are not hired by an agency yet?

As for the extended slide catch, personally if I were you I would start to train yourself to simply slingshot the slide with your weak hand (grab pull back and let go, dont ride it forward) instead of using the slide catch.

Its a combat pistol designed for simplicity and gross motor movements which you will be using under stress. As easy as it is to release the slide with your thumb under normal conditions it will be very easy to miss the part and highly likely that you will fail to engage the slide stop in a real gunfight, even with the extended part which is only minimally bigger than the default one.

Glock slide stops and extended ones arnt any where near the size of a 1911 or HK style one.

tappedandtagged · 08-29-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TACAV

Its a combat pistol designed for simplicity and gross motor movements which you will be using under stress.

You know, I've never thought of it that way. But well said

TACAV · 09-03-2009, 12:29 PM

gee thanks!

MrSnubbie · 10-02-2009, 01:39 AM

Congrats on your new Glock. Good luck at the academy. Give it everything you've got! I've fired my friends Glocks, but I much prefer my 9mm CZ-75 P-01 to them. Of course, I'll take a vintage Colt revolver (especially my Python) over any other handgun any day!
Good shooting and be safe.

RevDerb · 10-02-2009, 06:14 AM

Congratulations and good luck.

G. Green · 10-02-2009, 06:38 AM

Congrats Sell! If you're new to LE be prepared for what may be the first job you ever had where you'd rather be working than off. I went to my academy 30 years ago, but since have served in them as firearms instructor, duty officer, counselor, and commandant. PLEASE keep us posted on how it's going.

GG

GlockMeister · 10-02-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sell33

Anyone put an extended slide catch on their glock? the factory one isn't exactly the easiest to use so i am thinking about upgrading. any suggestions on where to order one of these? or if its even worth it?

Hey Sell33, Congrats on your purchase and on your endeavor.

As for the slide catch/release, not sure if all Glock pistols do this, but I know my G35 does and since it's the only one I've shot and have experience with it's the only one I can comment on, but if your concern is reaching (under pressure) the slide release when inserting a new mag, and again, not sure if this is what your concern is or what your talking about, but with my G35 when I insert another mag., it automatically racks and inserts a round into the chamber. So yours might or probably will do this also, and if so, you won't need to get the extended slide catch/release?

I've never had to even use the slide/catch release lever because of this to be honest with you..

Just insert a full mag with the slide back and give it a good solid shove in their and your slide should automatically rack and bring a round into the chamber. See if yours does it anyhow. Maybe the G35 does because it's for competition? If yours does this also, you won't need the extended slide catch/release...

big boomer · 10-02-2009, 11:08 AM

Thank you for thinking enough of your fellow man to get into law enforcement its a thankless job most of the time and one has to have dedication to do it. I know you will make us all proud.

GlockMeister · 10-02-2009, 03:39 PM

^^^Well said and I couldn't agree more.....^^^

just_a_car · 10-02-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Hey Sell33, Congrats on your purchase and on your endeavor.

As for the slide catch/release, not sure if all Glock pistols do this, but I know my G35 does and since it's the only one I've shot and have experience with it's the only one I can comment on, but if your concern is reaching (under pressure) the slide release when inserting a new mag, and again, not sure if this is what your concern is or what your talking about, but with my G35 when I insert another mag., it automatically racks and inserts a round into the chamber. So yours might or probably will do this also, and if so, you won't need to get the extended slide catch/release?

I've never had to even use the slide/catch release lever because of this to be honest with you..

Just insert a full mag with the slide back and give it a good solid shove in their and your slide should automatically rack and bring a round into the chamber. See if yours does it anyhow. Maybe the G35 does because it's for competition? If yours does this also, you won't need the extended slide catch/release...

I can do this with my G27 also. It's how the slide release is actuated and situated in the pistol.

You can't rely on this, though. I can get it to work about 70% of the time and I've pinched my hand a couple times... but that's probably due to the fact I'm dealing with a sub-compact. Full-size and Compacts wouldn't have that issue.

If you'd like to see me doing a reload like this, watch the following video of me shooting my very first IDPA (I scored terribly on this round, by the way) the reload occurs at 0:40:

YouTube - Geoff greenlake

GlockMeister · 10-02-2009, 04:39 PM

True, I suppose you can't or really shouldn't count on it working 100% of the time. And FWIW, for me, the only time it doesn't work is if or when I insert the mag weak. But every time I drive it home, so to speak, it racks.

And again, I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact mine is the G35, tactical/practical? I doubt it though as all Glocks are pretty much the same. lol But seriously, I've never had a problem unless as I said I am weak when inserting the mag..

I'll do this though, later on when I get to it that is, but I'll go get my G35, load a 10rd. mag. and do it 10 times and honestly state if it went 10 for 10, or 9 for 10 or whatever it is. Just to see. I'd also add this though: I don't do it or let it do it all the time. At the range I do just insert it and use the slide release because as I said I have long thumbs and I don't see a reason to do it. But if I was ever in a gun fight (doubt it will ever happen and hope it will NEVER happen, lol) I would just drive that sucker home because anytime I have, it has always racked. lol

But then, I have long thumbs so reaching the stock slide catch/release isn't an issue for me anyways. lol

Oh and by the way, it seemed to have worked at the .40sec. mark didn't it? lol Was kind of hard to see for me as far away as the camera was. And I know, there's a reason the camera is that far away...lol

And FWIW, it looked like a blast. I'd love to get into competition. Definitely not expecting to win or anything, just for the experience of it...

.270alltheway · 10-02-2009, 05:08 PM

congrates on the glock!!! they are on of my favorite handguns to shoot! hope u do good in the academy!!

just_a_car · 10-02-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Oh and by the way, it seemed to have worked at the .40sec. mark didn't it? lol Was kind of hard to see for me as far away as the camera was. And I know, there's a reason the camera is that far away...lol

Yes, the method did work at the 0:40 mark. I stripped the mag, pulled a mag out of my back pocket (didn't have mag holsters), inserted it all but an inch or less, then slapped it home with the heel of my palm. I was happy to have the extra couple seconds, because my shooting/aim sucked on that round.

As for doing IDPA and other "realistic" shooting scenarios where you're actually 'running and gunning', I can't recommend it highly enough to LEO and non-LEO alike (I'm non-, by the way), as it showed me where I was deficient in a few places where I hadn't thought of before while sitting in a lane at a range.

Dallas · 10-02-2009, 06:31 PM

Congrats on the pistol and the Academy. As a recent first time Glock buyer myself I'm sure you'll be more than happy with your choice.

G. Green · 10-02-2009, 06:35 PM

If your slide is going forward just by slamming a new mag in your Glock isn't operating as designed. Most law enforcement training trains two methods when you've shot to a lock-back. (preferred) 1. going over the top and grasping the slide and pulling it to the rear and letting the slide slam forward and chamber the new round. 2. Another way is the slide release. Slide release isn't as preferred as under intense fight or flight fine motor skills go bad, so grasping the slide is a little more gross motor skill.

cjleete · 10-02-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sell33

Anyone put an extended slide catch on their glock? the factory one isn't exactly the easiest to use so i am thinking about upgrading. any suggestions on where to order one of these? or if its even worth it?

My G35 came with a an extended catch, and I found that if you have big hands, your thumb can ride up on it and leave you in mid-string with your weapon out of battery. It took a bit of training to overcome that. I would just as soon do without it.

GlockMeister · 10-03-2009, 01:55 AM

JAC, I only got 8 out of 10.

I'd like to add unlike you, I don't shoot competitively. I someday hope to though. So, like most, I only shoot at the range and I generally almost always go with my brother when he can go and we switch off. I'll shoot a couple mags and then switch with him and shoot his gun/s. So for those couple mags. it worked both times, it always worked for me with mine and thus the 100% of the time. lol

[Quote:G. Green] If your slide is going forward just by slamming a new mag in your Glock isn't operating as designed. Most law enforcement training trains two methods when you've shot to a lock-back. (preferred) 1. going over the top and grasping the slide and pulling it to the rear and letting the slide slam forward and chamber the new round. 2. Another way is the slide release. Slide release isn't as preferred as under intense fight or flight fine motor skills go bad, so grasping the slide is a little more gross motor skill.[quote]

G.Green, you're correct in that it isn't operating as designed. Nor is it either of the two preferred methods as you stated. And the two preferred methods are the preferred because they're the most reliable; especially under stress/pressure/combat/self defense or LE situations.

But if I'm ever in a gun fight, God forbid, and I run a mag. dry (again, God forbid this happens if in that situation) and the slide locks back and I insert another mag., and it racks forward from doing that, trust me, I'm not about to stop and do it how it again because it isn't operating as designed or the "preferred method". Now, I say that jokingly. lol And I would hope and pretty dam sure you wouldn't stop and do it over either. lol

But you're right. It is not designed to do this and there is nothing on the mag that touches nor does the round touch the slide release internally to make it do it either. The only thing or reason it does this is because the motion or action of slapping the mag. in, it simply dislodges the slide release. Thus why it doesn't work every time. Well if you only change mags out once or twice it does. lol

[Quote:cjleete] My G35 came with a an extended catch, and I found that if you have big hands, your thumb can ride up on it and leave you in mid-string with your weapon out of battery. It took a bit of training to overcome that. I would just as soon do without it.[quote]

Out of curiosity, did you buy it new or used? And if new, maybe they (Glock) started putting the extended slide stop lever on as standard at some point figuring since it's the tactical/practical model it should already come with it? Or someone put it on by mistake? Or someone bought it, had it put on, didn't like the gun and returned it and the dealer still listed it as new? It does happen. And it doesn't mean nor am I saying you're lying or wrong or anything like that. I'm just saying. lol But I've got the G35, it is an older model and it didn't come with the extended slide stop. But again, this means nothing, I'm just pointing it out.

FWIW, I got curious so I checked the technical data at glock.com for the G35 and it says nothing about the slide stop one way or the other.

Sell33, I guess it comes down to this. If you feel you need or want to install or have installed the extended slide release, and or it will make you both more comfortable AND confident in doing the job you're about to be trained for, then by all means, get it and install it or have it installed. Anything that gives you one less thing to have to worry about as well as one more thing to make the gun how you want it...Then do it...

I'd also point out from the sounds of it you may not need it or even end up using it as G. Green seemed to point out they may and probably will train you to reach over the top, pull back and let go? I'd add that even though the extended slide release has about 3mm more to catch then the stock slide release, reaching over and grabbing the slide gives you a good inch of slide or so to grab onto and that's a hell of a lot more to grab under pressure then even the extended slide release anyways.

Why not wait and see or ask right from the start first chance you get if they would rather you grab the slide. If so, I wouldn't even bother. Unless like I said previously it will make you more comfortable and confident and put you at ease??? YOur gun, entirely up to you wither way.

192ndkid · 10-03-2009, 02:07 AM

great info ...guys

bilgeneutron · 10-03-2009, 10:19 AM

Congratulations on the Academy. I trust everything is going well. LE training is a lot like trying to drink water from a fire hose. Everything is new and often complicated. Training however is a career long endeavor.

When I started in policing (Canadian term) the S&W Model 10 was king. No such thing as as a stoppage. As long as you kept if fed it went bang. With pistols however stoppages are a fact of life. Dealing with them has to be a reflex. No doubt your instructors have taught you all the appropriate IAs (immediate actions). The key now is practice, practice practice until it becomes instinctive.

One vital element of surviving a gunfight is cover. Members (cops in Canadian) tend to forget this and often lock 'er down and trade rounds in the open. Simunition training seems to impress our people of the need for cover. What are you being taught?

Good Luck with your training.

sell33 · 10-03-2009, 08:48 PM

Well i havent been on here in awhile...but apparently this thread took off a little bit lol. So far everything has gone great. just finished up the firearms training last week and i passed everything fairly easily...not to try to brag but there were a few of us that had obviously been around guns a lot more than most and easily flew through it. I was/am amazed at how hard it was for some of my fellow students. All of us students who did well and all of our instructors did as much as we could to help them figure out the basics and correct their problems, but it is very obvious who has never really been exposed to firearms and shooting. There are still a few students working on the tests. The classroom part has been going well also, we had our first quiz the other day and it was a breeze, so so far no complaints.

Of course at the range there were a variety of handguns. The only two guns that had problems were two ruger p95s and an s&w sigma. those kind of caused some problems, but those of us with glocks, XDs and berettas had zero complications. And there was one taurus 1911, no problems there either. After seeing the rugers constantly having problems i have determined that i will never own a p95. one guy did have an SR9 and it was flawless, and very nice to shoot. i wouldn't mind having one of those.

Anyway what it comes down to is every glock and XD went bang every time. The berettas were good but one had a operator malfunction, both of them were being shot by two people that had never shot a gun before, so that was interesting. A few others hadn't either, but overall thanks to great instructors pretty much everyone made it through or is very close to getting it down.

08-28-2009, 10:34 AM	#21
TACAV Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,537	Congrats on your purchase, Oddly enough the G22 was the first pistol I ever learned to shoot with. Did you have to buy your own gun and ammo because your department doesnt provide you with one or because you are simply sponsering yourself through the whole thing and you are not hired by an agency yet? As for the extended slide catch, personally if I were you I would start to train yourself to simply slingshot the slide with your weak hand (grab pull back and let go, dont ride it forward) instead of using the slide catch. Its a combat pistol designed for simplicity and gross motor movements which you will be using under stress. As easy as it is to release the slide with your thumb under normal conditions it will be very easy to miss the part and highly likely that you will fail to engage the slide stop in a real gunfight, even with the extended part which is only minimally bigger than the default one. Glock slide stops and extended ones arnt any where near the size of a 1911 or HK style one. __________________ Zombies don't hold grudges, discriminate, or negotiate- Neither should you. -The Zen of Zombie-

09-03-2009, 12:29 PM	#23
TACAV Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,537	gee thanks! __________________ Zombies don't hold grudges, discriminate, or negotiate- Neither should you. -The Zen of Zombie-

10-02-2009, 06:38 AM	#26
G. Green Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NE OK Posts: 464	Congrats Sell Congrats Sell! If you're new to LE be prepared for what may be the first job you ever had where you'd rather be working than off. I went to my academy 30 years ago, but since have served in them as firearms instructor, duty officer, counselor, and commandant. PLEASE keep us posted on how it's going. GG

10-02-2009, 03:39 PM	#29
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,676	^^^Well said and I couldn't agree more.....^^^ __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke"

10-02-2009, 04:39 PM	#31
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,676	True, I suppose you can't or really shouldn't count on it working 100% of the time. And FWIW, for me, the only time it doesn't work is if or when I insert the mag weak. But every time I drive it home, so to speak, it racks. And again, I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact mine is the G35, tactical/practical? I doubt it though as all Glocks are pretty much the same. lol But seriously, I've never had a problem unless as I said I am weak when inserting the mag.. I'll do this though, later on when I get to it that is, but I'll go get my G35, load a 10rd. mag. and do it 10 times and honestly state if it went 10 for 10, or 9 for 10 or whatever it is. Just to see. I'd also add this though: I don't do it or let it do it all the time. At the range I do just insert it and use the slide release because as I said I have long thumbs and I don't see a reason to do it. But if I was ever in a gun fight (doubt it will ever happen and hope it will NEVER happen, lol) I would just drive that sucker home because anytime I have, it has always racked. lol But then, I have long thumbs so reaching the stock slide catch/release isn't an issue for me anyways. lol Oh and by the way, it seemed to have worked at the .40sec. mark didn't it? lol Was kind of hard to see for me as far away as the camera was. And I know, there's a reason the camera is that far away...lol And FWIW, it looked like a blast. I'd love to get into competition. Definitely not expecting to win or anything, just for the experience of it... __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke" Last edited by GlockMeister; 10-02-2009 at 04:46 PM.

10-02-2009, 01:39 AM	#24
MrSnubbie Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Phillipsburg, N.J. Posts: 5	Congrats on your new Glock. Good luck at the academy. Give it everything you've got! I've fired my friends Glocks, but I much prefer my 9mm CZ-75 P-01 to them. Of course, I'll take a vintage Colt revolver (especially my Python) over any other handgun any day! Good shooting and be safe.

10-02-2009, 06:14 AM	#25
RevDerb Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hillman, MI Posts: 3	Congratulations and good luck.

10-02-2009, 11:08 AM	#28
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 2,306	Thank you for thinking enough of your fellow man to get into law enforcement its a thankless job most of the time and one has to have dedication to do it. I know you will make us all proud.

10-02-2009, 05:08 PM	#32
.270alltheway Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: georgia Posts: 24 Blog Entries: 2	congrates on the glock!!! they are on of my favorite handguns to shoot! hope u do good in the academy!!

10-02-2009, 06:31 PM	#34
Dallas PUKHA DAWG Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Virginia, just outside of Washington D.C. Posts: 3,692	Congrats on the pistol and the Academy. As a recent first time Glock buyer myself I'm sure you'll be more than happy with your choice. __________________ Those who forget History are condemed to repeat it.

10-02-2009, 06:35 PM	#35
G. Green Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NE OK Posts: 464	If your slide is going forward just by slamming a new mag in your Glock isn't operating as designed. Most law enforcement training trains two methods when you've shot to a lock-back. (preferred) 1. going over the top and grasping the slide and pulling it to the rear and letting the slide slam forward and chamber the new round. 2. Another way is the slide release. Slide release isn't as preferred as under intense fight or flight fine motor skills go bad, so grasping the slide is a little more gross motor skill.

10-03-2009, 01:55 AM	#37
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 9,676	JAC, I only got 8 out of 10. I'd like to add unlike you, I don't shoot competitively. I someday hope to though. So, like most, I only shoot at the range and I generally almost always go with my brother when he can go and we switch off. I'll shoot a couple mags and then switch with him and shoot his gun/s. So for those couple mags. it worked both times, it always worked for me with mine and thus the 100% of the time. lol [Quote:G. Green] If your slide is going forward just by slamming a new mag in your Glock isn't operating as designed. Most law enforcement training trains two methods when you've shot to a lock-back. (preferred) 1. going over the top and grasping the slide and pulling it to the rear and letting the slide slam forward and chamber the new round. 2. Another way is the slide release. Slide release isn't as preferred as under intense fight or flight fine motor skills go bad, so grasping the slide is a little more gross motor skill.[quote] G.Green, you're correct in that it isn't operating as designed. Nor is it either of the two preferred methods as you stated. And the two preferred methods are the preferred because they're the most reliable; especially under stress/pressure/combat/self defense or LE situations. But if I'm ever in a gun fight, God forbid, and I run a mag. dry (again, God forbid this happens if in that situation) and the slide locks back and I insert another mag., and it racks forward from doing that, trust me, I'm not about to stop and do it how it again because it isn't operating as designed or the "preferred method". Now, I say that jokingly. lol And I would hope and pretty dam sure you wouldn't stop and do it over either. lol But you're right. It is not designed to do this and there is nothing on the mag that touches nor does the round touch the slide release internally to make it do it either. The only thing or reason it does this is because the motion or action of slapping the mag. in, it simply dislodges the slide release. Thus why it doesn't work every time. Well if you only change mags out once or twice it does. lol [Quote:cjleete] My G35 came with a an extended catch, and I found that if you have big hands, your thumb can ride up on it and leave you in mid-string with your weapon out of battery. It took a bit of training to overcome that. I would just as soon do without it.[quote] Out of curiosity, did you buy it new or used? And if new, maybe they (Glock) started putting the extended slide stop lever on as standard at some point figuring since it's the tactical/practical model it should already come with it? Or someone put it on by mistake? Or someone bought it, had it put on, didn't like the gun and returned it and the dealer still listed it as new? It does happen. And it doesn't mean nor am I saying you're lying or wrong or anything like that. I'm just saying. lol But I've got the G35, it is an older model and it didn't come with the extended slide stop. But again, this means nothing, I'm just pointing it out. FWIW, I got curious so I checked the technical data at glock.com for the G35 and it says nothing about the slide stop one way or the other. Sell33, I guess it comes down to this. If you feel you need or want to install or have installed the extended slide release, and or it will make you both more comfortable AND confident in doing the job you're about to be trained for, then by all means, get it and install it or have it installed. Anything that gives you one less thing to have to worry about as well as one more thing to make the gun how you want it...Then do it... I'd also point out from the sounds of it you may not need it or even end up using it as G. Green seemed to point out they may and probably will train you to reach over the top, pull back and let go? I'd add that even though the extended slide release has about 3mm more to catch then the stock slide release, reaching over and grabbing the slide gives you a good inch of slide or so to grab onto and that's a hell of a lot more to grab under pressure then even the extended slide release anyways. Why not wait and see or ask right from the start first chance you get if they would rather you grab the slide. If so, I wouldn't even bother. Unless like I said previously it will make you more comfortable and confident and put you at ease??? YOur gun, entirely up to you wither way. __________________ "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." "Edmond Burke" Last edited by GlockMeister; 10-03-2009 at 03:46 AM.

10-03-2009, 02:07 AM	#38
192ndkid Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 121	great info ...guys __________________ On the 8th day God created the Infantry... and Hell stood at Attention..1-124 INF FL N.G KID

10-03-2009, 10:19 AM	#39
bilgeneutron Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alberta Canada Posts: 1	Congratulations on the Academy. I trust everything is going well. LE training is a lot like trying to drink water from a fire hose. Everything is new and often complicated. Training however is a career long endeavor. When I started in policing (Canadian term) the S&W Model 10 was king. No such thing as as a stoppage. As long as you kept if fed it went bang. With pistols however stoppages are a fact of life. Dealing with them has to be a reflex. No doubt your instructors have taught you all the appropriate IAs (immediate actions). The key now is practice, practice practice until it becomes instinctive. One vital element of surviving a gunfight is cover. Members (cops in Canadian) tend to forget this and often lock 'er down and trade rounds in the open. Simunition training seems to impress our people of the need for cover. What are you being taught? Good Luck with your training.

10-03-2009, 08:48 PM	#40
sell33 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,035	Well i havent been on here in awhile...but apparently this thread took off a little bit lol. So far everything has gone great. just finished up the firearms training last week and i passed everything fairly easily...not to try to brag but there were a few of us that had obviously been around guns a lot more than most and easily flew through it. I was/am amazed at how hard it was for some of my fellow students. All of us students who did well and all of our instructors did as much as we could to help them figure out the basics and correct their problems, but it is very obvious who has never really been exposed to firearms and shooting. There are still a few students working on the tests. The classroom part has been going well also, we had our first quiz the other day and it was a breeze, so so far no complaints. Of course at the range there were a variety of handguns. The only two guns that had problems were two ruger p95s and an s&w sigma. those kind of caused some problems, but those of us with glocks, XDs and berettas had zero complications. And there was one taurus 1911, no problems there either. After seeing the rugers constantly having problems i have determined that i will never own a p95. one guy did have an SR9 and it was flawless, and very nice to shoot. i wouldn't mind having one of those. Anyway what it comes down to is every glock and XD went bang every time. The berettas were good but one had a operator malfunction, both of them were being shot by two people that had never shot a gun before, so that was interesting. A few others hadn't either, but overall thanks to great instructors pretty much everyone made it through or is very close to getting it down.