11-24-2006, 09:06 AM
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| Super Moderator    | Cartridge fails to fire...deer walks off laughing Well...thanksgivng dinner has passed and I'm now carrying too much of that turkey stuffing in my gut. Ate too much, as usual, but eventually conversation turned to guns. My son in law told me about his second weekend deer hunting and how his rifle missfired twice at a nice buck. So here's what he said and a question related. His rifle is a 30-30 "Revelation" he thinks was made either Marlin or Western Auto. Both shots at a buck he attempted to take missfired when he pulled the trigger leaving the deer laughing at him as it pranced off. Jerry, my SIL, said he had fired his rifle with no problems a month or so before deer season. However on this day twice it failed to fire. The firing cap was indented, seemingly in a normal way, too. The rounds were factory loaded. Ok...my suggestion to him was had he thoroughly cleaned his rifle previously...or merely wiped Remington oil over the exterior surfaces? He said he'd tried to work oil down into various parts...but it hadn't been totally disassembled. So...I'm thinking the trigger assembly and hammer assembly were probably "gummed" and should be thoroughly cleaned. Also, I'm wondering whether the hammer spring had become weakened. Ok...anyone got any comments that I can pass along to my SIL on how to correct his riflle? Thanks in advance. Ox
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11-24-2006, 03:01 PM
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| Moderator   | I'd suspect the ammo first, but would definitely clean the gun properly. A 'Revelation' is likely either made by Marlin or Mossberg. We'd need the model number to cross reference. Western Auto marketed a lot of Mossberg .22 rifles under the "Revelation" name. I have the Revelation version of the .22 Magnum Mossy 640KD.
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11-24-2006, 05:56 PM
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| Senior Member  | your on a 50 50 deal ox id start by doing a complete tear down and cleaning of the rifle to see if its gumed up then id try new ammo if this still dosnt work you could check your sil in for proper luck adjustment lol and find out if he used wd-40 on it that would definitly make your gun not fire |
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11-24-2006, 08:58 PM
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| Super Moderator | I think you fellas are onto something. Thanks for your comments. I'll pass them on to my SIL. It may be cheaper if he'd attempt to fire a few rounds with the same ammo and see what happens. If it still doesn't fire...use a different brand. If that doesn't work...give it a special delux cleaning and lubrication. Then try it again. If it still isn't working...knowing him, he'll then take it to a local gunsmith.
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11-24-2006, 11:25 PM
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| Senior Member | Ox, make sure to pay close attention to the firing pin and the raceway where it rides. If’n that’s gummed up it could be causing the FTF. Clean it out completely, make sure it is absolutely dry and then use powdered graphite to lube it. It’ll work much better in cold weather. -UR
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11-24-2006, 11:38 PM
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| Senior Member  | Tell him to get a Mosin. If it fails to fire, he can bayonet it to death.   More seriously, I would say it just needs a good cleaning, and some lube, but not too much. Edit: So, the primer was indented? Am I reading that right? |
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11-25-2006, 05:45 PM
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| Super Moderator  | I have personnally had Remington Ammo that was old fail to fire...the primers went bad, possibly due to moisture affecting the primer compound. It happened to me facing a Black bear in an autoloader 30/06. Fresh ammo cured my problem, because the primers were dented enough to set em off. Rich
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12-18-2006, 08:34 AM
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| Senior Member | Some of the older guns could be fired before going into complete battery.The model 12 Winchester pump shotgun could be fired by holding the trigger back and pumping the action but every now and then only dented the primer and failed to fire.This was caused because the hammer,riding on the bolt didnt have sufficient energy to strike the fireing pin to develope the energy to excite the primer components. samuel. |
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12-28-2006, 02:31 PM
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| Super Moderator |  JBS wrote: Quote:
That's probably the answer. Seriously, I failed to ask my SIL about his misfiring problem last week when I saw him. I'll be sure to do that ASAP and post his comments. Thanks for asking stumped22. But...we did go check out a new Missouri State Conservation Dept. firing range called Parmalodge Firearms Education Center. Must have had 25 covered outdoors firing positions for targets out to at least 100 yds, and another 15 designed for handguns. Then there was a good sized building nearby where training courses are taught designed for young hunters, etc and other types of conservation related subjects.
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