Bolt Action 303 Into Machine Gun.

JoeLee · 05-17-2007, 12:20 PM

Talk about adaptation this guy was fanatical.

Gun City - 303 Charlton Machine Gun C-Cat NZ$9,999.00 - Charlton, 303 Charlton, Machine Gun, Collectable, gun city, ...

Big Dog · 05-18-2007, 05:09 AM

That was one FUGLY gun, and not too effective - thus it didn't enter service in any numbers. Still, ten grand for a full-auto ain't bad these days! Prices are really climbing. A buddy has his Class III, and his little Cobray MAC has tripled in value since he bought it.

I'd go broke feeding a Class III gun . . .

billy · 05-18-2007, 05:53 AM

quite a busy design. $7000 u.s. dollars

bigandrich44 · 05-18-2007, 06:59 AM

THey got a .22 WMR ak-47 in the A section I think. It's only like $850.

HEMI · 05-18-2007, 09:40 PM

17lbs, looks like a failed grade 4 science project,ugly I wouldn't pay 10$ for it. NO THANKS.

.22guy · 05-18-2007, 11:50 PM

One unique looking gun. I'd shoot it, but I wouldn't buy it!

troy2000 · 05-19-2007, 12:56 AM

In case anyone hasn't, it was developed during WWI to convert the Springfield Rifle into a semi-automatic.

Pedersen device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My nephew, who takes care of my Dad, thought the old man had finally gone over the edge when he started claiming that such a thing had existed; turned out he was telling the literal truth.

Something I didn't know until I looked up the Wikipedia article for this post is that versions were also designed for the M1917 Enfield and the Mosin Nagant, and models actually built. Wouldn't mind having one for my Mosins...

Zephri · 05-19-2007, 01:13 AM

they were going to make those for the mosin!!???!! jeeze if someone made one I'd buy it in a heart beat!

billy · 05-19-2007, 05:50 AM

i cant imagine holding on to a auto mosin. maybe a heavy tripod?

Big Dog · 05-19-2007, 10:54 AM

Since the Pederson Device used the .32ACP pistol cartridge, recoil in a rifle platform would be nil. It'd be a true 'bullet hose'! However, it was semi-auto, not full auto, IIRC. Also the magazine wasn't that big. Most were destroyed on orders of the War Department - so they are extremely rare!

Midas · 05-19-2007, 07:44 PM

That is one of the ugliest guns I've ever laid eyes upon

Zephri · 05-20-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 338WinMag

That is one of the ugliest guns I've ever laid eyes upon

I Love the way it looks, overly mechanical.

troy2000 · 05-20-2007, 12:57 AM

Then again I like oil rigs, and clocks and computers with transparent cases so you can see the innards. So I may not be a reliable arbiter of beauty.

I'd be more worried about the weight. If my memory is correct a kg is about 2.2 lbs, so 8 kilograms comes out to 17.6 pounds.

JoeLee · 05-20-2007, 09:13 AM

Did anyone consider the creative mind this man had,or is just the gun thing?

toolman · 06-08-2007, 10:50 PM

Being an old mechanic, I appreciate the thought process and ingenuity that goes into something like this, BUT, I also used to work with a guy who did a lot of coke and speed who built his own garage-door opener. The first time I saw it in action, I almost wet my pants laughing. He used a washing-machine motor and a chain-drive set-up at close to a 1-1 ratio. That was the fastest dang garage door that I've ever seen. Unfortunately, it self-destructed after about three weeks. It was pretty fugly too, come to think of it!

05-17-2007, 12:20 PM	#1
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	Bolt Action 303 Into Machine Gun. Talk about adaptation this guy was fanatical. Gun City - 303 Charlton Machine Gun C-Cat NZ$9,999.00 - Charlton, 303 Charlton, Machine Gun, Collectable, gun city, ...

05-18-2007, 05:09 AM	#2
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,205	That was one FUGLY gun, and not too effective - thus it didn't enter service in any numbers. Still, ten grand for a full-auto ain't bad these days! Prices are really climbing. A buddy has his Class III, and his little Cobray MAC has tripled in value since he bought it. I'd go broke feeding a Class III gun . . . __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

05-18-2007, 05:53 AM	#3
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,954 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	quite a busy design. $7000 u.s. dollars __________________ just leave britney ALONE! she's going thru a hard time snivel sniff....WAH

05-18-2007, 06:59 AM	#4
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013	THey got a .22 WMR ak-47 in the A section I think. It's only like $850. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

05-19-2007, 12:56 AM	#7
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,405 Images: 9	You guys ever hear of the Pederson device? In case anyone hasn't, it was developed during WWI to convert the Springfield Rifle into a semi-automatic. Pedersen device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia My nephew, who takes care of my Dad, thought the old man had finally gone over the edge when he started claiming that such a thing had existed; turned out he was telling the literal truth. Something I didn't know until I looked up the Wikipedia article for this post is that versions were also designed for the M1917 Enfield and the Mosin Nagant, and models actually built. Wouldn't mind having one for my Mosins... __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 05-19-2007 at 01:07 AM.

05-18-2007, 09:40 PM	#5
HEMI Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 717	17lbs, looks like a failed grade 4 science project,ugly I wouldn't pay 10$ for it. NO THANKS.

05-18-2007, 11:50 PM	#6
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,140	One unique looking gun. I'd shoot it, but I wouldn't buy it!

05-19-2007, 01:13 AM	#8
Zephri Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN. "The city where nothing happens." Posts: 1,086 Blog Entries: 6	they were going to make those for the mosin!!???!! jeeze if someone made one I'd buy it in a heart beat! __________________ "All rifles need a sharp pointy object on the end!" http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l195/zephri/

05-19-2007, 05:50 AM	#9
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,954 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	i cant imagine holding on to a auto mosin. maybe a heavy tripod? __________________ just leave britney ALONE! she's going thru a hard time snivel sniff....WAH

05-19-2007, 10:54 AM	#10
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,205	Since the Pederson Device used the .32ACP pistol cartridge, recoil in a rifle platform would be nil. It'd be a true 'bullet hose'! However, it was semi-auto, not full auto, IIRC. Also the magazine wasn't that big. Most were destroyed on orders of the War Department - so they are extremely rare! __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

05-19-2007, 07:44 PM	#11
Midas Troll B' Gone Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springdale, Arkansas Posts: 3,788 Images: 2 Blog Entries: 6	That is one of the ugliest guns I've ever laid eyes upon __________________ "Recoil lasts for a second, gravity lasts forever"

05-20-2007, 12:57 AM	#13
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,405 Images: 9	I don't mind the looks at all Then again I like oil rigs, and clocks and computers with transparent cases so you can see the innards. So I may not be a reliable arbiter of beauty. I'd be more worried about the weight. If my memory is correct a kg is about 2.2 lbs, so 8 kilograms comes out to 17.6 pounds. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 05-20-2007 at 01:03 AM.

05-20-2007, 09:13 AM	#14
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	Did anyone consider the creative mind this man had,or is just the gun thing?

06-08-2007, 10:50 PM	#15
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,566 Blog Entries: 22	Being an old mechanic, I appreciate the thought process and ingenuity that goes into something like this, BUT, I also used to work with a guy who did a lot of coke and speed who built his own garage-door opener. The first time I saw it in action, I almost wet my pants laughing. He used a washing-machine motor and a chain-drive set-up at close to a 1-1 ratio. That was the fastest dang garage door that I've ever seen. Unfortunately, it self-destructed after about three weeks. It was pretty fugly too, come to think of it! __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!