what load? 250 Savage w/14 in 1 barrel twist

backcountryhunt · 11-15-2006, 03:43 PM

I have a Savage Model 99 in .250 Savage with a 14 in 1 barrel twist. I am having problems stabilizing the factory load 100 grain Remington bullets that I am using – I imagine because of the barrel twist. I would like to retain the heaviest and highest quality bullet possible for hunting big-game ranging from pronghorn to mule deer. I am going to be reloading and would like some advice from anyone who has experience with this cartridge and this barrel twist about what rounds will stabilize with this gun? Are there any 100 grain .257 bullets out there that will fire precisely with this twist rate or do I have to drop down to 85 grains? I was going to start loading nosler partition 100 grain rounds until I read some material from the manufacturer stating that these bullets will not stabilize with a 14 in 1 barrel twist. Any other comparable round that will? What have you found? Any advice is graciously received.

Thanks
Joel

Otter · 11-15-2006, 06:47 PM

You're looking at bullet weights in the seventies, 72 to 76 grain Max for the .22-250 with a 1:14 twist.

MSgtEgress · 11-17-2006, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

You're looking at bullet weights in the seventies, 72 to 76 grain Max for the .22-250 with a 1:14 twist.

Otter, the 250-3000 Savage is the parent to the 22-250 but a 22 cal 1 in14 barrel will not stablilize ANYTHING heavier than 55g. You need at least 1 in 10for 72-76g bullets and 1 in 9 would be better

Backcountry...My quarter bore experience is with 25-06 and with a 1 in 10 I can stabilize 117's easily. As far as a .25 with 1 in 14, 100g would be pushing it but if you load to the max velocity you might be able to stablize it. A round nose will stablize with a slower twist than a spitzer due to its shorter length for equivalent weight but anything heavier than 100 will keyhole. You will also run into problems with Barnes X's in lighter weights. As they are solid copper, they are a lot longer than lead core bullets of the same weight and need quicker twists to stabilize.
I'd work up a load of 100's using a less expensive bullet than a partition and take it to the range and see what she'll do. what have you got to lose? it may not be super accurate but if you could get 1 1/2 - 2 inc groups at 100yds without keyholing and you hunt in thick cover your shots will be less than 100yds anyway. If you are looking for a tack driving accuracy though you'll have to stick with 85 grainers

Otter · 11-19-2006, 05:41 AM

Unlike the .223 family of cartridges which require tighter barrel twists to stabilize bullets over 55 grain, the .22-250 with higher presure and velosity will stabilize heavier bullets with it's 1:14 twist. My friend had this problem with my SP1 when he tried to shoot service rifle match with 62 grain ball and we had to switch to 55 grain ball because of the 1:12 twist. I remember reading this data, but couldn't remember the weights, therefore I was too heavy on the previous post.
Speer Reloading Manual Edition 13 lists 70 grain .224 caliber
semi-spitzer loads for both the 22-250 and the 220 Swift in a 1:14 twist
barrel. Sierra does NOT have load data for such a bullet. I would
definitely be leery of the Speer data, although they claim it DOES
stabilize and is useful on game as large as deer. I'd like to see what the bullet does at 300 meters.
My mistake, I was thinking .22-250, not .250 savage.

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MSgtEgress · 11-20-2006, 05:25 PM

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GeneCockrell · 01-15-2007, 10:03 PM

If you want to use spitzer bullets you are going to have to use an 87 grain bullet. (that's where the old term .250-3000 came from, for 3000 fps with the 87 gr bullet) If you want to stay with 100 grain slugs you may wish to try a round nose projectile. Sometimes a RN will stabilize when a spitzer won't. No promises though...

11-15-2006, 03:43 PM	#1
backcountryhunt Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1	what load? 250 Savage w/14 in 1 barrel twist I have a Savage Model 99 in .250 Savage with a 14 in 1 barrel twist. I am having problems stabilizing the factory load 100 grain Remington bullets that I am using – I imagine because of the barrel twist. I would like to retain the heaviest and highest quality bullet possible for hunting big-game ranging from pronghorn to mule deer. I am going to be reloading and would like some advice from anyone who has experience with this cartridge and this barrel twist about what rounds will stabilize with this gun? Are there any 100 grain .257 bullets out there that will fire precisely with this twist rate or do I have to drop down to 85 grains? I was going to start loading nosler partition 100 grain rounds until I read some material from the manufacturer stating that these bullets will not stabilize with a 14 in 1 barrel twist. Any other comparable round that will? What have you found? Any advice is graciously received. Thanks Joel

11-15-2006, 06:47 PM	#2
Otter Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 955 Images: 6	You're looking at bullet weights in the seventies, 72 to 76 grain Max for the .22-250 with a 1:14 twist. __________________ Life is too important to be taken seriously.

11-19-2006, 05:41 AM	#4
Otter Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 955 Images: 6	Unlike the .223 family of cartridges which require tighter barrel twists to stabilize bullets over 55 grain, the .22-250 with higher presure and velosity will stabilize heavier bullets with it's 1:14 twist. My friend had this problem with my SP1 when he tried to shoot service rifle match with 62 grain ball and we had to switch to 55 grain ball because of the 1:12 twist. I remember reading this data, but couldn't remember the weights, therefore I was too heavy on the previous post. Speer Reloading Manual Edition 13 lists 70 grain .224 caliber semi-spitzer loads for both the 22-250 and the 220 Swift in a 1:14 twist barrel. Sierra does NOT have load data for such a bullet. I would definitely be leery of the Speer data, although they claim it DOES stabilize and is useful on game as large as deer. I'd like to see what the bullet does at 300 meters. My mistake, I was thinking .22-250, not .250 savage. __________________ Life is too important to be taken seriously. Last edited by Otter; 11-19-2006 at 05:44 AM.

11-20-2006, 05:13 AM	#5
blogwado Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1	Auto News blog -=- Auto News blog Auto News blog New Cars The machines of family LS 460 presented to press in Austria, in the environments of Salzburg. Possibly, so uncommon a foreshortening will help to better feel the atmosphere of luxury and comfort. In those seventeen years, that they passed from the appearance of first “Leksus-.LS”Read the rest of this entry and more about new cars here » New Cars -=- Auto News blog or Motor Test

01-15-2007, 10:03 PM	#7
GeneCockrell Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: lAMPASAS TEXAS Posts: 89	If you want to use spitzer bullets you are going to have to use an 87 grain bullet. (that's where the old term .250-3000 came from, for 3000 fps with the 87 gr bullet) If you want to stay with 100 grain slugs you may wish to try a round nose projectile. Sometimes a RN will stabilize when a spitzer won't. No promises though...