i finally got it home!

Triggerjerk · 10-06-2007, 06:15 PM

This all sounds extremely active and risky. Think I'll stick to .22's for the bulk of my shooting...

Johnny_Revolver · 10-06-2007, 06:28 PM

TJ, there is a potential to blow your face off, no 2 ways about it. But, I honestly don`t know of anyone who has seriously injured themselves hand loading.

The thing I fear most is finished round with no powder. The powder I use in all my guns save my .357 mag is quite volumous and a double charge would run over the top.

My 357, well, a double charge would be possible, but seriously my GP100 would handle it, as I`m trying to put holes in cardboard and don`t really load the heck out of the rounds anyway.

billy · 10-06-2007, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny_Revolver

TJ, there is a potential to blow your face off, no 2 ways about it. But, I honestly don`t know of anyone who has seriously injured themselves hand loading.

The thing I fear most is finished round with no powder. The powder I use in all my guns save my .357 mag is quite volumous and a double charge would run over the top.

My 357, well, a double charge would be possible, but seriously my GP100 would handle it, as I`m trying to put holes in cardboard and don`t really load the heck out of the rounds anyway.

has anybody even heard of a friend of a friend that has been injured from reloading?
i havent.
dont bother telling me about crap you found on the internet.

If you dont get a good crimp to delay the bullet until the powder is burning good the lack of gasses will mean low pressure and doesnt even expand the case enough to get a good gas seal.This is evident when you have black down the outside of the fired case. unquote:like this sam?
this is a factory win. super x case

samuel · 10-06-2007, 07:35 PM

I never sugested in any way that someone could or couldnt be injured by reloading.I was just warning about a specific powder that I have had personal experience with,both my own and others.I have also seen the top three chambers blown off .45 revolvers firing blank black powder ammo at cowboy action contests before they started putting fillers in.Billy I dont give a shit if you believe me.I was only telling my experience and it isnt my gun at risk or worse.And yes I know of some with eyes out and injured extremities and one death.What I told you was personal experience,not off the internet. I will never bother to help or warn you about anything again as I am not smart enough and dont have the experience you have.Sorry I bothered you. sam.

billy · 10-06-2007, 07:35 PM

you took that the WRONG WAY sam i was typing a question to you as you were posting yours.
ok? sorry!

samuel · 10-06-2007, 07:51 PM

I only had half of it and the question about knowing people injured by reloading got me,I was nor ralking about double charging,the obvious thing.I was talking about a partial burn with one specific powder and waening that a bullet could lodge in the barrel.Yes,the blackened casings are caused by an under pressure charge.If the charge had been suficient and"IF ALL THE POWDER HAD BURNED" there would have been little or no gas leak and little black on the casings.Sometimes it is necessary to polish the chambers too. sam.

billy · 10-06-2007, 08:11 PM

right after you told me that i went to town and bought some green dot .
i used 6.8 gr. and crimped them twice

samuel · 10-06-2007, 08:26 PM

Good deal! I will relax now.The 4227 is a great powder for hotter loads but you still need a good crimp.I prefer H110 or Win.296 but 4227 is about the same.I have loaded thousands of casings with greendot.Especially .38-.357.And a lot more trap loads. sam.

billy · 10-06-2007, 08:28 PM

i did not trim the cases of that batch of 10 rnds. i first made with the 4227powder. what should i do with them? can i fire them? they have a firm crimp.

im going to save the 4227 for casull loads

apparently i need to beat that kinetic bullet puller as hard as i can for a long time because nothing has happened yet!

samuel · 10-06-2007, 08:35 PM

Yes,if they are crimped good you shouldnt have any trouble.If one doesnt sound right check the barrel.They should be trimmed the samelength to get the same crimp. sam.

JBS · 10-06-2007, 08:50 PM

Cuzzin' Billy, You can still use that 4227 in .357 Magnum loads. If you ever make any. I saw where you got some .357 Magnum dies with your purchase...That's why I say that. I don't even know if you have a .357 handgun or rifle. Ol' Sam might be a cranky ol' fart, but he knows his chit. I'd listen to him. I couldn't have said it any better than he did and I've got a little experience at reloading, myself.

billy · 10-06-2007, 10:06 PM

yes i do have a .357 as a matter o fack i got two!
i know sam knows his chit .
thats why i pester him with questions!

i just fired 50 reloads and they all worked just fine!

JBS · 10-06-2007, 11:22 PM

"i just fired 50 reloads and they all worked just fine"

Good!

Reloading is a "mysterious" thing. Any new endeavor we undertake, that has the ability to kill or maim, always bears watching. Dam, that sounds like my ex-wife!

billy · 10-07-2007, 12:21 AM

i got this press in the nick of time.
its supposed to snow tomorrow.it'll give me something to do.
besides going out shooting anyway like i always do.

samuel · 10-07-2007, 10:34 AM

That crankey old chit (you ought to hear what my wife calls me)Is back.The .357,s arent near as fussy for crimping as they are a much better casing than that paper thin .45 Colt.Still for light loads (which I dont even mess with as there isnt much recoil with .357,s)I sugest using your green dot.I use 125gr jhp bullets and 2400 or Win.296 powder at about 1450fps.In double actions double tapping is still possible as long as the gun is 32oz+.I believe if you are going light you should just use a .38spl.I have sent many varmints to varmint heaven with a .357. sam.

billy · 10-07-2007, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triggerjerk

This all sounds extremely active and risky. Think I'll stick to .22's for the bulk of my shooting...

i like it!
its like building models that can kill you.

JBS · 10-07-2007, 11:48 AM

I used green dot in 12 gauge, .45 ACP, .38 Special and light .357. When Clays came out I switched to it and quit using Green Dot almost altogether. Results of the switch were that Clays was cleaner and the pressure was a little lower (as a general rule). BUT, Green Dot is a good powder and can be used in a lot of bullets. I haven't made any 12 gauge or .45 ACP or .38 Sp. or .357 Mag in a long time. A while back, I got my RL 550B set up and loaded out several thousand pistol bullets and a bazillion 12 Ga on my MEC 650. I only been making rifle bullets for bout a year, now. I do use 4227 in my .22 Hornet, though. I use Blue Dot in my .357 Magnum, now.

billy · 10-07-2007, 06:53 PM

i just looked up how much all the extras in this deal cost.
$636 not counting the press!
yes i am happy

i found my press on e-bay for $102 but mines in better shape

billy · 10-15-2007, 10:35 PM

ok ive got one of each .
the rcbs is a nice machine it does a great job but it is slow.
the little lee thing is fast ,easy and cheap but you have to already have a drill.
since most reloaders already have some sort of drill laying around the house my recommendation is the lee.
p.s. this is an older rcbs product and if i didnt have a drill or there was no power this would be the way to go.
on the other hand ,if i wanted to do it with something i could just pull out of my pocket the lee wins.
you dont have to use the drill.

as johnny revolver says "it aint rocket surgery"

lefty o · 10-16-2007, 12:19 AM

sorry, i didnt catch the dangers of reloading discussion in this thread earlier. there is definately a danger involved in reloading. back when i was ocassionaly helping out at M.R.I. they had a 45-70 revolver come back that took 2 squibs, and then a hot round. 90% of the barrel was removed from the revolver. though no one was injured , the possibility does exist.

10-06-2007, 06:15 PM	#21
Triggerjerk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 978	This all sounds extremely active and risky. Think I'll stick to .22's for the bulk of my shooting... __________________ We old dogs can learn new tricks. We just may not like performng them. TJ

10-06-2007, 06:28 PM	#22
Johnny_Revolver Gun Liker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,222 Blog Entries: 6	TJ, there is a potential to blow your face off, no 2 ways about it. But, I honestly don`t know of anyone who has seriously injured themselves hand loading. The thing I fear most is finished round with no powder. The powder I use in all my guns save my .357 mag is quite volumous and a double charge would run over the top. My 357, well, a double charge would be possible, but seriously my GP100 would handle it, as I`m trying to put holes in cardboard and don`t really load the heck out of the rounds anyway. __________________ It`s a good life, provided you don`t weaken.

10-06-2007, 07:35 PM	#25
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,325 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	you took that the WRONG WAY sam i was typing a question to you as you were posting yours. ok? sorry! __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell Last edited by billy; 10-06-2007 at 07:38 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-06-2007, 08:11 PM	#27
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,325 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	right after you told me that i went to town and bought some green dot . i used 6.8 gr. and crimped them twice __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

10-06-2007, 08:28 PM	#29
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,325 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	i did not trim the cases of that batch of 10 rnds. i first made with the 4227powder. what should i do with them? can i fire them? they have a firm crimp. im going to save the 4227 for casull loads apparently i need to beat that kinetic bullet puller as hard as i can for a long time because nothing has happened yet! __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell Last edited by billy; 10-06-2007 at 08:35 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-06-2007, 07:35 PM	#24
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,232	I never sugested in any way that someone could or couldnt be injured by reloading.I was just warning about a specific powder that I have had personal experience with,both my own and others.I have also seen the top three chambers blown off .45 revolvers firing blank black powder ammo at cowboy action contests before they started putting fillers in.Billy I dont give a shit if you believe me.I was only telling my experience and it isnt my gun at risk or worse.And yes I know of some with eyes out and injured extremities and one death.What I told you was personal experience,not off the internet. I will never bother to help or warn you about anything again as I am not smart enough and dont have the experience you have.Sorry I bothered you. sam.

10-06-2007, 07:51 PM	#26
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,232	I only had half of it and the question about knowing people injured by reloading got me,I was nor ralking about double charging,the obvious thing.I was talking about a partial burn with one specific powder and waening that a bullet could lodge in the barrel.Yes,the blackened casings are caused by an under pressure charge.If the charge had been suficient and"IF ALL THE POWDER HAD BURNED" there would have been little or no gas leak and little black on the casings.Sometimes it is necessary to polish the chambers too. sam.

10-06-2007, 08:26 PM	#28
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,232	Good deal! I will relax now.The 4227 is a great powder for hotter loads but you still need a good crimp.I prefer H110 or Win.296 but 4227 is about the same.I have loaded thousands of casings with greendot.Especially .38-.357.And a lot more trap loads. sam.

10-06-2007, 08:35 PM	#30
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,232	Yes,if they are crimped good you shouldnt have any trouble.If one doesnt sound right check the barrel.They should be trimmed the samelength to get the same crimp. sam.

10-06-2007, 08:50 PM	#31
JBS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 803 Images: 6	Cuzzin' Billy, You can still use that 4227 in .357 Magnum loads. If you ever make any. I saw where you got some .357 Magnum dies with your purchase...That's why I say that. I don't even know if you have a .357 handgun or rifle. Ol' Sam might be a cranky ol' fart, but he knows his chit. I'd listen to him. I couldn't have said it any better than he did and I've got a little experience at reloading, myself.

10-06-2007, 10:06 PM	#32
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,325 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	yes i do have a .357 as a matter o fack i got two! i know sam knows his chit . thats why i pester him with questions! i just fired 50 reloads and they all worked just fine! __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell Last edited by billy; 10-06-2007 at 10:07 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-06-2007, 11:22 PM	#33
JBS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 803 Images: 6	"i just fired 50 reloads and they all worked just fine" Good! Reloading is a "mysterious" thing. Any new endeavor we undertake, that has the ability to kill or maim, always bears watching. Dam, that sounds like my ex-wife!

10-07-2007, 12:21 AM	#34
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,325 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	i got this press in the nick of time. its supposed to snow tomorrow.it'll give me something to do. besides going out shooting anyway like i always do. __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

10-07-2007, 10:34 AM	#35
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,232	That crankey old chit (you ought to hear what my wife calls me)Is back.The .357,s arent near as fussy for crimping as they are a much better casing than that paper thin .45 Colt.Still for light loads (which I dont even mess with as there isnt much recoil with .357,s)I sugest using your green dot.I use 125gr jhp bullets and 2400 or Win.296 powder at about 1450fps.In double actions double tapping is still possible as long as the gun is 32oz+.I believe if you are going light you should just use a .38spl.I have sent many varmints to varmint heaven with a .357. sam.

10-07-2007, 11:48 AM	#37
JBS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 803 Images: 6	I used green dot in 12 gauge, .45 ACP, .38 Special and light .357. When Clays came out I switched to it and quit using Green Dot almost altogether. Results of the switch were that Clays was cleaner and the pressure was a little lower (as a general rule). BUT, Green Dot is a good powder and can be used in a lot of bullets. I haven't made any 12 gauge or .45 ACP or .38 Sp. or .357 Mag in a long time. A while back, I got my RL 550B set up and loaded out several thousand pistol bullets and a bazillion 12 Ga on my MEC 650. I only been making rifle bullets for bout a year, now. I do use 4227 in my .22 Hornet, though. I use Blue Dot in my .357 Magnum, now.

10-07-2007, 06:53 PM	#38
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,325 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	i just looked up how much all the extras in this deal cost. $636 not counting the press! yes i am happy i found my press on e-bay for $102 but mines in better shape __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell Last edited by billy; 10-07-2007 at 07:30 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-15-2007, 10:35 PM	#39
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,325 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	case trimmers,rcbs vs. lee ok ive got one of each . the rcbs is a nice machine it does a great job but it is slow. the little lee thing is fast ,easy and cheap but you have to already have a drill. since most reloaders already have some sort of drill laying around the house my recommendation is the lee. p.s. this is an older rcbs product and if i didnt have a drill or there was no power this would be the way to go. on the other hand ,if i wanted to do it with something i could just pull out of my pocket the lee wins. you dont have to use the drill. as johnny revolver says "it aint rocket surgery" __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell Last edited by billy; 10-15-2007 at 10:37 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

10-16-2007, 12:19 AM	#40
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,109	sorry, i didnt catch the dangers of reloading discussion in this thread earlier. there is definately a danger involved in reloading. back when i was ocassionaly helping out at M.R.I. they had a 45-70 revolver come back that took 2 squibs, and then a hot round. 90% of the barrel was removed from the revolver. though no one was injured , the possibility does exist.