.455 To .410

BANDIDO · 11-02-2007, 04:29 PM

Anyone Knows If I Can Shoot Cutdown .410 Shells In A .455 Webley Revolver ? (the .455 Barrel Will Be Converted To .410, No Problem There).

What I Don't Know Is If The Pressure Is To High For The Revolver.

Thank U.

samuel · 11-02-2007, 05:38 PM

I will have to advise against this one because a Webley isnt a high pressure gun and you would have to be very knowledgible to work up a load.I dont think shot would be very useful. sam.

BANDIDO · 11-02-2007, 05:53 PM

Well Sam, Thanks For Replying.

The Fact Is I Won't Shoot Shot But A Solid Bullet Of .410 Caliber. Now, Is The Pressure Of The .410 Higher Than That Of The .455 Webley? Also,the Revolver Is In Very Good Condition.

Again I Don't Know, That's Why I'm Asking.
Thanks For Your Patience.

lefty o · 11-02-2007, 06:50 PM

i say dont do it, but thats just me. consult with a professional gunsmith.

BANDIDO · 11-02-2007, 10:27 PM

Well When I Say I Wanna Do It, It Doesn't Mean That I'm Gonna Do It Anyway. Just Currious. Now If, For Example, I Load My Own Shells And I Know How Much Powder The .455 Contains And I Put The Same In The .410 Shell(the Cut-down One) Will It Be Ok With The .410 Primer, Or It's Gonna Get Too Hot In There. Need I Put Less Powder Than The .455 Carries Or What ?

What Are The Pressures Of Each One Anyway To Start With ?

Thanks Guys.

samuel · 11-03-2007, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BANDIDO

Well When I Say I Wanna Do It, It Doesn't Mean That I'm Gonna Do It Anyway. Just Currious. Now If, For Example, I Load My Own Shells And I Know How Much Powder The .455 Contains And I Put The Same In The .410 Shell(the Cut-down One) Will It Be Ok With The .410 Primer, Or It's Gonna Get Too Hot In There. Need I Put Less Powder Than The .455 Carries Or What ?

What Are The Pressures Of Each One Anyway To Start With ?

Thanks Guys.

DO NOT LOAD THE SAME AMOUNT OF POWDER IN A .410 shell as what is in a .455!First most .410s are loaded with #4227 powder,a slower burning powder than what is used in lower pressure handguns.Second the .410 casing is lower capacity than the .455 meaning the same amount of powder would build much more pressure.If you are crazy enough to persist in this insanity,I would start with a small amount of fast burning shotgun/handgun powder and check the barrel each shot to be sure it is clear and work up to something that seems to work.The trouble is you are working with a top lock revolver and with absolutely no load guide or reference you can be going along,increasing powder charges and suddenly the revolver flys open or worse,apart.Then when you get out of the hospital,if you can still see and have the use of your fingers you can continue yout research until the next visit to the hospital. sam.

BattleRifleG3 · 11-03-2007, 07:33 PM

Suggestion - instead of rebarreling a classic revolver AND using an untested unique shotshell, develop a shot load for the Webley cartridges similar to birdshot you can buy for 357, 44, and other revolvers and even semi-auto rounds.

OR buy a Taurus Judge that can take 410 shotshells or 45 Colt.

BANDIDO · 11-04-2007, 05:34 AM

Well guys you are a treasure after all ! Now, if I use a cut down .410 case which is long enough to accommodate the same amount of charge as a normal .455 case and also if in this .410 case I load lets say, 3/4 of the the original amount and type of .455 powder charge, do you think I have a chance to succeed ? (I know I may sound like a stubborn death wisher, but believe me I'm not).

And in my part of the woods it is not so easy to buy all kinds of guns or ammo. Unfortunately !

Thanks again guys.

samuel · 11-04-2007, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BANDIDO

Well guys you are a treasure after all ! Now, if I use a cut down .410 case which is long enough to accommodate the same amount of charge as a normal .455 case and also if in this .410 case I load lets say, 3/4 of the the original amount and type of .455 powder charge, do you think I have a chance to succeed ? (I know I may sound like a stubborn death wisher, but believe me I'm not).

And in my part of the woods it is not so easy to buy all kinds of guns or ammo. Unfortunately !

Thanks again guys.

I would not specify an amount but try even less.It is easy to check after each shot if the barrel is clear and you can shoot into wood or cardboard and tell by the penetration of the shot whether you have something you could use for snakes or something at short range.That is all you want.How are you measuring the powder?You really need a scale but if you have a measure you can fill and level the top it should work in this case.I hate going by volume with fast burning smokeless powder. sam.

BANDIDO · 11-04-2007, 06:33 AM

Hello ! Now we're getting somewhere. Thanks Sam. And yes, in fact I have a good scale. And the wood/cardboard testing u suggest, is exactly what I had in mind. Now how about the primer. Do you think the .410 primer is ok ? Cause this is what i can get down here. Or the pressure will be to high because of it ? I can use cut down .410 mag shells or normal .410 shells. I have this choice though.

Thanks once more.

samuel · 11-04-2007, 07:32 AM

The primer wont make any difference as long as you can get each load the same.Watch firing light loads at wood as they might bounce back.Probably wouldnt do anything serious but would sting.I have had .22 birdshot bounce off hardwood and it stings. sam.

BANDIDO · 11-04-2007, 10:34 AM

Thanks again Sam.
Now what kind of powder would you suggest for loading the specific round. More like it, what kind of powder does the .455 webley used according to your knowledge ? I believe the amount should be 6 grains of some kind.(that's what i've read somewhere anyway).
Now do you have anything in mind that would suffice ? (brand, quantity, weight, etc).
Now, any suggestions anybody else ?

And something else. The revolver will be shot while secured on a vice. By a loooong steel wire. I'm not taking any chances !

samuel · 11-04-2007, 10:47 AM

I am sure they used some fast shotgun/pistol powder like Unique or faster.There are a lot of them.I would start with 2gr,s,about the same as a .22lr has of the same type powder.The only danger to a light load is not pushing it out of the barrel and as I said,if you dont think it went it is simple to check.All the experiments should be done with only one round loaded.You can always go up but you cant take away once you fire it. sam.

BANDIDO · 11-04-2007, 10:53 AM

Sam, what can I say man ? Thank u would be an understate-ment.

rfc357 · 11-04-2007, 06:15 PM

Send your address. I'll send flowers.................

samuel · 11-04-2007, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfc357

Send your address. I'll send flowers.................

I love flowers,they are made by GOD and always make me feel humble. sam.

BANDIDO · 11-04-2007, 07:02 PM

SORRY, I don't get it. rfc357 wants to say something ?

Samuel, leftyo, BattleRifleG3, they all assisted me and had something to say and advice, so the least I can do is say "thank u".

What's the problem with that anyway ? Is being polite means something else in your area ?

samuel · 11-05-2007, 06:18 AM

Bandido:I'm sure RFC357 didnt mean anything personal,its just that he has trouble dressing and had his shorts on backwards.A circumstance you cant believe unless you have been through it.It usually only happens to rednecks.Its terrible and hard to adjust to. sam.

BANDIDO · 11-05-2007, 06:31 AM

Ah ! Ok ! Sorry rfc357, I didn't know that. I'm awefully sorry. (He! He!)

rfc357 · 11-05-2007, 06:26 PM

I don't think I'm a redneck, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Pardon my feeble attempt at a joke.

I just think you may be letting yourself in for some problems, not the least of which might be blowing up your gun.

You might try the shot capsules made for the .45 ACP and .45 Colt, reloaded in .455 brass. This might be an easier road to a .455 "shotgun." My apologies if someone else already suggested this.

11-02-2007, 04:29 PM	#1
BANDIDO Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: GREECE Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0)	.455 To .410 Anyone Knows If I Can Shoot Cutdown .410 Shells In A .455 Webley Revolver ? (the .455 Barrel Will Be Converted To .410, No Problem There). What I Don't Know Is If The Pressure Is To High For The Revolver. Thank U.

11-02-2007, 05:53 PM	#3
BANDIDO Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: GREECE Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0)	.455 To .410 Well Sam, Thanks For Replying. The Fact Is I Won't Shoot Shot But A Solid Bullet Of .410 Caliber. Now, Is The Pressure Of The .410 Higher Than That Of The .455 Webley? Also,the Revolver Is In Very Good Condition. Again I Don't Know, That's Why I'm Asking. Thanks For Your Patience.

11-02-2007, 10:27 PM	#5
BANDIDO Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: GREECE Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0)	.455 To .410 Well When I Say I Wanna Do It, It Doesn't Mean That I'm Gonna Do It Anyway. Just Currious. Now If, For Example, I Load My Own Shells And I Know How Much Powder The .455 Contains And I Put The Same In The .410 Shell(the Cut-down One) Will It Be Ok With The .410 Primer, Or It's Gonna Get Too Hot In There. Need I Put Less Powder Than The .455 Carries Or What ? What Are The Pressures Of Each One Anyway To Start With ? Thanks Guys.

11-03-2007, 07:33 PM	#7
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Trader Rating: (0)	Suggestion - instead of rebarreling a classic revolver AND using an untested unique shotshell, develop a shot load for the Webley cartridges similar to birdshot you can buy for 357, 44, and other revolvers and even semi-auto rounds. OR buy a Taurus Judge that can take 410 shotshells or 45 Colt. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-04-2007, 05:34 AM	#8
BANDIDO Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: GREECE Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0)	.455 to .410 Well guys you are a treasure after all ! Now, if I use a cut down .410 case which is long enough to accommodate the same amount of charge as a normal .455 case and also if in this .410 case I load lets say, 3/4 of the the original amount and type of .455 powder charge, do you think I have a chance to succeed ? (I know I may sound like a stubborn death wisher, but believe me I'm not). And in my part of the woods it is not so easy to buy all kinds of guns or ammo. Unfortunately ! Thanks again guys.

11-02-2007, 05:38 PM	#2
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,060 Trader Rating: (0)	I will have to advise against this one because a Webley isnt a high pressure gun and you would have to be very knowledgible to work up a load.I dont think shot would be very useful. sam.

11-02-2007, 06:50 PM	#4
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,695 Trader Rating: (0)	i say dont do it, but thats just me. consult with a professional gunsmith.

11-04-2007, 06:33 AM	#10
BANDIDO Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: GREECE Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0)	Hello ! Now we're getting somewhere. Thanks Sam. And yes, in fact I have a good scale. And the wood/cardboard testing u suggest, is exactly what I had in mind. Now how about the primer. Do you think the .410 primer is ok ? Cause this is what i can get down here. Or the pressure will be to high because of it ? I can use cut down .410 mag shells or normal .410 shells. I have this choice though. Thanks once more.

11-04-2007, 07:32 AM	#11
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,060 Trader Rating: (0)	The primer wont make any difference as long as you can get each load the same.Watch firing light loads at wood as they might bounce back.Probably wouldnt do anything serious but would sting.I have had .22 birdshot bounce off hardwood and it stings. sam.

11-04-2007, 10:34 AM	#12
BANDIDO Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: GREECE Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks again Sam. Now what kind of powder would you suggest for loading the specific round. More like it, what kind of powder does the .455 webley used according to your knowledge ? I believe the amount should be 6 grains of some kind.(that's what i've read somewhere anyway). Now do you have anything in mind that would suffice ? (brand, quantity, weight, etc). Now, any suggestions anybody else ? And something else. The revolver will be shot while secured on a vice. By a loooong steel wire. I'm not taking any chances !

11-04-2007, 10:47 AM	#13
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,060 Trader Rating: (0)	I am sure they used some fast shotgun/pistol powder like Unique or faster.There are a lot of them.I would start with 2gr,s,about the same as a .22lr has of the same type powder.The only danger to a light load is not pushing it out of the barrel and as I said,if you dont think it went it is simple to check.All the experiments should be done with only one round loaded.You can always go up but you cant take away once you fire it. sam.

11-04-2007, 10:53 AM	#14
BANDIDO Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: GREECE Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0)	Sam, what can I say man ? Thank u would be an understate-ment.

11-04-2007, 06:15 PM	#15
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741 Trader Rating: (0)	Send your address. I'll send flowers.................

11-04-2007, 07:02 PM	#17
BANDIDO Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: GREECE Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0)	SORRY, I don't get it. rfc357 wants to say something ? Samuel, leftyo, BattleRifleG3, they all assisted me and had something to say and advice, so the least I can do is say "thank u". What's the problem with that anyway ? Is being polite means something else in your area ?

11-05-2007, 06:18 AM	#18
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,060 Trader Rating: (0)	Bandido:I'm sure RFC357 didnt mean anything personal,its just that he has trouble dressing and had his shorts on backwards.A circumstance you cant believe unless you have been through it.It usually only happens to rednecks.Its terrible and hard to adjust to. sam.

11-05-2007, 06:31 AM	#19
BANDIDO Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: GREECE Posts: 42 Trader Rating: (0)	Ah ! Ok ! Sorry rfc357, I didn't know that. I'm awefully sorry. (He! He!)

11-05-2007, 06:26 PM	#20
rfc357 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 741 Trader Rating: (0)	I don't think I'm a redneck, not that there's anything wrong with that. Pardon my feeble attempt at a joke. I just think you may be letting yourself in for some problems, not the least of which might be blowing up your gun. You might try the shot capsules made for the .45 ACP and .45 Colt, reloaded in .455 brass. This might be an easier road to a .455 "shotgun." My apologies if someone else already suggested this.