rcbs comp dies

billy · 12-22-2007, 04:20 AM

i had about 800 cases that needed to be resized and my lee dies couldnt do the job.
the cases were just too big.
at the insistance of our pal moose i bought the RCBS competition dies.
i lubed em up using the caseslick lube (i dont like it because it stinks and i have to tumble to get it off the cases)
but i just breezed through 45 lake city match cases without a hitch.
verdict:
at 90 bucks thats an expensive set of dies.
BUT i am able to use the 90 bucks worth of brass that wouldve been garbage without them.
i havent tried to actually seat a bullet yet because now i have to wait for that damn caseslick to get cleaned off!
B.T.W. these dies seem really well made and are cool lookin too!

p.s. it's 3 a.m. so i cant just go buy a different lube!

update:4:50 am
i found a tube of lee case lube and used it to reload 10 rnds. of
180comp.matchking h.p.
40 gr. varget
cci primers
l.c. brass
no crooked loads with these dies.

Mooseman684 · 12-22-2007, 12:06 PM

Good quality Dies are a Must for producing Good quality ammo...And they will last a Lifetime...
Load on Billy...Load on !!!
Rich

billy · 12-22-2007, 12:55 PM

ive got 80 handloads to take out .

LiveToShoot · 12-22-2007, 03:29 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing some paper for how these loads are working for you...

billy · 12-24-2007, 09:37 AM

ok
this is one of the cases that were way too big to chamber.
i sized and loaded this one.
it will chamber but it is pretty stiff to close the bolt.
i colored the bullet to see what was going on.
i hand fed this round into the gun.
the photos are of both sides of the same round.
what is making that pronounced mark on the bullet?

i am not loading one more of these until i know whats going on with this.
ive got 25 of these cases with powder charges in them waiting until then

is it because this is military match brass?

300wsman · 12-24-2007, 10:22 AM

Billy, try seating your bullets a little deeper and c what happens, I use all mil. brass in all my 308's and 7-08 with no troublen, not many of them r match cases.
300

billy · 12-24-2007, 10:42 AM

i think i am just going to throw it away.
i am sick of fooling with it.
i ran it through a $90 die and it is acting weird .
im done with this s#!+

it's only 45 cases

samuel · 12-24-2007, 10:56 AM

If what I am seeing is what you are talking about,that ring on the one bullet,that is where the body is going in the freebore,nothing to worry about.The freebore is just large enough to allow the bullet entrance.Then it meets the riflings and lands.The riflings are boresize and the lands and bullet are the same.Everything looks great to me.Also the full resize die,if standard wont put the brass back down to factory spec,s,just close,so the bolt may have a little resistance when closing.There is nothing to worry about there either. sam.

billy · 12-24-2007, 11:25 AM

i am the only person i have ever seen actually reload a single round.
and you guys wonder why i ask so many questions!

the bolt is HARD to close on this brass.
as in i would have to stand up at the bench to get leverage to close it.

samuel · 12-24-2007, 11:38 AM

What happens if you dont load one and try to chamber it? sam.

billy · 12-24-2007, 11:39 AM

same thing .
hard to close.
i have full length and neck sized this brass

samuel · 12-24-2007, 11:41 AM

On your resizing die,does the base of the die touch the shell holder without a casing? sam.

phoenix79 · 12-24-2007, 11:42 AM

Billy, what type of cartridge is that and what is your COAL? It may just need to be seated a bit deeper

billy · 12-24-2007, 11:43 AM

thats alright i have already tumbled ,fireformed, trimmed , neck sized , primed and loaded another batch using lake city brass that isnt match and fits nicely into my chamber.
i used the already charged cases to fill this batch.

OAL 2.785
deeper seating isnt the answer .
thanks fellas.
yes sam it touches +1/4 turn

BATF666 · 12-24-2007, 11:48 AM

I am sure you been doing this for sometime now but let me ask.

Is the die all the way down against the shell plate?

Have you tried the use of a stony-point comparator to set the OAL of the bullet?
When applying the lube do you just spray them or take a plastic baggie spray the lube in the bag then add the brass. Then shake them and rub them against the bag to lube the brass. I also take a pipe cleaner and dip it into the RCBS case lube. Then swril it on the inside of the brass neck. I find you get the lube ot coat the brass and hardly any build up. Plus I also use the carbide dies and resize ball on my dies.
Also when you seat the bullet is the seating die high enough not to deform the shoulder of the brass. I do not use the seating die to crimp my bullets. I do that in a separate stage if it is for Semi guns. You would be amazed at just a little to much crimping with the die will cause a problem if not set right.
I also started to use this
rickjamison.html

It will help with many problems and if you keep a log of your brass helps make record keeping easier. Now I like RCBS dies but I find redding dies the way to go for precision reloading. I was just thrown into shock seeing the price of the 6.6x284 Redding S type Comp die set....

samuel · 12-24-2007, 11:55 AM

That sounds great. sam.

billy · 12-24-2007, 11:56 AM

i am only out a buncha time and 50 primers.
it's not a big deal.
i am done with this batch of brass though!

samuel · 12-24-2007, 12:06 PM

I always smash the mouth closed so I cant mix them in but I have a short memory. sam.

billy · 12-24-2007, 12:09 PM

thats a good idea.

Mooseman684 · 12-24-2007, 12:12 PM

Billy, send me those casings....
Rich

12-22-2007, 04:20 AM	#1
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,157 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	rcbs comp dies i had about 800 cases that needed to be resized and my lee dies couldnt do the job. the cases were just too big. at the insistance of our pal moose i bought the RCBS competition dies. i lubed em up using the caseslick lube (i dont like it because it stinks and i have to tumble to get it off the cases) but i just breezed through 45 lake city match cases without a hitch. verdict: at 90 bucks thats an expensive set of dies. BUT i am able to use the 90 bucks worth of brass that wouldve been garbage without them. i havent tried to actually seat a bullet yet because now i have to wait for that damn caseslick to get cleaned off! B.T.W. these dies seem really well made and are cool lookin too! p.s. it's 3 a.m. so i cant just go buy a different lube! update:4:50 am i found a tube of lee case lube and used it to reload 10 rnds. of 180comp.matchking h.p. 40 gr. varget cci primers l.c. brass no crooked loads with these dies. __________________ Last edited by billy; 12-22-2007 at 05:52 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-22-2007, 12:06 PM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,678 Images: 2	Good quality Dies are a Must for producing Good quality ammo...And they will last a Lifetime... Load on Billy...Load on !!! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-22-2007, 12:55 PM	#3
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,157 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	ive got 80 handloads to take out . __________________

12-22-2007, 03:29 PM	#4
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,071	I'm looking forward to seeing some paper for how these loads are working for you... __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

12-24-2007, 09:37 AM	#5
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,157 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	ok this is one of the cases that were way too big to chamber. i sized and loaded this one. it will chamber but it is pretty stiff to close the bolt. i colored the bullet to see what was going on. i hand fed this round into the gun. the photos are of both sides of the same round. what is making that pronounced mark on the bullet? i am not loading one more of these until i know whats going on with this. ive got 25 of these cases with powder charges in them waiting until then is it because this is military match brass? __________________ Last edited by billy; 12-24-2007 at 10:04 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-24-2007, 10:22 AM	#6
300wsman Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 42	Billy, try seating your bullets a little deeper and c what happens, I use all mil. brass in all my 308's and 7-08 with no troublen, not many of them r match cases. 300

12-24-2007, 10:42 AM	#7
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,157 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	i think i am just going to throw it away. i am sick of fooling with it. i ran it through a $90 die and it is acting weird . im done with this s#!+ it's only 45 cases __________________ Last edited by billy; 12-24-2007 at 10:43 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-24-2007, 10:56 AM	#8
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	If what I am seeing is what you are talking about,that ring on the one bullet,that is where the body is going in the freebore,nothing to worry about.The freebore is just large enough to allow the bullet entrance.Then it meets the riflings and lands.The riflings are boresize and the lands and bullet are the same.Everything looks great to me.Also the full resize die,if standard wont put the brass back down to factory spec,s,just close,so the bolt may have a little resistance when closing.There is nothing to worry about there either. sam. Last edited by samuel; 12-24-2007 at 11:01 AM.

12-24-2007, 11:25 AM	#9
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,157 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	i am the only person i have ever seen actually reload a single round. and you guys wonder why i ask so many questions! the bolt is HARD to close on this brass. as in i would have to stand up at the bench to get leverage to close it. __________________ Last edited by billy; 12-24-2007 at 11:30 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-24-2007, 11:38 AM	#10
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	What happens if you dont load one and try to chamber it? sam.

12-24-2007, 11:39 AM	#11
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,157 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	same thing . hard to close. i have full length and neck sized this brass __________________

12-24-2007, 11:41 AM	#12
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	On your resizing die,does the base of the die touch the shell holder without a casing? sam.

12-24-2007, 11:42 AM	#13
phoenix79 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 221	Billy, what type of cartridge is that and what is your COAL? It may just need to be seated a bit deeper

12-24-2007, 11:43 AM	#14
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,157 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	thats alright i have already tumbled ,fireformed, trimmed , neck sized , primed and loaded another batch using lake city brass that isnt match and fits nicely into my chamber. i used the already charged cases to fill this batch. OAL 2.785 deeper seating isnt the answer . thanks fellas. yes sam it touches +1/4 turn __________________ Last edited by billy; 12-24-2007 at 11:50 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-24-2007, 11:48 AM	#15
BATF666 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NY Posts: 7	I am sure you been doing this for sometime now but let me ask. Is the die all the way down against the shell plate? Have you tried the use of a stony-point comparator to set the OAL of the bullet? When applying the lube do you just spray them or take a plastic baggie spray the lube in the bag then add the brass. Then shake them and rub them against the bag to lube the brass. I also take a pipe cleaner and dip it into the RCBS case lube. Then swril it on the inside of the brass neck. I find you get the lube ot coat the brass and hardly any build up. Plus I also use the carbide dies and resize ball on my dies. Also when you seat the bullet is the seating die high enough not to deform the shoulder of the brass. I do not use the seating die to crimp my bullets. I do that in a separate stage if it is for Semi guns. You would be amazed at just a little to much crimping with the die will cause a problem if not set right. I also started to use this rickjamison.html It will help with many problems and if you keep a log of your brass helps make record keeping easier. Now I like RCBS dies but I find redding dies the way to go for precision reloading. I was just thrown into shock seeing the price of the 6.6x284 Redding S type Comp die set....

12-24-2007, 11:55 AM	#16
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	That sounds great. sam.

12-24-2007, 11:56 AM	#17
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,157 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	i am only out a buncha time and 50 primers. it's not a big deal. i am done with this batch of brass though! __________________

12-24-2007, 12:06 PM	#18
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	I always smash the mouth closed so I cant mix them in but I have a short memory. sam.

12-24-2007, 12:09 PM	#19
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,157 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	thats a good idea. __________________

12-24-2007, 12:12 PM	#20
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,678 Images: 2	Billy, send me those casings.... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!