454 casull loads?

[lefty o]

good catch billy, i made a typo it is a WLP primer. i double checked and all other data i typed is correct.

[billy]

[lefty o]

let me tell ya, it aint no fun being dyslexic. i usually have to read everything three times, and once in a while my mind still screws it up. should see me at work, we use 6 digit job #'s- sometimes it gets very interesting when i transpose more than one #.

[billy]

yeah i bet!

[lefty o]

but this does bring up a good point of checking all load data from the internet with another known source.

[billy]

yes i have a few books and if it jibes with everything else......

anyhow it looks like about a level tablespoon full so i will just go with that.
+ or - a smidgen.

[Mooseman684]

Originally Posted by billy

Tablespoons...YIKES !

[samuel]

With the high prices today,tablespoons sound expensive.Try weaning it down with teaspoons. sam.

[dogman2]

Billy,
The Hodgdon.com will give you loads for the 4227 for 454. Just remember you can't drive the 250 gr. bullets as fast as the 300 gr. bullets cause they aren't touigh enough.

If you want I have 4 boxes of Nosler partition handgun 3oo gr. jacketed flat point bullet available at $25.00/50. If you want any PM me and they will go out Monday.

[touretto123]

Now the only stupid question is the question that goes unasked (especially when reloading.)
I just purchased a Taurus Raging Bull in a .454 Casull and am planning on Reloading shells for it. I have a couple of Recipes and that is because I sometimes shoot on an indoor range that was built for .44 magnums and smaller and I must have accuracy even when shooting mostly on an outdoor range. And I shoot .22 on that indoor range.
So here are my recipes and I am very open to any ideas for indoor and outdoor shooting.
11 grains Titegroup Powder with a 260 grain Lead Wadcutter or lead Semi wadcutter with a Fed 205m Primer or Win SR primer. Or the same bullet and Primer with 36 grains of H110 powder Or same bullet and primer but with 35.5 grains of Lil' Gun Powder. Which would be an extremely accurate recipe indoor or outdoors? And why is there a large difference in weights of powders? I just purchased the gun the other day and fired a box of Buffalo Bore ammo at an indoor range and the range officer suggested that I load some lighter loads for indoor shooting because that range was designed for .44 mag and smaller ammo. And he wasn't sure if the .454 Casull is more powerfull than a .44 mag.

Oops, I think I might have posted in the wrong place?

[billy]

i use cowboy loads indoors

[samuel]

I wonder what kind of backstop they have to allow full loads in .44mag. much less .454Cazull?The problem being the more powerful the bullet the more lead polution.A mag primer is absolutely unnessary when using shotgun/pistol powders,only when using rifle powders like 4227. sam.

[SL11]

Billy,

For what it is worth, Hornady's 4th Edition manual (1991) gives H4227 data for the 250 gr XTP and both IMR and H4227 data for the 300 gr XTP. These data are for Federal 205 primers in Freedom Arms cases. Things changed a little from the days of the Casull being a proprietary cartridge when it was standardized in 1998. In particular, case capacities changed, so load data changed with it. So, use this data carefully. Velocities are from a 7.5" Freedom Arms revolver.

250 gr XTP:
H4227:
27.3 gr 1450 fps
28.0 gr 1500 fps
28.7 gr 1550 fps
29.4 gr 1600 fps

300 gr XTP:
H4227: IMR4227:
24.6 gr 26.1 gr 1200 fps
25.3 gr 26.7 gr 1250 fps
26.0 gr 27.2 gr 1300 fps
26.7 gr 27.8 gr 1350 fps
27.4 gr 28.4 gr 1400 fps
28.1 gr NR 1450 fps

It surprises me how diferent IMR and H versions of 4227 look under this 300 grain XTP. So, extrapolating from H to IMR data for the 250 grain bullet seems a little risky. Staying under the 300 grain data with the 250 grain bullet seems like a good idea until you find data for teh 250 grain bullet.

I hope this, in combination with the other data you have, gives you some idea what to load until you get some better data. If you work-up carefully in a strong gun, you should be OK.

SL11

[billy]

thanks sl11,
i am using min. loads in a raging bull.

[USAFShort]

Originally Posted by SL11

If you work-up carefully in a strong gun, you should be OK.

Kinda off subject, but it applies. Do overpressure signs of revolver fired cases resemble those of rifle fired cases? Or is it something totally different to look for?

Newb question, I just dont have any experience working up revolver loads, got me curious.

USAFShort

[GSPKurt]

That's a nice, mid-range load for the 454 Casull. Don't drive those bullets too fast, they'll come apart at Casull velocity. I have fired over 100 rounds of that load, and it is fine. All my 454 Casull brass uses SMALL RIFLE PRIMERS!! I have the Ruger SRH with 9.5" barrel. I load for it exclusively at sub-Casull velocity, as my arthritis won't allow me to shoot Factory-level loads.

Originally Posted by touretto123

And he wasn't sure if the .454 Casull is more powerfull than a .44 mag.

If your range officer doesn't know if a 454 Casull is more powerful than a 44 Magnum, get out of there now and find another place to shoot.

[billy]

Originally Posted by GSPKurt

That's a nice, mid-range load for the 454 Casull. Don't drive those bullets too fast, they'll come apart at Casull velocity. I have fired over 100 rounds of that load, and it is fine. All my 454 Casull brass uses SMALL RIFLE PRIMERS!! I have the Ruger SRH with 9.5" barrel. I load for it exclusively at sub-Casull velocity, as my arthritis won't allow me to shoot Factory-level loads.



If your range officer doesn't know if a 454 Casull is more powerful than a 44 Magnum, get out of there now and find another place to shoot.

i always go min. loads with this monster!
no sense beating myself up for nothing.
a minimum load with a 300 gr. pill is still a heluva round!
i go min. loads with everything except my new 308 that i think i have found it's sweetspot and that was a middle of the road load.

[GSPKurt]

Try that load- I think you'll be pleased. Also, try 12 gr. of Unique with that bullet. If you're shooting mild target loads, you should try a 250 gr. cast lead bullet. MUUUUUCH less expensive!

[billy]

Originally Posted by GSPKurt

Try that load- I think you'll be pleased. Also, try 12 gr. of Unique with that bullet. If you're shooting mild target loads, you should try a 250 gr. cast lead bullet. MUUUUUCH less expensive!

i shoot cowboy loads through it sometimes.

Originally Posted by lefty o

but this does bring up a good point of checking all load data from the internet with another known source.

thats what i like to do.
get as many recipes as i can for a bullet,powder and look at them all .
then see how many of them agree.
then i go with that one!

[samuel]

the most prominent signs are reduced accuracy,cylinder torns hard,cylinder pushes out hard and/or the casings are hard to eject,casings are bulged.Usually when the casings bulge you have already injured the chambers.I just dont even try for max,just accuracy.You just dont loose that much in power. sam.