7.62x54r bullet question

big boomer · 02-26-2008, 11:19 PM

I am going to load some lighter bullets in the Russian(110 or125) now should I use 308 or 310-311 bullets? my Lyman man. says 308 I think 310 or 311 would be better, maybe some 123gr. sks bullets? What do you say? (Moose would most likely know).

Mooseman684 · 02-26-2008, 11:23 PM

What does your barrel Mic out at ???
That is what Determines which bullet to use....308 's will shoot fine, 310,311,and 312 diameter will create a bit more pressure, but they will swedge when fired and give more kick!
It really depends on your bore.
Rich

big boomer · 02-26-2008, 11:44 PM

Thanks I'll have to check it out, Just got the rifle must be gov.refinished looks almost new with a nice bore.

toolman · 02-28-2008, 10:41 PM

Most of the Russian guns are .310-.313 bores while the Finn's are closer to .308-.310. This is just for reference as, like Moose said, you choice should be based on your actual bore size.

big boomer · 02-28-2008, 10:43 PM

We are going to try 308 first and see if they shoot ok, if keyholing or bad grouping we are going to try 310 next.

Mooseman684 · 02-28-2008, 10:47 PM

I have a Russian that is .308 and 2 Finns that are .310...The Russian is the Tightest.

big boomer · 02-28-2008, 11:04 PM

Both mine are Russian a rifle and a carbine and real nice shape can't wait to shoot them.

Mooseman684 · 02-28-2008, 11:36 PM

Try a .308 bullet in the bore at the muzzle...If it wont drop in past the Ogive it will be a .308-.309 bore!

SwedeSteve · 03-02-2008, 06:01 PM

Great advice guys! At the risk of flogging a dead horse: http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinSlug/htm

Snakebite · 03-03-2008, 08:47 PM

I just bought 300 rounds and they all Mic at .311. They are tight in my 91/30 but dang, they shoot great. Whats a little more kick in something that already kicks like a mule.
They did split a case in my nephews M44 but that was bad brass. All others were fine with no sign of excessive pressure.
Mooseman, these bullets dont even come close to dropping in the bore past the ogive! I was a little afraid at first but what the heck. Russian bullets, Russian guns. Good combination. But good info on bore sizes. Your results may vary..thats my disclaimer.

SwedeSteve · 03-03-2008, 09:49 PM

Again! If you truly wish to wring out the ultimate accuracy out of your Mosin, you must slug your barrel! End of story!

Snakebite · 03-03-2008, 10:20 PM

Swede.
I understand but what bullets are you going to buy off the shelf if its a .309? Whats a .310? is that a .303 British?
Not to be a jerk and I know they slug differently...I have more than a few and I find ALL shoot better with the larger diameter. I know that a few of my Mosins would pass gas with a .308 and maybe hit 2,000 fps.
Sellior and Bellot ammo is great ammo but is sized small just for the undersized bores. But its reloadable.
The Mosin is very capable of pushing a few thousands of an inch bigger bullet and may improve accuracy.
Again, not an argument, just an opinion.
I know a Mosin can be incredably accurate. If it slugs at .310 then go .311
And go to the store and find a .310

gandog56 · 03-06-2008, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakebite

They are tight in my 91/30 but dang, they shoot great. Whats a little more kick in something that already kicks like a mule.

Everybody tells me about how bad a Mosin kicks. I don't feel much difference beween it an any other 30 cal rifle I've ever owned except a 7.62X39.

FatAlbert · 04-02-2008, 06:25 PM

If you pull the bullet most of the real military 7.62x54r you will find that they have a hollow base like Minie ball. It was made that way so it would work in any bore from .308 and up. My M44 is .315" but works with .312 jacketed and .314 cast. About the only 7.62x54r that are out there, that you can besure are .308 are Finn M39's or should be. Alot of the military 7.62x54R ammo that you see around today that was loaded in the 80's and 90's was made for machinegun and is loaded warmer than old rifle ammo.

02-26-2008, 11:19 PM	#1
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 980	7.62x54r bullet question I am going to load some lighter bullets in the Russian(110 or125) now should I use 308 or 310-311 bullets? my Lyman man. says 308 I think 310 or 311 would be better, maybe some 123gr. sks bullets? What do you say? (Moose would most likely know).

02-26-2008, 11:23 PM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,687 Images: 2	What does your barrel Mic out at ??? That is what Determines which bullet to use....308 's will shoot fine, 310,311,and 312 diameter will create a bit more pressure, but they will swedge when fired and give more kick! It really depends on your bore. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

02-28-2008, 10:41 PM	#4
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	Most of the Russian guns are .310-.313 bores while the Finn's are closer to .308-.310. This is just for reference as, like Moose said, you choice should be based on your actual bore size. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

02-28-2008, 10:47 PM	#6
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,687 Images: 2	I have a Russian that is .308 and 2 Finns that are .310...The Russian is the Tightest. __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

02-28-2008, 11:36 PM	#8
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,687 Images: 2	Try a .308 bullet in the bore at the muzzle...If it wont drop in past the Ogive it will be a .308-.309 bore! __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

02-26-2008, 11:44 PM	#3
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 980	Thanks I'll have to check it out, Just got the rifle must be gov.refinished looks almost new with a nice bore.

02-28-2008, 10:43 PM	#5
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 980	We are going to try 308 first and see if they shoot ok, if keyholing or bad grouping we are going to try 310 next.

02-28-2008, 11:04 PM	#7
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 980	Both mine are Russian a rifle and a carbine and real nice shape can't wait to shoot them.

03-02-2008, 06:01 PM	#9
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,383 Images: 1	Great advice guys! At the risk of flogging a dead horse: http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinSlug/htm __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-03-2008, 08:47 PM	#10
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,839	I just bought 300 rounds and they all Mic at .311. They are tight in my 91/30 but dang, they shoot great. Whats a little more kick in something that already kicks like a mule. They did split a case in my nephews M44 but that was bad brass. All others were fine with no sign of excessive pressure. Mooseman, these bullets dont even come close to dropping in the bore past the ogive! I was a little afraid at first but what the heck. Russian bullets, Russian guns. Good combination. But good info on bore sizes. Your results may vary..thats my disclaimer.

03-03-2008, 09:49 PM	#11
SwedeSteve Thor's Hammer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Posts: 10,383 Images: 1	Again! If you truly wish to wring out the ultimate accuracy out of your Mosin, you must slug your barrel! End of story! __________________ Thank God we don't get as much Government as we pay for! -Will Rogers

03-03-2008, 10:20 PM	#12
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,839	Swede. I understand but what bullets are you going to buy off the shelf if its a .309? Whats a .310? is that a .303 British? Not to be a jerk and I know they slug differently...I have more than a few and I find ALL shoot better with the larger diameter. I know that a few of my Mosins would pass gas with a .308 and maybe hit 2,000 fps. Sellior and Bellot ammo is great ammo but is sized small just for the undersized bores. But its reloadable. The Mosin is very capable of pushing a few thousands of an inch bigger bullet and may improve accuracy. Again, not an argument, just an opinion. I know a Mosin can be incredably accurate. If it slugs at .310 then go .311 And go to the store and find a .310

04-02-2008, 06:25 PM	#14
FatAlbert Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: North of LA, People Repub. of Kal Posts: 10	If you pull the bullet most of the real military 7.62x54r you will find that they have a hollow base like Minie ball. It was made that way so it would work in any bore from .308 and up. My M44 is .315" but works with .312 jacketed and .314 cast. About the only 7.62x54r that are out there, that you can besure are .308 are Finn M39's or should be. Alot of the military 7.62x54R ammo that you see around today that was loaded in the 80's and 90's was made for machinegun and is loaded warmer than old rifle ammo.