.45 Long Colts

[gcsod45]

Thanks Taurus. I don't mind the thread being hi jacked it entertaining.

[DanG]

From owning two different new service 45LC (HA) it depends on the barrel length as to which bullet to use.From the 4'' factory barrel 185-200gr cast lead sized to .455,from the 4.25 bubbaed barrel 185-225gr cast lead sized .452.Anything over that is tumbling, I could hardly believe it when the 255grs printed sideways at 20'

[Purdy]

Originally Posted by Taurus Fan

Gotcha!! I found an old 1961 Guns & Ammo article by the great Elmer Keith in which he states "doo00OOODz....it's called the .45 Colt, only teh suck n00Bs call it .45 Long Colt ..w00t w00t."
Honest.

Could be in the article, haven't read it, but I never heard Elmer call it anything but "long Colt" and I believe he refers to it that way in most of his books.

[big boomer]

Using a lazercast 250 gr.flat point bullet
1. bulseye 4.7 to 5.4 max
2. 231W 6.3 to 7.2 max
3. red dot 5.2 to 6.0 max
4. titegroup 5.2 to 6.3 max
5. unique 6.7 to 8.1 max
these are a few from oregon trails load book

[samuel]

The problem with really fast burning powder in a large case is the powder up/powder down factor.This can lead to pressure changes.The larger the volumn of powder you can use and the more you can fill the case,the more consistent the fps,load.The slower powders may seem dirtier because you are burning more volomn.The faster powders can be very consistant if you use the wads over the powder to keep it in place.Those wads burn completely and accuracy is much better,but I just stick with unique and do more cleaning.Maybe that powder Billy is using would be better. sam.

[Cyrille]

According to Hodgedon, Tite group needs no wad as it makes not a wit of diffrence where that particular powder is situated in the case. I do, however use a wad when loading another powder into the .45 long Colt. Tite group is a relatively fast burning powder, not the fastest of Hodgdon's various pistol powders; Hodggdon lists it fourth on their burning rate chart.

[samuel]

That sounds good.I may try it.Hope others are listening.I will run some across the chronagraph if someone else doesnt give a review.Sounds good. sam.

[alaskamonte]

Taffin Test the .45 Colt

[runfiverun]

i have ran titegroup up to about 10 grains with good results, but in my usfa's i stay
at 6 gr, what i would reccomend for that colt. should be around 8-850 in it.
like trailboss for billy and unique for others [me included] it is mt go to powder.
keep lots of it around.

[alaskamonte]

Originally Posted by Taurus Fan

This poor thread got hijacked, I'm sorry. When I handloaded for the .45 Colt, I had good results using a 250 grain cast Keith style bullet and enough Unique to get about 800 fps, duplicating it's original specs. I used Unique for most of my shooting in 9mm/.38/.357/.45 ACP, it does a good all-round job in a lot of cartridges from light target to heavy loads. I guess that's why they call it Unique.

I got curious once upon a time and searched out some old .45 LC Balloon Heads (hold more volume than late brass) and crammed in 40gns of black powder. Tested in a couple different platforms so, basically the old 40gn load clicked right at 1000fps from 7.5in barrels

My current P Model favorite load duplicates those original 1000fps loads safely using VV-N110

[Taurus Fan]

Originally Posted by alaskamonte

I got curious once upon a time and searched out some old .45 LC Balloon Heads (hold more volume than late brass) and crammed in 40gns of black powder. Tested in a couple different platforms so, basically the old 40gn load clicked right at 1000fps from 7.5in barrels

My current P Model favorite load duplicates those original 1000fps loads safely using VV-N110

Thank you. What did they do from a 4" barrel?

[alaskamonte]

Originally Posted by Taurus Fan

Thank you. What did they do from a 4" barrel?

I never thought to chrono the BP loads in a four inch TF, I do have a 625 Mtn gun in four inch that I'll clock the N-110 loads in tho?

My 5.5 SAA runs the 255s at 975 with the VV N110

The black powder experiment was to verify a email from a retired ragwriter that worked at Corbon some years back,, he was correct!

Anywho, after the 40gn load got complaints for too much recoil off horseback the Army reduced the load to 30 or 35 gns.

Almost circumcised to a Schofield much like the 10mm to 40 thing eh?

[samuel]

Originally Posted by alaskamonte

I never thought to chrono the BP loads in a four inch TF, I do have a 625 Mtn gun in four inch that I'll clock the N-110 loads in tho?

My 5.5 SAA runs the 255s at 975 with the VV N110

The black powder experiment was to verify a email from a retired ragwriter that worked at Corbon some years back,, he was correct!

Anywho, after the 40gn load got complaints for too much recoil off horseback the Army reduced the load to 30 or 35 gns.

Almost circumcised to a Schofield much like the 10mm to 40 thing eh?

I looked through everything and can find no place where the U.S.military ever reduced the load on the .45Colt.Can you give a reference or are we being subjected to some more gunshop talk.You know,there isn't much difference in lying and repeating someone elses lye.The effect is the same.A wild tale carried on to the unsuspecting. Please verify that the military reduced the loads. sam.

[alaskamonte]

Originally Posted by samuel

I looked through everything and can find no place where the U.S.military ever reduced the load on the .45Colt.Can you give a reference or are we being subjected to some more gunshop talk.You know,there isn't much difference in lying and repeating someone elses lye.The effect is the same.A wild tale carried on to the unsuspecting. Please verify that the military reduced the loads. sam.

Sammy? Nope don't recall any yokels named sammy?

Hmm, Sammy ole son if ya'd said that to my face

Instead I'll suggest you learn how to use Google!

Taffin and Taylor have written reams on the history of the various levels the old 45 Colt has been ran to from BP up to the fancy five shot cylinder Linebaughs.

Here's an easy hyperlink for ya Sammy so ya don't have to use that tiny brain to type seach words......I'll assume yer literate enuff to read>

.45 Colt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your welcome grasshopper!

[Mike Franklin]

Because the S&W wouldn't use the .45 Colt round, the US Millitary made a round as short as the S&W Round with just a little more rim than the Colt round. It was called the .45 Government, thus the regular Colt round was called the .45 Long Colt.
BTW, the Gov't and the regular Colt rond were loaded to about the same level. A 255 gr bullet at 800 fps.

[runfiverun]

i believe they did go to a 30gr load so as to keep everybody straight even when
using theshorter rounds in the colt pistols.
the reason i remember this is all i could think was why did they even make the colt
round if the schofield was the same power and probably came out of the cylinders
a bit easier.

[samuel]

Originally Posted by alaskamonte

Sammy? Nope don't recall any yokels named sammy?

Hmm, Sammy ole son if ya'd said that to my face

Instead I'll suggest you learn how to use Google!

Taffin and Taylor have written reams on the history of the various levels the old 45 Colt has been ran to from BP up to the fancy five shot cylinder Linebaughs.

Here's an easy hyperlink for ya Sammy so ya don't have to use that tiny brain to type seach words......I'll assume yer literate enuff to read>

.45 Colt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your welcome grasshopper!

The U.S. Military nor anyone else reduced the load of 40gr,s of black powder in the .45(lc)Colt cartridge.As stated in the article you posted in Wikipedia,they adopted a shorter case with a larger rim called the M1877 Ball ammunition.The revolvers were still chambered for the longer cartridge.With a smaller charge being in a shorter casing,the cartridges were about equal without loosing consistency from the powder up-powder down factor.The U.S. Military never manufactured their own ammo for anything.They did send research teams to work with ammo mfg,s to develope different things including ammo. Why would you post an article that proves you wrong and not apoligise for being wrong?Why do you want to post a statement threatining my health and well being?Is it because you know we are both perfectly safe as long as it is on the net?As to the statement about my lack of intelligence,I will agree,and only wish I could know all things about all subjects as you pertain to.I am pleased that there are geniouses like you to force dummies like me to look for the facts,even when the articles you post prove you wrong.As to your personal challenge,I am not stupid enough to indulge in such trivia.(altho I am stupid,as you say). sam.

[billy]

ah,
ignore him sam.
i do.

[samuel]

Yeah,try to! sam.

[Mike Franklin]

If you're looking for a playin' around load try a 200 gr lrnfp bullet over 5 gr Trail Boss with a W-W primer.