44 mag loads help

billy · 07-17-2008, 08:59 PM

44 mag loads

i have some 200 gr.l rnfp bullets that i want /need some loads for .
my 3 manuals dont have data for this.
i want to use UNIQUE or AA#7

billy · 07-17-2008, 09:19 PM

should i reduce the min load by 10% for a jacketed bullet?

toolman · 07-17-2008, 09:46 PM

Hey buddy, the closest I can get is a 215 gr. cast bullet using a start load of 16.2 gr of AA#7 up to 18.3 gr. OAL is 1.560. I'd use this as a starting point and work up.

billy · 07-17-2008, 10:23 PM

thanks jefe!

gandog56 · 07-17-2008, 11:52 PM

Lee Modern Reloading Second edition:

.44 magnum 200 gr. lead bullet
AA#7.16.8-18.7 grains 1353-1538 fps Min OAL 1.595"
Unique 12.0-13.0 grains 1367-1475 fps Min OAL 1.575"
'

Jersey Jailer · 07-18-2008, 12:02 AM

Yeah, what gandog said

jimkim · 07-18-2008, 12:36 AM

Billy if you want a lower velocity load for that 200 grainer you can load it over 10gr of Unique. It is a Speer Reloading Manual No. 9 starting load for a 200gr jacketed bullet. I have used it with a 200gr LSWC. Velocity should be in the 1100-1200 fps range. You should have less leading and it is a good plinking/carry load. I will keep looking for the AAC #7 load.

AKHunter · 07-18-2008, 01:15 AM

One of my Nosler manuals has a 200grn jacketed bullet using Unique starting at 7.0grns up to 8.0 grns. 818fps up to 948fps. .44SPL

.44Mag 200grn jacketed bullet AA-No.7 17.4grns up to 18.4grns max.
1450fps to 1580fps.

Speer manual .44Mag 200grn jacketed, Unique 12.3grns to 13.3grns Max.
1296 to 1368fps.

Hornady manual, 200grn jacketed, Unique 12.4grns to 13.0grns Max., 1400fps to 1450fps.

A second Nosler manual I have lists 200grn jacketed, AANo.7 16.8grns to 17.8grns Max, 1390 to 1460fps

Interestingly, the barrel manufacturer, barrel length, rate of twist and bullet manufacturer listed in the Nosler manuals are indentical.
Douglas barrel, 8.25", 1-20 twist, 200grn jacketed HP

billy · 07-18-2008, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gandog56

Lee Modern Reloading Second edition:

.44 magnum 200 gr. lead bullet
AA#7.16.8-18.7 grains 1353-1538 fps Min OAL 1.595"
Unique 12.0-13.0 grains 1367-1475 fps Min OAL 1.575"
'

those loads sure sound like they are going to lead up my barrels.

runfiverun · 07-18-2008, 07:52 AM

those loads sound like they will lead up my bbls...........haw haw haw haw
buying commercial cast...haw haw hah a haw hawhaw..
i can get over 1500 in my 10" d.w. with cast 240 gr bullets.
did i mention that i don't clean my bbls , ever. and they cost like .02 not .10.

billy · 07-18-2008, 07:53 AM

haw haw haw
thanks for nothing

Cyrille · 07-18-2008, 07:55 AM

Billy; MY Lee Modern Reloading 2d edition Manual makes no mention of AA#7 or Unique for loading a 200 gr. lead bullet. It does list Titegroup,Universal,HP38 and Clays on pg.646 second from the top. I find no mention of any of the loads suggested above this post. cravat shooter! I suggest you beg, borrow or purloin the oft quoted manual and check it out for yourself.

jimkim · 07-18-2008, 08:31 AM

Heres an old trick. Use the top end 44 special loads as the starting point for mild 44 mag loads. There are plenty of 200 gr 44 spec recipes using AAC #7 and Unique. I believe this was also mentioned in a Hornady Manual from the early eighties.

Reloading the .44 Magnum

"The loading manuals do not have a lot of data on powder-puff loads for the .44 Magnum. One approach you can take is to use .44 Special loading data and load from the top. For example, Vihtavouri shows its "softest" load with N-320, a 180-grain Hornady XTP, as being 10.2 grains and 1,300 fps. (It is all of that!) If you want a softer load, the .44 Special data tops out at 7.5 grains of N-320 for 1,033 fps. In the longer Magnum case, 7.5 grains and a 180 Hornady delivers 959 fps out of my 4-inch Model 29. "

gandog56 · 07-18-2008, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy

those loads sure sound like they are going to lead up my barrels.

Didn't say I would use them, just that's what my manual says. I stick to jacketed for my .44 mag and .454 Casull. I slip in some lower velocity moly coated for .357 mag and 10mm.

gandog56 · 07-18-2008, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyrille

Billy; MY Lee Modern Reloading 2d edition Manual makes no mention of AA#7 or Unique for loading a 200 gr. lead bullet. It does list Titegroup,Universal,HP38 and Clays on pg.646 second from the top. I find no mention of any of the loads suggested above this post. cravat shooter! I suggest you beg, borrow or purloin the oft quoted manual and check it out for yourself.

Page 645 plain as day.

samuel · 07-18-2008, 03:30 PM

I would just use the same loads you are using in your .45SA,s.It would be just a tidbit more pressure but should be well under any major leading problem.Should still be around 1000fps. sam.

jimkim · 07-18-2008, 03:36 PM

Sam have you ever heard of using 45acp loads in 44 special and 44 magnum?

Cyrille · 07-18-2008, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gandog56

Page 645 plain as day.

and Billy stated in his post a 200gr.l rnfp, plain as day.[lead round nose flat point] What you have posted are the listings for the 200gr. jacketed bullet.

samuel · 07-18-2008, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimkim

Sam have you ever heard of using 45acp loads in 44 special and 44 magnum?

No,I never tried that.I would think it would come up short on pressure because of the difference in length of casings. sam.

jimkim · 07-18-2008, 05:44 PM

Thats what I was thinking. I think it might work for the special but I don't know about the magnum.

07-17-2008, 08:59 PM	#1
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toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,566 Blog Entries: 22	Hey buddy, the closest I can get is a 215 gr. cast bullet using a start load of 16.2 gr of AA#7 up to 18.3 gr. OAL is 1.560. I'd use this as a starting point and work up. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

07-17-2008, 10:23 PM	#4
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07-17-2008, 11:52 PM	#5
gandog56 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Montgomery, IL. Posts: 4,193	Lee Modern Reloading Second edition: .44 magnum 200 gr. lead bullet AA#7.16.8-18.7 grains 1353-1538 fps Min OAL 1.595" Unique 12.0-13.0 grains 1367-1475 fps Min OAL 1.575" '

07-18-2008, 12:36 AM	#7
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,040 Blog Entries: 11	Billy if you want a lower velocity load for that 200 grainer you can load it over 10gr of Unique. It is a Speer Reloading Manual No. 9 starting load for a 200gr jacketed bullet. I have used it with a 200gr LSWC. Velocity should be in the 1100-1200 fps range. You should have less leading and it is a good plinking/carry load. I will keep looking for the AAC #7 load. __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim Last edited by jimkim; 07-18-2008 at 03:57 AM.

07-18-2008, 01:15 AM	#8
AKHunter Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 899	One of my Nosler manuals has a 200grn jacketed bullet using Unique starting at 7.0grns up to 8.0 grns. 818fps up to 948fps. .44SPL .44Mag 200grn jacketed bullet AA-No.7 17.4grns up to 18.4grns max. 1450fps to 1580fps. Speer manual .44Mag 200grn jacketed, Unique 12.3grns to 13.3grns Max. 1296 to 1368fps. Hornady manual, 200grn jacketed, Unique 12.4grns to 13.0grns Max., 1400fps to 1450fps. A second Nosler manual I have lists 200grn jacketed, AANo.7 16.8grns to 17.8grns Max, 1390 to 1460fps Interestingly, the barrel manufacturer, barrel length, rate of twist and bullet manufacturer listed in the Nosler manuals are indentical. Douglas barrel, 8.25", 1-20 twist, 200grn jacketed HP

07-18-2008, 07:52 AM	#10
runfiverun Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: soda springs idaho Posts: 273	those loads sound like they will lead up my bbls...........haw haw haw haw buying commercial cast...haw haw hah a haw hawhaw.. i can get over 1500 in my 10" d.w. with cast 240 gr bullets. did i mention that i don't clean my bbls , ever. and they cost like .02 not .10.

07-18-2008, 07:53 AM	#11
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,970 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	haw haw haw thanks for nothing __________________ just leave britney ALONE! she's going thru a hard time snivel sniff....WAH

07-18-2008, 07:55 AM	#12
Cyrille Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 1,836	Billy; MY Lee Modern Reloading 2d edition Manual makes no mention of AA#7 or Unique for loading a 200 gr. lead bullet. It does list Titegroup,Universal,HP38 and Clays on pg.646 second from the top. I find no mention of any of the loads suggested above this post. cravat shooter! I suggest you beg, borrow or purloin the oft quoted manual and check it out for yourself.

07-18-2008, 08:31 AM	#13
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,040 Blog Entries: 11	Heres an old trick. Use the top end 44 special loads as the starting point for mild 44 mag loads. There are plenty of 200 gr 44 spec recipes using AAC #7 and Unique. I believe this was also mentioned in a Hornady Manual from the early eighties. Reloading the .44 Magnum "The loading manuals do not have a lot of data on powder-puff loads for the .44 Magnum. One approach you can take is to use .44 Special loading data and load from the top. For example, Vihtavouri shows its "softest" load with N-320, a 180-grain Hornady XTP, as being 10.2 grains and 1,300 fps. (It is all of that!) If you want a softer load, the .44 Special data tops out at 7.5 grains of N-320 for 1,033 fps. In the longer Magnum case, 7.5 grains and a 180 Hornady delivers 959 fps out of my 4-inch Model 29. " __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim

07-18-2008, 03:30 PM	#16
samuel Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 5,087	I would just use the same loads you are using in your .45SA,s.It would be just a tidbit more pressure but should be well under any major leading problem.Should still be around 1000fps. sam.

07-18-2008, 03:36 PM	#17
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,040 Blog Entries: 11	Sam have you ever heard of using 45acp loads in 44 special and 44 magnum? __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim

07-18-2008, 05:44 PM	#20
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,040 Blog Entries: 11	Thats what I was thinking. I think it might work for the special but I don't know about the magnum. __________________ Jan. 4, 2007...Gasoline $2.10/gallon HMMM? Jim