boolit weight variations and other ?s

billy · 09-22-2008, 09:30 PM

boolit weight variations and other ?s
i have about 75 of these boolits
and am trying to get a load that shoots like you big boys manage.
i have a 50th ann.n.m. blackhawk .44
these boolits weigh in around 307 gr.
i am in the process of sorting them to get groups that weigh the same.
how close is close enough?

i tried 7.2 gr. of russian unique today at 25 yds. and the results were miserable.
i am pretty good at shooting off of bags so i know that isnt my problem.
i got leading at the chamber end of the bbl. in 25 shots.
not terrible but it's there.
do i HAVE to use G.C.'s at these velocities?

these boolits at the bottom band are right around .434.(not where the G.C. goes)
do i need to buy a sizer?

the powders i have are
russian unique
9mm NATO powder similar to Accurate#7
Trail boss
and a little bit of
Greendot

due to the building slump here i am unemployed so moneys really tight.
i hope one of these powders will work.
thank you for your time once again.
bill

jimkim · 09-22-2008, 09:44 PM

Bill use a little COW under the bullet. It will act like a gascheck in a straight-walled case.

billy · 09-22-2008, 09:51 PM

that means i cant use my groovy dillon press the way it is supposed to be used.
having to stop the train for every single round would suck.
all of a sudden this aint so fun anymore....

jimkim · 09-22-2008, 10:00 PM

You could put another charging die in and drop the cow with it. By the way 10.0gr of Unique is a good midrange load with a 310gr 44cal bullet.

Handloader Issue #241 - July, 2006
310gr Cast,
Alliant Unique 10.0gr,
1043fps,

I think you may not be getting enough velocity for the bullet to stabilize.

billy · 09-22-2008, 10:27 PM

964 fps

billy · 09-22-2008, 10:28 PM

miserable was an understatement.
i couldnt get all six shots on a paper plate @ 25 yds.!

billy · 09-22-2008, 10:28 PM

i could have THROWN the gun and at least hit the target

jimkim · 09-22-2008, 10:32 PM

Dang! how much leading did you get? Were the bullets tumbling?

billy · 09-22-2008, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimkim

Dang! how much leading did you get? Were the bullets tumbling?

no they werent tumbling and i got some not a lot of leading

jimkim · 09-22-2008, 10:43 PM

That is odd. Maybe you do need to size them. I don't know. Maybe Rich will have some ideas.

billy · 09-22-2008, 10:46 PM

my two best groups @ 25 yds.

billy · 09-23-2008, 12:11 AM

i am trying to be methodical.
size these bullets?
they take considerable force to get through the cylinder

billy · 09-23-2008, 06:19 AM

i think i am going to buy a sizer.
some day when i have the money...

billy · 09-23-2008, 08:10 AM

i have another option
a BUDDY is willing to pour me bullets

i can get a bunch more of these.
245gr.
they are right at .431

GlockMeister · 09-23-2008, 08:34 AM

Please explain COW? lol

billy · 09-23-2008, 08:40 AM

cream of wheat

jimkim · 09-23-2008, 08:51 AM

Take a few loaded rounds and run them into your sizing die(without the pin). Then see if that helps.

GlockMeister · 09-23-2008, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billy

cream of wheat

NO WAY? lol Can't tell when you're serious and when you're not? lol

jimkim · 09-23-2008, 09:13 AM

Yep It's cream of wheat. It is used as a filler. We also use grits and cornmeal.

billy · 09-23-2008, 09:14 AM

yes it is real.
ive never used it but it's an old reloader trick.

09-22-2008, 09:30 PM	#1
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,236 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	boolit weight variations and other ?s boolit weight variations and other ?s i have about 75 of these boolits and am trying to get a load that shoots like you big boys manage. i have a 50th ann.n.m. blackhawk .44 these boolits weigh in around 307 gr. i am in the process of sorting them to get groups that weigh the same. how close is close enough? i tried 7.2 gr. of russian unique today at 25 yds. and the results were miserable. i am pretty good at shooting off of bags so i know that isnt my problem. i got leading at the chamber end of the bbl. in 25 shots. not terrible but it's there. do i HAVE to use G.C.'s at these velocities? these boolits at the bottom band are right around .434.(not where the G.C. goes) do i need to buy a sizer? the powders i have are russian unique 9mm NATO powder similar to Accurate#7 Trail boss and a little bit of Greendot due to the building slump here i am unemployed so moneys really tight. i hope one of these powders will work. thank you for your time once again. bill __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

09-22-2008, 09:51 PM	#3
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,236 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	that means i cant use my groovy dillon press the way it is supposed to be used. having to stop the train for every single round would suck. all of a sudden this aint so fun anymore.... __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

09-22-2008, 10:00 PM	#4
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,288 Blog Entries: 15	You could put another charging die in and drop the cow with it. By the way 10.0gr of Unique is a good midrange load with a 310gr 44cal bullet. Handloader Issue #241 - July, 2006 310gr Cast, Alliant Unique 10.0gr, 1043fps, I think you may not be getting enough velocity for the bullet to stabilize. __________________ "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." Last edited by jimkim; 09-22-2008 at 10:03 PM.

09-22-2008, 10:27 PM	#5
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,236 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	964 fps __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

09-22-2008, 10:28 PM	#6
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,236 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	miserable was an understatement. i couldnt get all six shots on a paper plate @ 25 yds.! __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

09-22-2008, 09:44 PM	#2
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,288 Blog Entries: 15	Bill use a little COW under the bullet. It will act like a gascheck in a straight-walled case. __________________ "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."

09-22-2008, 10:32 PM	#8
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,288 Blog Entries: 15	Dang! how much leading did you get? Were the bullets tumbling? __________________ "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."

09-22-2008, 10:43 PM	#10
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,288 Blog Entries: 15	That is odd. Maybe you do need to size them. I don't know. Maybe Rich will have some ideas. __________________ "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."

09-22-2008, 10:46 PM	#11
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,236 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	my two best groups @ 25 yds. __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

09-23-2008, 12:11 AM	#12
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,236 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	i am trying to be methodical. size these bullets? they take considerable force to get through the cylinder __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

09-23-2008, 06:19 AM	#13
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,236 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	i think i am going to buy a sizer. some day when i have the money... __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell Last edited by billy; 09-23-2008 at 07:02 AM.

09-23-2008, 08:10 AM	#14
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,236 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	i have another option a BUDDY is willing to pour me bullets i can get a bunch more of these. 245gr. they are right at .431 __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

09-23-2008, 08:34 AM	#15
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 6,257	Please explain COW? lol __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

09-23-2008, 08:40 AM	#16
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,236 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	cream of wheat __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

09-23-2008, 08:51 AM	#17
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,288 Blog Entries: 15	Take a few loaded rounds and run them into your sizing die(without the pin). Then see if that helps. __________________ "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."

09-23-2008, 09:13 AM	#19
jimkim Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near the Little Ocmulgee river in GA Posts: 2,288 Blog Entries: 15	Yep It's cream of wheat. It is used as a filler. We also use grits and cornmeal. __________________ "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."

09-23-2008, 09:14 AM	#20
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,236 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	yes it is real. ive never used it but it's an old reloader trick. __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell