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Old 11-08-2010, 07:32 AM   #1
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Question Is this Laser-Sight worth $70+?

My guess (from reading a bit) is that this sight --> https://www.centerfireguns.com/index...=checkout.cart may not be up to the recoil of a .45ACP. Anyone care to offer an opinion?

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Old 11-08-2010, 11:47 PM   #2
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Was this a bad question?
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Old 11-08-2010, 11:58 PM   #3
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Was this a bad question?

The link takes me to a check out page on a website with nothing in the cart???????
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Old 11-09-2010, 12:17 AM   #4
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The link takes me to a check out page on a website with nothing in the cart???????
I apologize, it WAS a bad question (!) ... here it is ... I am going to have to dig to get more info than this page is providing ...


Hi-Point Firearms Polymer 45 ACP - Guns for sale at CenterfireGuns
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Old 11-09-2010, 12:17 AM   #5
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Bad link, try again.

OK, you corrected when I was typing! But, IMO, clamp-on doodads like that are nothing but junk and headaches waiting to happen. The HP.45, I'd like to have one. But the laser? NFW.
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Old 11-09-2010, 12:25 AM   #6
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Bad link, try again.
OK, you corrected when I was typing! But, IMO, clamp-on doodads like that are nothing but junk and headaches waiting to happen. The HP.45, I'd like to have one. But the laser? NFW.
Thanks - that was my gut-feeling (I have NO experience with laser sights), and then by doing a little reading I figured that durn thang would probably be dangling from the barrel in no time considering the kick of the .45 - thanks again...
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I don't see any information there about the laser sight. My gut feeling is that it appears to be an afterthought, not something engineered for a specific purpose.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:51 AM   #8
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Thanks - that was my gut-feeling (I have NO experience with laser sights), and then by doing a little reading I figured that durn thang would probably be dangling from the barrel in no time considering the kick of the .45 - thanks again...
I don't think the recoil of the .45 would knock it off the gun, but keeping that p.o.s. sighted in would be a challenge to say the least. Not to mention banging it against everything within 100 yards, and where/how ya gonna holster it?

GOOD laser sights ARE a good idea, for limited applications like self-defense. Crimson Trace Lasergrips are outstanding products, I have a set on my carry gun, a Compact 1911. But people have to realize they're for self-defense, and can only provide you minute-of-bad-guy accuracy. They're NOT magic talismans for target shooting, and they're NOT bad guy deterrents.

Can they scare off a bad guy? Sure. So can a dog, approaching car, or you finest Mr. T "Ima gonna kick your ass" scowl.

Can they be used for target shooting? Sure. As long as you realize that they're only dead-on at the exact distance that you have them sighted-in at, where the bullet path and the laser path converge. Move the target forward or aft of that exact spot, and the bullet WON'T hit exactly where the dot is, I guarantee it. Close enough for self-defense ranges, yes. But the bullet path and the laser are on two different planes.

If you're facing an armed assailant at typical self-defense distances, and you can get the dot on his chest, you'll most likely hit him. The laser is for getting the shot on-target in high stress situations when you can't use the sights. If you can dot him, you got him.
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I suggest you save up another $150 and grab a Rock Island 1911 unless you already have a HiPoint.
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The easiest laser to deal with is the new Laserlyte rear sight...it combines a laser with a rear sight blade.

Google 'em
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:04 PM   #11
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I suggest you save up another $150 and grab a Rock Island 1911 unless you already have a HiPoint.
Why? For another $150 he could have 2 pistols for the price of 1? .45, 40, or 9mm........................

I really wish people would say "WHY" they disagree with "whatever", rather than just say "get another one."
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I don't think the recoil of the .45 would knock it off the gun, but keeping that p.o.s. sighted in would be a challenge to say the least. Not to mention banging it against everything within 100 yards, and where/how ya gonna holster it?

GOOD laser sights ARE a good idea, for limited applications like self-defense. Crimson Trace Lasergrips are outstanding products, I have a set on my carry gun, a Compact 1911. But people have to realize they're for self-defense, and can only provide you minute-of-bad-guy accuracy. They're NOT magic talismans for target shooting, and they're NOT bad guy deterrents.

Can they scare off a bad guy? Sure. So can a dog, approaching car, or you finest Mr. T "Ima gonna kick your ass" scowl.

Can they be used for target shooting? Sure. As long as you realize that they're only dead-on at the exact distance that you have them sighted-in at, where the bullet path and the laser path converge. Move the target forward or aft of that exact spot, and the bullet WON'T hit exactly where the dot is, I guarantee it. Close enough for self-defense ranges, yes. But the bullet path and the laser are on two different planes.

If you're facing an armed assailant at typical self-defense distances, and you can get the dot on his chest, you'll most likely hit him. The laser is for getting the shot on-target in high stress situations when you can't use the sights. If you can dot him, you got him.
Yeah...I was being facetious here...I didn't actually mean the sight would LITERALLY be hanging off (or hanging ON), and uh, the rest of the stuff I realize as well - but thanks just the same.
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Old 11-09-2010, 09:37 PM   #13
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I suggest you save up another $150 and grab a Rock Island 1911 unless you already have a HiPoint.
I do not already have the Hi-Point, but I gotta ask: "Why"?
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I had a HiPoint C9 and was in fact an advocate for them for a long time. After sending it back for warranty repair about 4 times, I just washed my hands of them. The Rock Island 1911s are well built, run 100%, and utilize common parts and magazines. I like the idea of the HiPoint, but I really dislike how every time something broke, I had to send it back. They would not send me the parts for me to fix it myself. Rock Islands are solid, well made, take readily available 1911 parts, and shoot .45ACP. Perfect combo for me. They are also cheap enough to compete with stuff like HiPoints.
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I had a HiPoint C9 and was in fact an advocate for them for a long time. After sending it back for warranty repair about 4 times, I just washed my hands of them. The Rock Island 1911s are well built, run 100%, and utilize common parts and magazines. I like the idea of the HiPoint, but I really dislike how every time something broke, I had to send it back. They would not send me the parts for me to fix it myself. Rock Islands are solid, well made, take readily available 1911 parts, and shoot .45ACP. Perfect combo for me. They are also cheap enough to compete with stuff like HiPoints.
Thanks for taking the time to explain...good, valid points all.

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A big X2 from me about the RIA's! I have three of them, great pistols for the price. Wouldn't mind having a few more, but rarely get to shoot the guns I already have.
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I had a HiPoint C9 and was in fact an advocate for them for a long time. After sending it back for warranty repair about 4 times, I just washed my hands of them. The Rock Island 1911s are well built, run 100%, and utilize common parts and magazines. I like the idea of the HiPoint, but I really dislike how every time something broke, I had to send it back. They would not send me the parts for me to fix it myself. Rock Islands are solid, well made, take readily available 1911 parts, and shoot .45ACP. Perfect combo for me. They are also cheap enough to compete with stuff like HiPoints.
Thank you for actually explaining why....

To be honest, I did a Google search for "Rock Island "bad".....................

Also did a Google search on Hi-Point....

Had a hard time finding anything on the Rock Island that was bad...

I will check out Rock Island... .38 super.........
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Thank you for actually explaining why....

To be honest, I did a Google search for "Rock Island "bad".....................

Also did a Google search on Hi-Point....

Had a hard time finding anything on the Rock Island that was bad...

I will check out Rock Island... .38 super.........
Whenever I'm "looking for problems" (that sounds AWFUL!?!), I do a search on the name of the product or service, and then add "problem" AND "problems" --> I didn't go through these, but you may want to...

https://encrypted.google.com/search?...AAAKoEBU_Q29di

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Whenever I'm "looking for problems" (that sounds AWFUL!?!), I do a search on the name of the product or service, and then add "problem" AND "problems" --> I didn't go through these, but you may want to...

https://encrypted.google.com/search?...AAAKoEBU_Q29di

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Who you peeing on...........Most of those were for the same thing...no biggie,

I'll still look into them, especially the .38 super.

You can get a gem or a lemon with anything you buy, luck of the draw.

I love my Hi-Point....a lot do not.....BUT for $400 I would rather have 2 pistols than 1.
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Quote:       Originally Posted by Ambidextrous View Post
Whenever I'm "looking for problems" (that sounds AWFUL!?!), I do a search on the name of the product or service, and then add "problem" AND "problems" --> I didn't go through these, but you may want to...

https://encrypted.google.com/search?...AAAKoEBU_Q29di

Never enjoy peeing on anyones parade, but on the other hand I tend to be frank...and I try not to sugar-coat anything either...

Best,
Glenn...

And if you notice, all of those problems can be fixed by a competent pistolsmith (like me) in about 30 seconds. Failure to Feed usually means the feed ramp needs to be polished because they were trying to shoot hollow points in it. Rock Islands are MilSpec, not civilian spec. You NEED to polish the feed ramp if you want to shoot anything besides 230gr ball. :-).


The RIA Tactical models seem to not have this problem however, not sure why.

One other problem I noticed was a "Mag Catch Problem". Have you ever seen how easy it is to swap a mag catch on a 1911? Or how long it takes to do? :-). Much better than waiting 3 weeks on a shipment. I'd rather keep my pistol than mess with shipments.
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