Slings for Accuracy

jrswanson1 · 06-20-2007, 10:05 AM

Hi all,

I just bought a new, classic leather sling for my Rem 700. While it is handy for carrying said rifle, I would like some feedback on what the folks here would use for precision shooting with a bolt rifle. What do the current military snipers use, and is that available for civlians? Thanks for the input.

Jim

bigandrich44 · 06-20-2007, 10:47 AM

Your not gonna be able to use a sling for PRECISION long range shooting, you can, but you'll have better results using a bipod or benchrest. The military snipers use Harris Bipods, and have to privately purchase their slings.

lefty o · 06-20-2007, 05:36 PM

a good quality sling can be used as an aide to precision long range shooting. take a look at military repro's made by Turners. also the 1 1/4" montana sling, and latigo by brownells. the normal "slings"( more or less a strap) that the average hunter uses is absolutely useless. sinclair intnl also sells some that position shooters use. dont let anybody tell you that a sling is not usefull for long range shooting.

bigandrich44 · 06-20-2007, 06:14 PM

I meant at 1000 yards lefty. Personally, I use a sling myself when hunting.

lefty o · 06-20-2007, 10:06 PM

ever heard of camp perry. shooting at 1000yds with only a sling. precision shooting is quite possible with a sling.

bigandrich44 · 06-20-2007, 10:18 PM

Yes, but how many rounds do those guys fire during the year? Certainly not possible for your average joe.

lefty o · 06-20-2007, 10:38 PM

correct, the average guy that shoots a couple of times a year is not capable of shooting well with, or without a sling. this is why i also believe the average hunter does not belong shooting at animals at over 100yds. if you are going to be good at something practice is a requirement.

time of flight · 06-21-2007, 01:49 AM

bipods,sticks, and the sort are great and have there place. But when in a hunting situation there's nothing worse then the sound that the harris bipods make "that springing sound" i cant recall the number of guys i have seen cry after they in hast have droped the legs on there bipods and to there surprize watched there target get up an run away.

so look at different techniques for shooting with a sling and practice them .it will pay to practice even in your lounge room or range.

jrswanson1 · 06-21-2007, 08:55 AM

Well, my intent is to shoot as much as possible, in a variety of positions. I will be using the rifle for mostly deer, but I would eventually like to go after pronghorn, goats, and sheep. Being able to shoot accurately using a non-supported position makes me a better shooter. I feel a good sling is necessary when kneeling and sitting. Lefty, if you have a link for those slings, I would appreciate it if you could post them. I will be looking them up myself, but for future reference for others, links would help out. Thanks to you both.

Jim

ezearln · 06-21-2007, 12:37 PM

Well when I was competing we used a standard sling and one very thick glove on the offhand to lock in, you got so tight into a position you'd pinch a finger off if you didn't have that glove on! Especially in the prone position.

bigandrich44 · 06-21-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jrswanson1

Well, my intent is to shoot as much as possible, in a variety of positions. I will be using the rifle for mostly deer, but I would eventually like to go after pronghorn, goats, and sheep. Being able to shoot accurately using a non-supported position makes me a better shooter. I feel a good sling is necessary when kneeling and sitting. Lefty, if you have a link for those slings, I would appreciate it if you could post them. I will be looking them up myself, but for future reference for others, links would help out. Thanks to you both.

Jim

My advice, invest into a bipod. Alot steadier, when used correctly. You can still have a sling with a bipod too. That means you've covered all shooting positions from prone to offhand.

Otter · 06-21-2007, 03:48 PM

Watch a CMP or Service rifle match, see how the shooters are useing the sling to pull the rifle into the non-shooting hand.

bigandrich44 · 06-21-2007, 04:07 PM

I use that method too otter. You wrap your arm in the sling. Very steady, but can be better. Thats why Im suggesting a bipod.

JBS · 06-22-2007, 12:01 AM

That's a hasty sling you're talking about B&R44 You would do well to adhere to the advice given and take a look at some long range shooters when they are in full shooting position. You don't wrap your arm in the sling. There's instructions on the proper use of the sling. If you can't find them in a book, Google it. If you ever get a chance, put on a leather shooting jacket and glove with the sling in place on your upper arm and hit the prone...you'll see a whole new world of shooting. Makes "Hard Holding" a lot easier and 1000 meters looks a little more friendly. Honestly, I've only shot 1000 meters when I was on the 82d Airborne Rifle Team. That was a looong time ago.

ezearln · 06-22-2007, 01:06 AM

Truth be told JBS that tight sling locked down in the prone position can be a lil painful but sure stedied the business end of that M14... and "Man sized targets get a whole lot easier to hit for a certainty

JBS · 06-22-2007, 01:33 AM

Yes, it is painful if you got it on real good. I shot man size targets with muh M-16. Competetion is where i used the lead jacket and sling. I only used it in the prone and standing. Never won a dam thang but sure got to shoot a lot. We were issued NM M-14s. I was fair but those fat old civilian shooters were ...well, let's just say we were "outclassed" and let it go at that. To learn Humility at an early age is a good thing.

You up kinda' early dis mornin aintcha?

ezearln · 06-22-2007, 02:08 AM

Actually up a lil late have one **** of a toothache or somethin in thar and haven't quite sedated myself enuff with JB to allow me to sleep, took a pain pill (I think it was Vicadin) last night and hated how I felt in the morning from it, guess I never have to worry about abusing them. Would rather have the taste of JB in my mouth that that horrid feeling from that dayem pill

JBS · 06-22-2007, 11:55 AM

Understand completely

bigandrich44 · 06-22-2007, 12:34 PM

OK JBS, might have to look that up. Might save me $100 on buying a Harris Bipod.

JBS · 06-22-2007, 01:55 PM

B&R...I have a Harris Bi-Pod and use it on several of muh rifles. It's OK, But, a sling is good too and can be used in all 3 positions. Anyhow, every time my heart beats, muh gun jumps, with the Harris. I know you're supposed to fire between heartbeats, but I'm usually thinkin' about Mary Ellen (ol' gal I used to know down in Arkansas) and lose muh concentration on heartbeats and have to start all over. Anyhow, if you put the sling on properly, and if you don't snug it up 'till you cut the cirulation off, you can carry yer rifle in the field at the High Port and be ready to drop into the sitting position really fast. Standing too. Just do lots of dry runs and get used to it.

06-20-2007, 10:05 AM	#1
jrswanson1 Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 54 Trader Rating: (0)	Slings for Accuracy Hi all, I just bought a new, classic leather sling for my Rem 700. While it is handy for carrying said rifle, I would like some feedback on what the folks here would use for precision shooting with a bolt rifle. What do the current military snipers use, and is that available for civlians? Thanks for the input. Jim

06-20-2007, 10:47 AM	#2
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013 Trader Rating: (0)	Your not gonna be able to use a sling for PRECISION long range shooting, you can, but you'll have better results using a bipod or benchrest. The military snipers use Harris Bipods, and have to privately purchase their slings. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

06-20-2007, 06:14 PM	#4
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013 Trader Rating: (0)	I meant at 1000 yards lefty. Personally, I use a sling myself when hunting. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

06-20-2007, 10:18 PM	#6
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013 Trader Rating: (0)	Yes, but how many rounds do those guys fire during the year? Certainly not possible for your average joe. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

06-21-2007, 12:37 PM	#10
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,178 Trader Rating: (0)	Well when I was competing we used a standard sling and one very thick glove on the offhand to lock in, you got so tight into a position you'd pinch a finger off if you didn't have that glove on! Especially in the prone position. __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

06-20-2007, 05:36 PM	#3
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,691 Trader Rating: (0)	a good quality sling can be used as an aide to precision long range shooting. take a look at military repro's made by Turners. also the 1 1/4" montana sling, and latigo by brownells. the normal "slings"( more or less a strap) that the average hunter uses is absolutely useless. sinclair intnl also sells some that position shooters use. dont let anybody tell you that a sling is not usefull for long range shooting.

06-20-2007, 10:06 PM	#5
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,691 Trader Rating: (0)	ever heard of camp perry. shooting at 1000yds with only a sling. precision shooting is quite possible with a sling.

06-20-2007, 10:38 PM	#7
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,691 Trader Rating: (0)	correct, the average guy that shoots a couple of times a year is not capable of shooting well with, or without a sling. this is why i also believe the average hunter does not belong shooting at animals at over 100yds. if you are going to be good at something practice is a requirement.

06-21-2007, 01:49 AM	#8
time of flight Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: varmint central NSW Posts: 20 Trader Rating: (0)	bipods,sticks, and the sort are great and have there place. But when in a hunting situation there's nothing worse then the sound that the harris bipods make "that springing sound" i cant recall the number of guys i have seen cry after they in hast have droped the legs on there bipods and to there surprize watched there target get up an run away. so look at different techniques for shooting with a sling and practice them .it will pay to practice even in your lounge room or range.

06-21-2007, 08:55 AM	#9
jrswanson1 Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 54 Trader Rating: (0)	Well, my intent is to shoot as much as possible, in a variety of positions. I will be using the rifle for mostly deer, but I would eventually like to go after pronghorn, goats, and sheep. Being able to shoot accurately using a non-supported position makes me a better shooter. I feel a good sling is necessary when kneeling and sitting. Lefty, if you have a link for those slings, I would appreciate it if you could post them. I will be looking them up myself, but for future reference for others, links would help out. Thanks to you both. Jim

06-21-2007, 03:48 PM	#12
Otter Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 940 Trader Rating: (0)	Watch a CMP or Service rifle match, see how the shooters are useing the sling to pull the rifle into the non-shooting hand. __________________ Life is too important to be taken seriously.

06-21-2007, 04:07 PM	#13
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013 Trader Rating: (0)	I use that method too otter. You wrap your arm in the sling. Very steady, but can be better. Thats why Im suggesting a bipod. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

06-22-2007, 12:01 AM	#14
JBS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 757 Trader Rating: (0)	That's a hasty sling you're talking about B&R44 You would do well to adhere to the advice given and take a look at some long range shooters when they are in full shooting position. You don't wrap your arm in the sling. There's instructions on the proper use of the sling. If you can't find them in a book, Google it. If you ever get a chance, put on a leather shooting jacket and glove with the sling in place on your upper arm and hit the prone...you'll see a whole new world of shooting. Makes "Hard Holding" a lot easier and 1000 meters looks a little more friendly. Honestly, I've only shot 1000 meters when I was on the 82d Airborne Rifle Team. That was a looong time ago. Last edited by JBS; 06-22-2007 at 12:16 AM.

06-22-2007, 01:06 AM	#15
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,178 Trader Rating: (0)	Truth be told JBS that tight sling locked down in the prone position can be a lil painful but sure stedied the business end of that M14... and "Man sized targets get a whole lot easier to hit for a certainty __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

06-22-2007, 01:33 AM	#16
JBS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 757 Trader Rating: (0)	Yes, it is painful if you got it on real good. I shot man size targets with muh M-16. Competetion is where i used the lead jacket and sling. I only used it in the prone and standing. Never won a dam thang but sure got to shoot a lot. We were issued NM M-14s. I was fair but those fat old civilian shooters were ...well, let's just say we were "outclassed" and let it go at that. To learn Humility at an early age is a good thing. You up kinda' early dis mornin aintcha? Last edited by JBS; 06-22-2007 at 01:36 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

06-22-2007, 02:08 AM	#17
ezearln Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 3,178 Trader Rating: (0)	Actually up a lil late have one **** of a toothache or somethin in thar and haven't quite sedated myself enuff with JB to allow me to sleep, took a pain pill (I think it was Vicadin) last night and hated how I felt in the morning from it, guess I never have to worry about abusing them. Would rather have the taste of JB in my mouth that that horrid feeling from that dayem pill __________________ "You can have my Freedom when I'm done with it!"

06-22-2007, 11:55 AM	#18
JBS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 757 Trader Rating: (0)	Understand completely

06-22-2007, 12:34 PM	#19
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013 Trader Rating: (0)	OK JBS, might have to look that up. Might save me $100 on buying a Harris Bipod. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

06-22-2007, 01:55 PM	#20
JBS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 757 Trader Rating: (0)	B&R...I have a Harris Bi-Pod and use it on several of muh rifles. It's OK, But, a sling is good too and can be used in all 3 positions. Anyhow, every time my heart beats, muh gun jumps, with the Harris. I know you're supposed to fire between heartbeats, but I'm usually thinkin' about Mary Ellen (ol' gal I used to know down in Arkansas) and lose muh concentration on heartbeats and have to start all over. Anyhow, if you put the sling on properly, and if you don't snug it up 'till you cut the cirulation off, you can carry yer rifle in the field at the High Port and be ready to drop into the sitting position really fast. Standing too. Just do lots of dry runs and get used to it.