We Must Pull Out Now!!!

Oxford · 01-04-2004, 10:20 PM

It is time to take a serious look at our involvement there. Every day
there are news reports about more deaths. Every night on the TV
are photos of death and destruction.

Why are we still there? The land is too large to secure all of it. The
bad people causing this damage can roam anywhere, and we can't
possibly police the whole place.

Why are we still there? We occupied this land, which we had to
take by force, and it continues to cause us nothing but trouble.

Why are we still there? Their government is unstable, and in the
process of changing.

Why are we still there?> Refugees are fleeing by the thousands,
driven from their homes.

Why are we still there? It will cost billions to rebuild, which we
can't afford.

Why are we still there? There are more than 1000 religious sects.
We can't even secure the borders.

Why are we still there? And to repeat. Every day we hear of
more Americans killed in this dangerous land.

It is clear! We MUST abandon California!

PAPA G · 01-04-2004, 10:23 PM

N.J.:nod:

jerry · 01-04-2004, 10:25 PM

Funny,
My wife says she will follow me anywhere.........................'cept California.

We used to have a member or two, wasn't 8MM Vigilante from Cal.?

01-04-2004, 10:42 PM

we have to stay the course in the middle east...get our troops out of their territory and park some aircraft carriers out there
:jet:

Oxford · 01-05-2004, 12:22 AM

Just a joke guys! Did you first think I was writing about Iraq?

Personally, I'm 100% behind Bush's actions.:nod:

Oxford · 01-05-2004, 12:50 AM

That's for sure after the last big one a couple of weeks ago. They'll soon become another island state.

01-05-2004, 06:01 AM

j/k...sorry I had a blonde moment

deadaim13 · 01-05-2004, 10:10 PM

yeah bomb california, i've been looking for an escuse to move to yuma.

-Mike

Despoiler · 01-05-2004, 10:36 PM

Hey now, We are changin, we got us new govenor, things are looking up.
all you guys just hear about is the coast not the rest of this great state, I have lived all over the US and I could not wait to get back to Cali, I love this place. Even with all the idiots....

Oxford · 01-06-2004, 12:33 AM

Allen T...I know what you've said is true. I was just joking with the above post. As usual, the minority of the population cause the others to get the same reputation as those troublemakers or weirdo's.

For what it's worth, I will usually speak up when someone generalizes about a subject, like I did above with this joke, but I made an exception to my better judgment and now I'm apologizing to you. But for the rest of those weirdo's there...what I said above stands!

Despoiler · 01-06-2004, 01:33 AM

Oxford, no need to apologize to me. Like I said I have lived all over the US.

I think the rest of the U.S. looks at California, Like the rest of the world looks at the U.S..

7mmag6 · 01-06-2004, 01:45 AM

Allen, man I take 10 steps out my door and im in a national forest, I can hunt, fish, hike, 20 miles away are wilderness, I can ride my horse and not see a soul for days on end,hunt elk, deer, you can have california, the smog, congestion, I sure dont envy it, id die living in a place like that, ill take this backwoods state any day

7mmag6 · 01-06-2004, 02:02 AM

allen this is 10 minutes from my front door, and thats walking

Despoiler · 01-06-2004, 03:11 AM

7mmag6,

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!!

You think all of California is like LA, I am here to tell you it is not, I grew up in RURAL El Dorado county, I learned how to hunt, fish and about the forest on my family propery. Our nearest neighbor was a half a mile down the street. Out our back door was the American River Divide

Now I live in Sacramento, about 30 mins from the family home (I have also just purchased some property and plan on building down the street from mom and dad). Most people I meet are just like me CONSERVITIVE. The problem with California are the coastal regions. Does Ca have too many gun laws HELL yes, can I get a mag that hold over 10 Rds hell no, can I change the laws? I am trying I am a NRA member, I vote in every election and I encourage others whom feel as I do to also vote for the pro gun canidate, but like I said before things are changin here.

Oxford · 01-06-2004, 10:29 AM

7Mmag6...that's a beautiful view where you live. Looks like a great place to trek if you're well prepared for that kind of environment.

Ox:nod:

7mmag6 · 01-07-2004, 01:39 AM

ox its high desert chapperal, huge open spaces, new mexico, montana, are sort of the last places of the wild west, I grew up back packing for weeks, snow showing, riding horses into the last wild ranges, I think allen did it as well

Oxford · 01-07-2004, 06:53 PM

7Mmag6...what kind of wild game lives there?
Also, are any domestic animals like cattle or sheep, etc. grazing in the areas you've mentioned?

oneastrix · 01-08-2004, 12:31 AM

Smog, conjestion....aren't you talking about San Antonio?

01-04-2004, 10:20 PM	#1
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	We Must Pull Out Now!!! It is time to take a serious look at our involvement there. Every day there are news reports about more deaths. Every night on the TV are photos of death and destruction. Why are we still there? The land is too large to secure all of it. The bad people causing this damage can roam anywhere, and we can't possibly police the whole place. Why are we still there? We occupied this land, which we had to take by force, and it continues to cause us nothing but trouble. Why are we still there? Their government is unstable, and in the process of changing. Why are we still there?> Refugees are fleeing by the thousands, driven from their homes. Why are we still there? It will cost billions to rebuild, which we can't afford. Why are we still there? There are more than 1000 religious sects. We can't even secure the borders. Why are we still there? And to repeat. Every day we hear of more Americans killed in this dangerous land. It is clear! We MUST abandon California! __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

01-04-2004, 10:23 PM	#2
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 11	next......................... N.J.:nod:

01-04-2004, 10:25 PM	#3
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,218 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	Funny, My wife says she will follow me anywhere.........................'cept California. We used to have a member or two, wasn't 8MM Vigilante from Cal.? __________________ Joe the plumber is screwed

01-04-2004, 10:42 PM	#4
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	whatever happened to 8mm ? we have to stay the course in the middle east...get our troops out of their territory and park some aircraft carriers out there :jet:

01-05-2004, 12:22 AM	#5
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	Just a joke guys! Did you first think I was writing about Iraq? Personally, I'm 100% behind Bush's actions.:nod: __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

01-05-2004, 12:50 AM	#6
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	That's for sure after the last big one a couple of weeks ago. They'll soon become another island state. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

01-05-2004, 06:01 AM	#7
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	we ought to bomb California too ! j/k...sorry I had a blonde moment

01-05-2004, 10:10 PM	#8
deadaim13 Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San diego, california, or northern mexico. Posts: 28	yeah bomb california, i've been looking for an escuse to move to yuma. -Mike __________________ Don't Drink and drive, don't drink and hunt either.My uncle... -Jeff Foxworthy

01-05-2004, 10:36 PM	#9
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,232	Hey now, We are changin, we got us new govenor, things are looking up. all you guys just hear about is the coast not the rest of this great state, I have lived all over the US and I could not wait to get back to Cali, I love this place. Even with all the idiots....

01-06-2004, 12:33 AM	#10
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	Allen T...I know what you've said is true. I was just joking with the above post. As usual, the minority of the population cause the others to get the same reputation as those troublemakers or weirdo's. For what it's worth, I will usually speak up when someone generalizes about a subject, like I did above with this joke, but I made an exception to my better judgment and now I'm apologizing to you. But for the rest of those weirdo's there...what I said above stands! __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

01-06-2004, 01:33 AM	#11
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,232	Oxford, no need to apologize to me. Like I said I have lived all over the US. I think the rest of the U.S. looks at California, Like the rest of the world looks at the U.S..

01-06-2004, 01:45 AM	#12
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	Allen, man I take 10 steps out my door and im in a national forest, I can hunt, fish, hike, 20 miles away are wilderness, I can ride my horse and not see a soul for days on end,hunt elk, deer, you can have california, the smog, congestion, I sure dont envy it, id die living in a place like that, ill take this backwoods state any day __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine

01-06-2004, 02:02 AM	#13
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	allen this is 10 minutes from my front door, and thats walking __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine Last edited by 7mmag6; 01-06-2004 at 02:05 AM.

01-06-2004, 03:11 AM	#14
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,232	7mmag6, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!! You think all of California is like LA, I am here to tell you it is not, I grew up in RURAL El Dorado county, I learned how to hunt, fish and about the forest on my family propery. Our nearest neighbor was a half a mile down the street. Out our back door was the American River Divide Now I live in Sacramento, about 30 mins from the family home (I have also just purchased some property and plan on building down the street from mom and dad). Most people I meet are just like me CONSERVITIVE. The problem with California are the coastal regions. Does Ca have too many gun laws HELL yes, can I get a mag that hold over 10 Rds hell no, can I change the laws? I am trying I am a NRA member, I vote in every election and I encourage others whom feel as I do to also vote for the pro gun canidate, but like I said before things are changin here. Last edited by Despoiler; 01-06-2004 at 03:18 AM.

01-06-2004, 10:29 AM	#15
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	7Mmag6...that's a beautiful view where you live. Looks like a great place to trek if you're well prepared for that kind of environment. Ox:nod: __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

01-07-2004, 01:39 AM	#16
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	ox its high desert chapperal, huge open spaces, new mexico, montana, are sort of the last places of the wild west, I grew up back packing for weeks, snow showing, riding horses into the last wild ranges, I think allen did it as well __________________ This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine

01-07-2004, 06:53 PM	#17
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	7Mmag6...what kind of wild game lives there? Also, are any domestic animals like cattle or sheep, etc. grazing in the areas you've mentioned? __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

01-08-2004, 12:31 AM	#18
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	Smog, conjestion....aren't you talking about San Antonio? __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.