BUSINESES MOVE TO RIGHT TO WORK STATES TO IMPROVE THEIR BOTTOM LINE.I READ WHAT FOLKS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ANY GIVEN SUBJECT IN THIS FORUM.I PICK THE FLY @#$! OUT AND MOVE ON.I KNOW I WILL BE BASHED FOR MY THOUGHTS BUT HERE GOES. WANT TO WORK FOR LESS AND MAKE IT SO YOUR WIFE HAS TO WORK TO HELP PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE,MOVE TO A RIGHT TO WORK STATE. I DONT BELIEVE OBAMA IS TO BLAME FOR ALL OUR GREAT COUNTRYS PROBLEMS, THE HOUSE IS CONTROLLED BY THE REPUBLICANS,THAT IS THE PROBLEM. i AM NOT BELIEVING THAT OBAMA WANTS TO TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY,ANOTHER REPUBLICAN MYTH. UNIONS ARE NEEDED TO ASSURE ALL UNION FOLKS IN THE BUSINESS ARE TREATED FAIRLY.ALL CONTRACTS ARE AGREED TO BY BOTH PARTYS IN NEGOTIATIONS. I AM A UNION PERSON' A DEMOCRAT,RETIRED WITH A PENSION AND DRAWING SOCIAL SECURITY AND AM PROUD OF IT. I MAKE AS MUCH RETIRED AS YOU UNION BASHING,OBOMA HATING RIGHT TO WORK STATERS MAKE. IT'S YOU UNION BASHING,OBAMA/DEMOCRAT HATERS THAT MAKE ME THIS WAY.
HAVE A NICE WALK TO MCDONALDS OR TO PICK UP YOUR FOOD STAMPS IN YOUR RIGHT TO WORK STATE,I'M GOING HUNTING!
BUSINESES MOVE TO RIGHT TO WORK STATES TO IMPROVE THEIR BOTTOM LINE.I READ WHAT FOLKS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ANY GIVEN SUBJECT IN THIS FORUM.I PICK THE FLY @#$! OUT AND MOVE ON.I KNOW I WILL BE BASHED FOR MY THOUGHTS BUT HERE GOES. WANT TO WORK FOR LESS AND MAKE IT SO YOUR WIFE HAS TO WORK TO HELP PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE,MOVE TO A RIGHT TO WORK STATE. I DONT BELIEVE OBAMA IS TO BLAME FOR ALL OUR GREAT COUNTRYS PROBLEMS, THE HOUSE IS CONTROLLED BY THE REPUBLICANS,THAT IS THE PROBLEM. i AM NOT BELIEVING THAT OBAMA WANTS TO TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY,ANOTHER REPUBLICAN MYTH. UNIONS ARE NEEDED TO ASSURE ALL UNION FOLKS IN THE BUSINESS ARE TREATED FAIRLY.ALL CONTRACTS ARE AGREED TO BY BOTH PARTYS IN NEGOTIATIONS. I AM A UNION PERSON' A DEMOCRAT,RETIRED WITH A PENSION AND DRAWING SOCIAL SECURITY AND AM PROUD OF IT. I MAKE AS MUCH RETIRED AS YOU UNION BASHING,OBOMA HATING RIGHT TO WORK STATERS MAKE. IT'S YOU UNION BASHING,OBAMA/DEMOCRAT HATERS THAT MAKE ME THIS WAY.
HAVE A NICE WALK TO MCDONALDS OR TO PICK UP YOUR FOOD STAMPS IN YOUR RIGHT TO WORK STATE,I'M GOING HUNTING!
Wow... did your daddy shoot holes in your computer ?
Wait... I like texnmidwest's post better than mine, so I'll just go with "what texnmidwest said".
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Mike, please turn off your caps lock. That will give your discussion a little bit more credibility.
I am glad the unions and our tax and consumer dollars have supported you nicely. I shoot with and am friends with a lot of union and ex union members. Mainly ex auto worker's union employees. I have yet to hear one of them say that they enjoyed their work or the union they worked for. Maybe you are the exception. Good for you. Enjoy your retirement.
However, I do resent the fact that you seem to be calling all non union workers "Losers". No, that is not the word you used. But I do find your arrogance to be inflammatory. You are correct. You will be flamed. This country was founded on freedoms. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech and most importantly the freedom to work where ever anyone wants to work.
Unions worked for you. Good for you. So, why not discuss what it was that unions did for you that made it good. Talk to us about the good. Talk to us about why WE should join unions.
Mike, please turn off your caps lock. That will give your discussion a little bit more credibility.
But not much..
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Talk to us about why WE should join unions
And I wish you the best of luck with that.. I was a union steward and found the union to be just another form of government, a money drain on folks that needed no protection, and a means of support for those too lazy to actually work..
First thing I was told the day I started..
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Attendance is manditory, work is optional..
This forum is the friendliest gun forum on the internet.. I like it to be that way, but take a dig at me and I'll take one back.. I don't jump on the Obama hate bandwagon, as there's really no room on it anymore, but IL is chasing off jobs, and with it they're chasing off workers..
And some of these workers even know how to shut of the CAPS LOCK button.
Mike, please turn off your caps lock. That will give your discussion a little bit more credibility.
I grew up in NW IN and have seen what unions do first hand. Violence they create at contract time, to protecting the worthless, bottom wrung worker that couldn't hold a job anywhere else. I've seen workers destroy things and not be able to walk and be back to work the next day.
I currently work in a "Right to Work" state. My wife is currently staying at home to take care of our 4 yr old. We have roof over our heads, 2 vehicles in the drive, food on our table and enjoy our hobbies. I'll take non union any day.
If you don't see the present day benefits of a union all you have to do is look at the 5.6 billion people on this globe who work for even less than the people in mexico. If you then couple that with the blatant disregard by our government for the security of our borders and the rampant illegal immigration that is presently undermining our earnings potential from the bottom side the eventual outcome should be clear; even to those who are severely challenged by 3rd grade reading and math skills. Oh did I also mention the "free trade agreement" that democrats and republicans have put in place to exploit the cheap labor of those 5.6 billion poverty striciken workers in far off lands at the expense of American workers.
Essentially some of you are telling me that once workers in the developed nations no longer have any bargaining power, you trust government and the uber wealthy international industrialists to somehow treat you differently than they do the other 95% of the people on this globe. Now that is naivety of the grandest scale.
All it takes to see thru the charade is reasonable observational skills, and the ability to read and do math above a 3rd grade level. Then you should be able to see that your best interest is not at the forefront of their concern, and that they benefit from the animosity that is presently directed at a handful of union people.
Watch this video by Roy Beck and he can explain to you the outcome of the exploitation of cheap labor. If for instance Uganda looks like something we should emulate join in on the union bashing. Our 300 million citizens blended into the 5.6 billion + of the 3rd world economies amounts to a "small problem" to those at the top of the food chain so if they can convince the American middle class to give up their status the problem will be solved. Buffet, Gates, Rothschild, Slim, etc will be most appreciative that you are willing to give up your wealth and comfort to them.
So, why not discuss what it was that unions did for you that made it good.
Because he'd rather scream at the top of his lungs without having a point, apparently.
Like unions? Good for you, Mike MC... But don't assume everyone else would like to be forced to pay a dues just to keep their employment. And even LESS so that they'd want that money to be funneled into supporting something they are vehemently against.
Infringement is a bad thing! Your right to swing your fist ENDS at my nose!
I can't see why it's even legal for a person having to join a union just to get a job. Unions have gone from a being necessary evil to being a collection agency for the Democrat party. Way too many people are forced to pay union dues that support a party that supports a socialistic, anti-individual, anti-capitalist, anti-gun party.
I live in Michigan. I wonder how many manufacturers will pass over Michigan's forced-union employment environment to go to Indiana's newly employer-friendly environs.
I don't have any articles. This came from the mouth of the range master. All the people that work there also work at winchester/olin.
You also have to remember they make a large amount of military ammo there too. Its not like they were going to close the plant. They were going to move the production of .22 ammo to Tennesse.
He said"Tennesse promised them t.i.f. money(Tax incriment financing) Its a tool the governments use around here to entice companys to move there. If keeps them from paying taxes for a period of time.
The state of Tennesse promised them t.i.f. money and cheap labor. Then they backed out. Winchester runs this plant on a skeleton crew.
It's not like winchester is hurting. Ammo sales are at an all time high. Especially .22 ammo. This is a case of some pencil pusher wanting to make a name for himself to make the co. as much money as possible. To hell with the working man trying to feed his family. Greed. Pure greed.
It looks like the bulls eye league is cancelled this year.A lot of teams dropped out. We all are looking at other ranges for our teams to shoot. Letters were sent to winchester about our disdain for their greed. Along with our letters were signd petitions that we will no longer buy their products.
I don't have any articles. This came from the mouth of the range master. All the people that work there also work at winchester/olin.
You also have to remember they make a large amount of military ammo there too. Its not like they were going to close the plant. They were going to move the production of .22 ammo to Tennesse.
He said"Tennesse promised them t.i.f. money(Tax incriment financing) Its a tool the governments use around here to entice companys to move there. If keeps them from paying taxes for a period of time.
The state of Tennesse promised them t.i.f. money and cheap labor. Then they backed out. Winchester runs this plant on a skeleton crew.
It's not like winchester is hurting. Ammo sales are at an all time high. Especially .22 ammo. This is a case of some pencil pusher wanting to make a name for himself to make the co. as much money as possible. To hell with the working man trying to feed his family. Greed. Pure greed.
It looks like the bulls eye league is cancelled this year.A lot of teams dropped out. We all are looking at other ranges for our teams to shoot. Letters were sent to winchester about our disdain for their greed. Along with our letters were signd petitions that we will no longer buy their products.
I honestly see winchester looking to go over seas
That's how it always starts. The writing is on the wall.
[QUOTE=mike mc;1542385]BUSINESES MOVE TO RIGHT TO WORK STATES TO IMPROVE THEIR BOTTOM LINE.I READ WHAT FOLKS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ANY GIVEN SUBJECT IN THIS FORUM.I PICK THE FLY @#$! OUT AND MOVE ON.I KNOW I WILL BE BASHED FOR MY THOUGHTS BUT HERE GOES. WANT TO WORK FOR LESS AND MAKE IT SO YOUR WIFE HAS TO WORK TO HELP PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE,MOVE TO A RIGHT TO WORK STATE. I DONT BELIEVE OBAMA IS TO BLAME FOR ALL OUR GREAT COUNTRYS PROBLEMS, THE HOUSE IS CONTROLLED BY THE REPUBLICANS,THAT IS THE PROBLEM. i AM NOT BELIEVING THAT OBAMA WANTS TO TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY,ANOTHER REPUBLICAN MYTH. UNIONS ARE NEEDED TO ASSURE ALL UNION FOLKS IN THE BUSINESS ARE TREATED FAIRLY.ALL CONTRACTS ARE AGREED TO BY BOTH PARTYS IN NEGOTIATIONS. I AM A UNION PERSON' A DEMOCRAT,RETIRED WITH A PENSION AND DRAWING SOCIAL SECURITY AND AM PROUD OF IT. I MAKE AS MUCH RETIRED AS YOU UNION BASHING,OBOMA HATING RIGHT TO WORK STATERS MAKE. IT'S YOU UNION BASHING,OBAMA/DEMOCRAT HATERS THAT MAKE ME THIS WAY.
HAVE A NICE WALK TO MCDONALDS OR TO PICK UP YOUR FOOD STAMPS IN YOUR RIGHT TO WORK STATE,I'M GOING HUNTING![/QUOT
I was told by a G.M plant worker in wentzville. The last lobor dispute with the union and G.M. 1 of the provisions the union wanted was " Health care insurance for employee pets"
BUSINESES MOVE TO RIGHT TO WORK STATES TO IMPROVE THEIR BOTTOM LINE.I READ WHAT FOLKS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ANY GIVEN SUBJECT IN THIS FORUM.I PICK THE FLY @#$! OUT AND MOVE ON.I KNOW I WILL BE BASHED FOR MY THOUGHTS BUT HERE GOES. WANT TO WORK FOR LESS AND MAKE IT SO YOUR WIFE HAS TO WORK TO HELP PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE,MOVE TO A RIGHT TO WORK STATE. I DONT BELIEVE OBAMA IS TO BLAME FOR ALL OUR GREAT COUNTRYS PROBLEMS, THE HOUSE IS CONTROLLED BY THE REPUBLICANS,THAT IS THE PROBLEM. i AM NOT BELIEVING THAT OBAMA WANTS TO TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY,ANOTHER REPUBLICAN MYTH. UNIONS ARE NEEDED TO ASSURE ALL UNION FOLKS IN THE BUSINESS ARE TREATED FAIRLY.ALL CONTRACTS ARE AGREED TO BY BOTH PARTYS IN NEGOTIATIONS. I AM A UNION PERSON' A DEMOCRAT,RETIRED WITH A PENSION AND DRAWING SOCIAL SECURITY AND AM PROUD OF IT. I MAKE AS MUCH RETIRED AS YOU UNION BASHING,OBOMA HATING RIGHT TO WORK STATERS MAKE. IT'S YOU UNION BASHING,OBAMA/DEMOCRAT HATERS THAT MAKE ME THIS WAY.
HAVE A NICE WALK TO MCDONALDS OR TO PICK UP YOUR FOOD STAMPS IN YOUR RIGHT TO WORK STATE,I'M GOING HUNTING!
Hmm,
Sounds like this would be from a arrogant commentator, in the Huffington Post. While the Democratic party is in bed with the Unions.
Just to correct your comments, here are just a few facts.
The house has been controlled by Republicans, for a little over a year now?
While the Dems have had total control of the House & Senate for 6 years.
Including the White House for the last 3.
Yep, lets blame the Republicans, and NON union folks.
Typical Liberal attitude.
"I am going hunting, to find someone less fortunate then me.
And brag, and say, See what I have? I got it, you don't, so grovel at my feet!"
Personally, as a hard working, broke business owner.
I have mostly given up on the American dream.
Anymore you have three types of folks.
Those that trying to have it & keep it, from WORKING hard.
Those that don't have it, and yet get some of it free.
And the worst, is those that have it, brag/flaunt it and talk down to the rest of us.
While making arrogant comments like this.
"HAVE A NICE WALK TO MCDONALDS OR TO PICK UP YOUR FOOD STAMPS IN YOUR RIGHT TO WORK STATE,I'M GOING HUNTING!"
Yet, lets be honest.
We are where we are today, because of GREED!
This has been the same downfall of EVERY kingdom, power, & civilization, since the dawn of man!
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Peters declined to disclose the amount of the incentives provided by Mississippi. The St. Louis Business Journal, citing sources with the Mississippi Development Authority, placed the amount of the incentives for the 500,000-square-foot expansion at $25 million.
Barham fears the 593-470 vote that split the ranks of the Machinists will carry over to the workplace for the remaining days of ammunition production in East Alton.
"It's going to be a tense situation because everybody is going to be pointing fingers at everybody else," he predicted. "Some people are going to say, 'You cost me my job.' And other people are going to say, 'You didn't stick by your guns.' It is not going to be pretty."
Got off the phone to with the range master in Alton. (Winchester/Olin Bullyseye league back on.Including 2 new teams. AND whinchester /olin.
Is hireing.
.22 rimfire went south....
Straight from the plant!
Btw. Olin is the worlds leader in brass...Go figure
I don't understand why all the manufacturers don't move into friendlier states. The South and most of the Central U.S. have lower overhead and more gun and ammo friendly people that would just love a job like that.
You know Brother Bob, I have often wondered and thought that myself. Then it dawned on me that keeping them there at least keeps the people of the states on their side because of the jobs they mean and bring to that state. But yea, I have often wondered why gun manufacturers choose to build, or stay in a state that has restrictive gun laws.
And speaking of restrictive gun laws, did anyone else follow the Guns and Patriot's staff member through her decision making process on which firearm to get and then her application process D.C. makes people go through when she finally decided.
For those who didn't, here's the article she wrote about the process and the cost. FWIW, I'd have to move before I went through that kind of B.S. just to get and have a gun in D.C.. Be sure to read the entire article.
I apologize for the caps in my previous posting. I was asked to tell what good being union did for me so here goes. In my case,working at Caterpillar for 31 years, a negotiated agreement assured that all workers would be treated the same when it came to work rules,overtime scheduling,scheduled vacations,changing to a different job classification,wages,senority when a downturn occured. . However if a plant becomes unionized in a right to work state,those folks that choose not to join the union are still afforded union representation if requested[mandated by law] plus they benefit from all negotiated items. In other words,they pay no union dues but still reap the same benifits as a dues paying person. I don't like plants being shut down anywhere. You can bet that the ceo's are not taking a pay cut or losing their jobs. If we want to help our economy,do your best to buy American,look at the labels on goods,do not buy china goods. Boot illegals out of our country.
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