trouble with win. mod. 70

13tay · 05-16-2007, 12:54 AM

Hello to all this is my first post and need help fast. I am leaving on a hunting trip on may 20, to drive 20 hrs. to south TEXAS to hog hunt and maybe some exotics. I went out and shot my win. mod. 70 wsm .270. I could not get a 2 shot group within 3'' of each other. I have a burris fullfield II scope on the gun, I would think it would be able to handle the kick. I had a good rest, nice and solid. Anyone have any suggestions. The only other rifle I have is a .243 which I took the burris scope off of to try to fix my problem with a diff. scope on the .270 Also will the .243 be enough gun for the hog????

mike dakota · 05-16-2007, 08:17 AM

Nothing like being pretentious and giving advice with my 2nd post and in the intro forum besides, but I'll do it anyway.

13tay
If you have confidence in the .243 I'd relax, put the .270 away for now, re-scope and sight in the .243 with, assuming you don't reload, any factory load that uses a tough premium bullet.
I did a quick search and see Federal has two...the 85gr Barnes TSX and a 100gr Nosler Partition. Hornady has one...the 85gr Innerbond and there are probably others. Anyone of these with standard shot placement should be more than adequate for anything Texas has to offer.
Having said that, I wouldn't hunt elk with a .243 and although it's my favorite caliber I've never shot a hog or exotic with one.

As for the .270 WSM you didn't give me much to go on. It could be simply finding a factory load it likes. Since you're down to 4 days and counting, instead of me or someone else trying to diagnose the problem and maybe making you more frustrated, I really think the .243 is the way to go.

Good luck on your hunt!
mike

JoeLee · 05-16-2007, 08:42 AM

The list for producing accuracy from a commercially produced rifle is long, books are available if you have the capability to preform the task. Sometimes it's a simple matter but can get difficult when simplicity doesn't produce the desired results.

The 243 will dump the pig but the bullet must be in the kill zone, personally I'd prefer a larger caliber.

13tay · 05-16-2007, 09:11 AM

Thanks for the advise guys, I think I will use the .243 I have great confidence with that gun (if I can get it sighted back in like it was before) I do like the .270 round I think it is a great multi. tasker. The only problem is the WSM does not offer many choices in bullet types (unless you reload) and at $35 a box, it can hit the wallet. I wonder if it would be easier to just get rid of the gun and move on to something a little better, maybe just a good old .270 round.

Moss500Bantam · 05-16-2007, 09:18 AM

Gotta agree on the 243.
If room & time allow, I'd drag the 270 with me. Possibly bringing a scope too. If there is down time at camp, there will most likely be more than enough help to get the rifle squared away. It's part of what makes hunting fun, helping out. Plus, if you get her up and going, you have a spare rifle along in the event something happens along the way.

13tay · 05-16-2007, 09:28 AM

thats an option on bringing two guns. I think I will try to pick up some different ammo. maybe a 140 gr. or 150 gr. just not much to choose from with factory loads in the wsm. Hate to get rid of any gun that I have.

JoeLee · 05-16-2007, 09:44 AM

13tay,Yes many people who buy the designer guns of today ,never consider the cost of the ammunition to feed that gun with.Just one reason to stay with tried and true standard ammunition ,you can buy in any small town gun shop.

Moss500Bantam · 05-16-2007, 10:04 AM

I'd give the gun it's fair due. As far as ammo, progress into reloading it you will have better ammo and always a good supply.

I believe in the newer technology. If no one believed in it 100 years ago we wouldn't be where we are at on ammo now. Can you picture some grumpy 'ole cuss around the camfire telling his buddies that newfangles 30-06 round won't be worth horse spit. LOL

Mooseman684 · 05-16-2007, 11:37 AM

Two Questions...Did you check the scope mounts / Screws and make sure they are tight ? Is it a solid scope mount or is it a foldover Mount?
Generally that is the first place I look if a scoped rifle starts shooting erratic.
I had one that did the same thing and discovered it was the foldover mount pivot screw had broken, so it wouldn't hold Zero.

Rich

13tay · 05-16-2007, 11:45 AM

I believe that the scope is secure, I do a good once over later to make sure. I thinking that maybe just switching ammo might help. (old car new tires type thing)

13tay · 05-18-2007, 05:22 AM

Hey guys thanks for all the advise, I checked the stock and it was rubbing against the barrel, so I shaved a little off and can get a dollar bill around it now. I also checked the scope and one of the bases was loose. went and shot yesterday and got 3 shot groups down to an inch.

thanks again

Mooseman684 · 05-18-2007, 01:24 PM

Now you are Shootin'...Now go get them Hogs !
Rich

ArkansasHunter · 05-18-2007, 03:52 PM

Congradulations 13tay I'm delighted you got your 270 problems resolved.
Now don't be to hard on them Hogs now...lol...A.H

05-16-2007, 12:54 AM	#1
13tay Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 14	trouble with win. mod. 70 Hello to all this is my first post and need help fast. I am leaving on a hunting trip on may 20, to drive 20 hrs. to south TEXAS to hog hunt and maybe some exotics. I went out and shot my win. mod. 70 wsm .270. I could not get a 2 shot group within 3'' of each other. I have a burris fullfield II scope on the gun, I would think it would be able to handle the kick. I had a good rest, nice and solid. Anyone have any suggestions. The only other rifle I have is a .243 which I took the burris scope off of to try to fix my problem with a diff. scope on the .270 Also will the .243 be enough gun for the hog???? Last edited by 13tay; 05-16-2007 at 01:01 AM.

05-16-2007, 11:37 AM	#9
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,668 Images: 2	Two Questions...Did you check the scope mounts / Screws and make sure they are tight ? Is it a solid scope mount or is it a foldover Mount? Generally that is the first place I look if a scoped rifle starts shooting erratic. I had one that did the same thing and discovered it was the foldover mount pivot screw had broken, so it wouldn't hold Zero. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

05-18-2007, 01:24 PM	#12
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,668 Images: 2	Now you are Shootin'...Now go get them Hogs ! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

05-16-2007, 08:17 AM	#2
mike dakota Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: northern great plains Posts: 48	Nothing like being pretentious and giving advice with my 2nd post and in the intro forum besides, but I'll do it anyway. 13tay If you have confidence in the .243 I'd relax, put the .270 away for now, re-scope and sight in the .243 with, assuming you don't reload, any factory load that uses a tough premium bullet. I did a quick search and see Federal has two...the 85gr Barnes TSX and a 100gr Nosler Partition. Hornady has one...the 85gr Innerbond and there are probably others. Anyone of these with standard shot placement should be more than adequate for anything Texas has to offer. Having said that, I wouldn't hunt elk with a .243 and although it's my favorite caliber I've never shot a hog or exotic with one. As for the .270 WSM you didn't give me much to go on. It could be simply finding a factory load it likes. Since you're down to 4 days and counting, instead of me or someone else trying to diagnose the problem and maybe making you more frustrated, I really think the .243 is the way to go. Good luck on your hunt! mike

05-16-2007, 08:42 AM	#3
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	The list for producing accuracy from a commercially produced rifle is long, books are available if you have the capability to preform the task. Sometimes it's a simple matter but can get difficult when simplicity doesn't produce the desired results. The 243 will dump the pig but the bullet must be in the kill zone, personally I'd prefer a larger caliber.

05-16-2007, 09:11 AM	#4
13tay Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 14	Thanks for the advise guys, I think I will use the .243 I have great confidence with that gun (if I can get it sighted back in like it was before) I do like the .270 round I think it is a great multi. tasker. The only problem is the WSM does not offer many choices in bullet types (unless you reload) and at $35 a box, it can hit the wallet. I wonder if it would be easier to just get rid of the gun and move on to something a little better, maybe just a good old .270 round.

05-16-2007, 09:18 AM	#5
Moss500Bantam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 257	Gotta agree on the 243. If room & time allow, I'd drag the 270 with me. Possibly bringing a scope too. If there is down time at camp, there will most likely be more than enough help to get the rifle squared away. It's part of what makes hunting fun, helping out. Plus, if you get her up and going, you have a spare rifle along in the event something happens along the way.

05-16-2007, 09:28 AM	#6
13tay Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 14	thats an option on bringing two guns. I think I will try to pick up some different ammo. maybe a 140 gr. or 150 gr. just not much to choose from with factory loads in the wsm. Hate to get rid of any gun that I have.

05-16-2007, 09:44 AM	#7
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	13tay,Yes many people who buy the designer guns of today ,never consider the cost of the ammunition to feed that gun with.Just one reason to stay with tried and true standard ammunition ,you can buy in any small town gun shop.

05-16-2007, 10:04 AM	#8
Moss500Bantam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 257	I'd give the gun it's fair due. As far as ammo, progress into reloading it you will have better ammo and always a good supply. I believe in the newer technology. If no one believed in it 100 years ago we wouldn't be where we are at on ammo now. Can you picture some grumpy 'ole cuss around the camfire telling his buddies that newfangles 30-06 round won't be worth horse spit. LOL

05-16-2007, 11:45 AM	#10
13tay Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 14	I believe that the scope is secure, I do a good once over later to make sure. I thinking that maybe just switching ammo might help. (old car new tires type thing)

05-18-2007, 05:22 AM	#11
13tay Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 14	Hey guys thanks for all the advise, I checked the stock and it was rubbing against the barrel, so I shaved a little off and can get a dollar bill around it now. I also checked the scope and one of the bases was loose. went and shot yesterday and got 3 shot groups down to an inch. thanks again

05-18-2007, 03:52 PM	#13
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,697	Congradulations 13tay I'm delighted you got your 270 problems resolved. Now don't be to hard on them Hogs now...lol...A.H