[oldjarhead]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Carbine200

There are allot of dead Japanese and Germans from WW2 who may have a different opinion on the knock down power. For its purpose it did well. Not a Garand but if they are coming over the hill much better than a 45.

Quite a few N Koreans, Chinese didn't live to tell about there experiences with the little beast either.
A friend who fought in Korea told me the carbine didn't do well during the Korean winters but it wasn't because of the capabilities of the carbine; it was because the enemy had 2 - 3 inches of heavy padding in their cold weather coats that slowed to bullet down to a bb hit...did danged good during the warmer weather though.

[stickhauler]

Quote:       Originally Posted by samuel

The M1 carbine was also equipped with a bayonette lug.They came in handy in the islands against Japanese banzai attack/hand to hand fighting.The veterans I talked to and what I learned from Marine Corps history,almost everyone wanted one.Ez,you are right for backing an old warhorse.Altho rated for jungle warfare,I believe the M1 carbine really proved itself in the hills of Korea when the Chinese made mass attacks. A great alternative to a handgun in the hands of soldiers that weren't proficient with handguns.I salute a weapon that served its country well. ,,, Modern Firearms - M1 Carbine ,,,sam.

It didn't have a bayonet lug in it's earlier configuration, that was a later feature added to them, and issued ones were upgraded. It wasn't meant as an alternative to the 1911, it was added firepower for troops issued a 1911.

Then came the folding stock carbine developed for airborne troops. Maybe it was seen as an effective firearm for some airborne troops, the experiences of the vets of the Normandy airdrop I had the chance to talk with were that they grabbed a Garand as soon as possible after landing. They chose to engage the Germans at range, not within the effective range of the carbine. They'd give up the added magazine capacity for long range killing power.

That said, the M-1 Carbine is probably the most fun gun I have ever fired. I have 5 at present, and all of them are a joy to shoot. As I can afford to buy more, I likely will. But, my use for them is not to take out Germans at 500 yards, and when I shoot mine, I don't have return fire coming toward me.

If you have to ask what the fascination is with the Carbine, you really would not understand anyway. Mine are the only long guns my wife likes to shoot. If shooting them makes her smile, that's more than good enough for me.

And yes, I smell a troll here!

[oldjarhead]

Actually it was developed as a replacement for the 1911 but most of those who carried the 1911 refused to give them up so the carbine became an augmentation to the pistol. Just shows to prove 2 things...1) a slight mistrust in the carbine as first issued; 2) a true love and affection for the 1911.
You're right. The bayonet lug was an up-grade added in 1943.
I have six of the little shooters and love'em all.
If you've ever fired one with the colapsable stock...that's another reason airborne didn't care for them. They did quite good for the island hopping campaignes in the Pacific theater though.

[stickhauler]

Quote:       Originally Posted by oldjarhead

Actually it was developed as a replacement for the 1911 but most of those who carried the 1911 refused to give them up so the carbine became an augmentation to the pistol. Just shows to prove 2 things...1) a slight mistrust in the carbine as first issued; 2) a true love and affection for the 1911. You're right. The bayonet lug was an up-grade added in 1943. I have six of the little shooters and love'em all. If you've ever fired one with the colapsable stock...that's another reason airborne didn't care for them. They did quite good for the island hopping campaignes in the Pacific theater though.

I agree, the folding stock models are not nearly as much fun to shoot as the full stock versions. But I would love to have a genuine one in my collection.

I share the love for the 1911, that was my issue weapon as a squad leader for a general support mortar crew later in my time in the army, serving in the fabled 1/506th Infantry. Sadly, they had transferred all the little guys like me out of the 1/503rd that remained airborne while the remainder of the 101st became airmobile. That extra $55.00 a month paid my car payment back then.

[Dragunov]

Quote:       Originally Posted by stickhauler

And yes, I smell a troll here!

Samuel is not a troll, he is a well respected member of our board here. He is not always right, but none of us are. Please refrain from name calling on here as it shows a lack of manners.

[oldjarhead]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Dragunov

Samuel is not a troll, he is a well respected member of our board here. He is not always right, but none of us are. Please refrain from name calling on here as it shows a lack of manners.

You misread...he was not referring to sam, even though sam may smell, (LOL) he was referring to a post I made earlier about the OP.

[Dragunov]

Oops, My bad........ Sorry!

[samuel]

Thanks JH and Drag.By the way,I'm low on water irrigating is finished and it is hot and sticky here,but I didn't think it could be detected over the internet.What amazing machines these are. (you'll have to get used to it 'til middle to late fall when I break the long johns out.Reminds me,the dog ate the soap.) ,,,sam.

[oldjarhead]

Quote:       Originally Posted by samuel

Thanks JH and Drag.By the way,I'm low on water irrigating is finished and it is hot and sticky here,but I didn't think it could be detected over the internet.What amazing machines these are. (you'll have to get used to it 'til middle to late fall when I break the long johns out.Reminds me,the dog ate the soap.) ,,,sam.

That's a new twist on the "dog ate the homework" scheme.
My puter has a cold so it won't smell a thing'My name's oldjarhead and I approve this message.

[mdj696]

Quote:       Originally Posted by oldjarhead

Quite a few N Koreans, Chinese didn't live to tell about there experiences with the little beast either. A friend who fought in Korea told me the carbine didn't do well during the Korean winters but it wasn't because of the capabilities of the carbine; it was because the enemy had 2 - 3 inches of heavy padding in their cold weather coats that slowed to bullet down to a bb hit...did danged good during the warmer weather though.

I grew up next door to a Korean Marine vet and he told me the same thing about the carbine and N. Korean coats filled with goose feathers.

[mdj696]

Anyone here ever fire up a M2 carbine? Talk about an appetite for ammo.

[jimb2]

A 15 round mag lasts about 1.1 seconds and a 30 rounder 3 1/4 seconds! Yup! very fast!

[ironhead7544]

The main advantage to the M1 carbine is its weight and size. Also the weight and size of the ammo. With HP/SP ammo its good for 150 yards, IMHO. One thing I noticed about the carbine is that the special ops guys liked it. You have to make a good center hit with the ball ammo and those guys can hit. The disadvantage today is the cost of ammo. Its too high. On the other hand, its one of the cheapest to reload. So you could build up a good supply and shoot handloads for practice. Remember also that the carbine is a rugged military arm that can take a good bit of abuse. Just my .02.