What to stay away from....

NRAJOE · 12-04-2003, 06:54 PM

I'm starting to get a little Carbine fever....Which M1 carbines to get, and stay away from?

PAPA G · 12-04-2003, 07:19 PM

the ones with the stamped and welded op rod with the open bolt cam slot, twin operating springs, cheap cast magwell trigger guard assembly, run don't walk from them.

NRAJOE · 12-04-2003, 07:21 PM

I remember those, almost got one a few years ago and didn't like what I saw.

BattleRifleG3 · 12-04-2003, 08:45 PM

GunGeek's paratrooper model is a Universal, and its mag wel cracked. He ordered an M2 trigger housing from Centerfire, and we installed it successfully. If you find a Universal cheap enough, they are improveable and parts are out there.

PAPA G · 12-04-2003, 08:53 PM

the universals from the 60's are ok they were all GI except for the receiver. Iver Johsnons were made with UNIparts. the best of the copies, were made by a NJ company whoose name escapes me.

Indy · 12-04-2003, 09:01 PM

NRAJOE
I have also been looking at them lately. Does anyone have an opinion on the IMIs? The stock on these are not very nice, but the metal looks good. The prices on the internet for a GI carbine are high and you never know what you are getting. It could be one of the welded ones. I cannot find a good GI in a gunshop.
Indy

Big Dog · 12-05-2003, 03:55 AM

The IAI Carbine has been getting mixed reviews, but I like mine.
The Plainfields are good commercial models too.
The true GI models are just too pricey around here.

PAPA G · 12-05-2003, 01:58 PM

thanks dawg!!!

NRAJOE · 12-05-2003, 04:10 PM

I was just on a site with Korean War M1 CARBINES...$550-$1,200

jarcp · 12-06-2003, 07:59 AM

NRAJOE,

No doubt! I've got a Korean marked M1 built by Underwood (bbl and receiver) appraised at 850.00. The stock is pretty beat up, and from the looks of her I think I would pay only about 200.00 but sue to the historical value it jumps way up. I'm suprised really. I've got it up for auction, but no sucessful bids yet. I doubt you want to sepnd that much but I'd take 675.00 for it with extra clips and ammo.

NRAJOE · 12-06-2003, 10:32 AM

No, thanks anyway bro. I could buy 2 AK's and a crap load of ammo for that money!

jarcp · 12-07-2003, 04:50 AM

Oh I know. And really the new one only run around about 350-400. I'm just always amazed how weapons with just a little history behind them will jack the cost up.

PAPA G · 12-07-2003, 03:32 PM

just keep looking a all the pawnshops, and newspaper ads, and estate auctions. you may get a deal that way. but i too believe those with deep pockets and little sense have driven up the prices of them beyond reality. bet theres a sheet load of them waiting to come back, if the import laws change.

NRAJOE · 12-07-2003, 03:39 PM

I'll be looking at the gunshow on Dec 13 & 14 but doubt I will find anything in a decent price range!

BattleRifleG3 · 12-07-2003, 06:44 PM

If they're standard models, it should be legal to import them as C&Rs, the same way FN-49s with 20rd mags are now imported.

PAPA G · 12-07-2003, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BattleRifleG3
If they're standard models, it should be legal to import them as C&Rs, the same way FN-49s with 20rd mags are now imported.

nope, if the guns is part of the military assisatance to a country wo sells them to say Century Arms, they are not allowed to be brought back in because thats illegal. some M1 Garands, and Carbines got brought back in the country from Korea in the mid 80's and sold before the Feds put the Kabash on it. the 1903's that the CMP were selling were returned from Greece, through proper channels back to the US gummint, and allowed to sell them through the CMP. there was a court action recently in NY Federal court. and importer had a bunch of Garands to bring in and was seeking to get approval to bring them in to sell, don't know what happened with the suit though.

Fred J. Wahl · 12-12-2003, 12:28 AM

I PICKED UP A UNIVERSAL, IN GOOD SHAPE, AT A FLA. GUN SHOW, FOR ABOUT $200., IT'S A DECENT SHOOTER, ESPECIALLY WITH HANDLOADS.
FRED WAHL (HONCHO)

RazoR · 12-27-2003, 08:11 PM

I have an M-1 Carbine, one of two my father and i got some 30 years ago. It's marked "inland div w/ a number under the back sight. On the front of the reciever it has U.S.CARBINE CAL. 30 M1.
I think it's a real government issue M-1. Can anyone here tell me if it is? And what it might be worth? I just use it for deer hunting.
And my brother has my dad's now and the thirty round clips that were with them, i have a couple 15 round clips. I love this little guy for hunting, so easy to carry and light. Any help will be appreciated.

toolman · 12-27-2003, 10:13 PM

You guys are pizzin me off!

I passed on one (Inland) in the early 80's for $100.00 or trade for my Kawasaki KE-100 dirt bike

. Joe, you need to stay away from anything not made in Russia! Buckeye boys can't shoot with straight sights anyway!

jimb2 · 12-30-2003, 03:36 PM

Its impossible to give you any accurate estimate of value without a lot more information. To start with, is it import marked? (usually on the barrel[side or bottom]) Approximate serial number? Features (adjustable sight? bayonet lug? rotating safety?) To evaluate it, we need to know what features it has vs what features it should have if original. That will only give us a ballpark figure. To fully evaluate it we would need to know all parts types and markings as well as finish on all major parts. It could from the limited info you gave us, be valued from $350-$1500. That is a pretty wide spread.

12-04-2003, 06:54 PM	#1
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	What to stay away from.... I'm starting to get a little Carbine fever....Which M1 carbines to get, and stay away from? __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-04-2003, 07:19 PM	#2
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	Late model Universals the ones with the stamped and welded op rod with the open bolt cam slot, twin operating springs, cheap cast magwell trigger guard assembly, run don't walk from them.

12-04-2003, 07:21 PM	#3
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	I remember those, almost got one a few years ago and didn't like what I saw. __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-04-2003, 08:45 PM	#4
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	GunGeek's paratrooper model is a Universal, and its mag wel cracked. He ordered an M2 trigger housing from Centerfire, and we installed it successfully. If you find a Universal cheap enough, they are improveable and parts are out there. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

12-04-2003, 08:53 PM	#5
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	FORGOT TO MENTION the universals from the 60's are ok they were all GI except for the receiver. Iver Johsnons were made with UNIparts. the best of the copies, were made by a NJ company whoose name escapes me.

12-04-2003, 09:01 PM	#6
Indy Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 334	NRAJOE I have also been looking at them lately. Does anyone have an opinion on the IMIs? The stock on these are not very nice, but the metal looks good. The prices on the internet for a GI carbine are high and you never know what you are getting. It could be one of the welded ones. I cannot find a good GI in a gunshop. Indy

12-05-2003, 03:55 AM	#7
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,219	The IAI Carbine has been getting mixed reviews, but I like mine. The Plainfields are good commercial models too. The true GI models are just too pricey around here. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

12-05-2003, 01:58 PM	#8
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	PLAINFIELD!!!! thanks dawg!!!

12-05-2003, 04:10 PM	#9
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	I was just on a site with Korean War M1 CARBINES...$550-$1,200 __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-06-2003, 07:59 AM	#10
jarcp Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 253	NRAJOE, No doubt! I've got a Korean marked M1 built by Underwood (bbl and receiver) appraised at 850.00. The stock is pretty beat up, and from the looks of her I think I would pay only about 200.00 but sue to the historical value it jumps way up. I'm suprised really. I've got it up for auction, but no sucessful bids yet. I doubt you want to sepnd that much but I'd take 675.00 for it with extra clips and ammo. __________________ Reed's Ammunition & Research 1209 SW 129th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 www.reedsammo.com info@reedsammo.com

12-06-2003, 10:32 AM	#11
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	No, thanks anyway bro. I could buy 2 AK's and a crap load of ammo for that money! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-07-2003, 04:50 AM	#12
jarcp Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 253	Oh I know. And really the new one only run around about 350-400. I'm just always amazed how weapons with just a little history behind them will jack the cost up. __________________ Reed's Ammunition & Research 1209 SW 129th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 www.reedsammo.com info@reedsammo.com

12-07-2003, 03:32 PM	#13
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	IF YOU WANT REAL GI just keep looking a all the pawnshops, and newspaper ads, and estate auctions. you may get a deal that way. but i too believe those with deep pockets and little sense have driven up the prices of them beyond reality. bet theres a sheet load of them waiting to come back, if the import laws change.

12-07-2003, 03:39 PM	#14
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	I'll be looking at the gunshow on Dec 13 & 14 but doubt I will find anything in a decent price range! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-07-2003, 06:44 PM	#15
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	If they're standard models, it should be legal to import them as C&Rs, the same way FN-49s with 20rd mags are now imported. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

12-12-2003, 12:28 AM	#17
Fred J. Wahl Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: White Plains, N.Y. Posts: 37	I PICKED UP A UNIVERSAL, IN GOOD SHAPE, AT A FLA. GUN SHOW, FOR ABOUT $200., IT'S A DECENT SHOOTER, ESPECIALLY WITH HANDLOADS. FRED WAHL (HONCHO) __________________ PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS! VOTE!

12-27-2003, 08:11 PM	#18
RazoR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4	M-1 Carbine I have an M-1 Carbine, one of two my father and i got some 30 years ago. It's marked "inland div w/ a number under the back sight. On the front of the reciever it has U.S.CARBINE CAL. 30 M1. I think it's a real government issue M-1. Can anyone here tell me if it is? And what it might be worth? I just use it for deer hunting. And my brother has my dad's now and the thirty round clips that were with them, i have a couple 15 round clips. I love this little guy for hunting, so easy to carry and light. Any help will be appreciated.

12-27-2003, 10:13 PM	#19
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	You guys are pizzin me off! I passed on one (Inland) in the early 80's for $100.00 or trade for my Kawasaki KE-100 dirt bike . Joe, you need to stay away from anything not made in Russia! Buckeye boys can't shoot with straight sights anyway! __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

12-30-2003, 03:36 PM	#20
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	Its impossible to give you any accurate estimate of value without a lot more information. To start with, is it import marked? (usually on the barrel[side or bottom]) Approximate serial number? Features (adjustable sight? bayonet lug? rotating safety?) To evaluate it, we need to know what features it has vs what features it should have if original. That will only give us a ballpark figure. To fully evaluate it we would need to know all parts types and markings as well as finish on all major parts. It could from the limited info you gave us, be valued from $350-$1500. That is a pretty wide spread. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...