Stock markings

mdclark · 07-27-2005, 07:18 AM

Greetings!!! :right:

Glad to find some people with knowledge about carbines. I have a question about some markings on a stock I own. It has a cartouch which is SG in a box with ordinance wheel next to it. Also, has the markins RA-P on the pistol grip butt (first time I have seen this type marking on a grip). Slingwell has what appears to be 41A in it.

Any Idea what I have????? Thanks in advance for the help.

Mike

jimb2 · 07-27-2005, 11:18 PM

That depends on how the SG in a box is oriented. If it is horizontal, you have a Saginaw stock made for carbine produced in Saginaw Michigan. If the SG is oriented vertically with the top toward the front, the it is a Grand Rapids carbine. Now I can safely say you have a Saginaw Saginaw! The 414 in the bevel is a typical undecipherable number sequence that often appears in the bevel. There are several different sets of numbers, all equally meaningless! Probably lot numbers. The RA-P is a Raritan Arsenal rebuild stamp with the P being an Inspector's initial. It is probably a later low wood stock. But if the condition is as good as the markings seem to indicate, the stock is worth well over $100. HTH

mdclark · 07-28-2005, 08:44 AM

Thanks for the help!! I really appreciate it. This is pretty new to me so I have to rely on you wonderful peoples knowledge (Hope you don't mind me picking your brain!!).

All the different markings are confusing to me to say the least. I need to buy a good collectors book I guess. Any recommendation???????

Again, thanks for your knowledge, I really appreciate it. By the way, the cartouch is Horizontal.

Thanks a million,
Mike

jimb2 · 07-28-2005, 01:56 PM

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All the different markings are confusing to me to say the least. I need to buy a good collectors book I guess. Any recommendation???????

[/QUOTE]
I really don't know of any book that will give you a complete rundown on markings on stocks. Each seems to contain a limited amount of info and the rest is form many other sources. For parts info by serial number range and maker, I recommend US M1 Carbines, Wartime Production by Craig Reisch. It is inexpensive but well written and comprehensive. (under $20)

mdclark · 08-10-2005, 09:05 AM

Thanks to your info, I was able to actually identify a stock I am selling. I have several more stocks to sell and I am still searching for a book for stock markings, but no luck yet. Thanks for the help!!!

Mike

jimb2 · 08-12-2005, 03:19 PM

I have picked up a lot of bits and pieces here and there. Probably the best source is War Baby by Larry Ruth. But then it is also VERY expensive ($60-$70). If you have questions about markings, just post them here and I'll try to answer them for you.

mdclark · 08-14-2005, 07:04 PM

heres a couple more I have found. I think the one with Q-RMO might be a Quaulity Hardware stock but I don't know. The IO in slingwell I take it is an Inland?

Thanks for your help.
Mike

jimb2 · 08-15-2005, 10:37 AM

An IO is Inland Overton. Overton as well as Hillerich and Bradsby (HI) made stocks for Inland. The other marking is Q-RMC; Quality Hardware by Rock-Ola Manufacturing Co.

29er savoy · 08-22-2005, 10:17 PM

i have a inland rebuild that i obtained 20 years ago the stock is an M-2 with the cut for the selector switch .It is marked LA in the sling cut out and has a Y on the pistol grip but. The hand guard is marked LW (lumb woodworking co.) -mentioned in Larry Ruth's book M1 Carbine. but i have yet to find out what the LA is. any info would be helpfull thanks.

jimb2 · 08-23-2005, 07:48 PM

I have yet to discover who LA is myself. But I can tell you this much, it has been seen many times on early Inland stocks, so it is apparently one of their subcontractors. The Y on the base of the pistol grip is probably an inspector's mark from Springfield Armory. They often used a single letter in that location as their rebuild mark.

29er savoy · 08-23-2005, 10:14 PM

thanks jimb2 the gun was manufactured in 12-43 and was modified by a ww2 re-enactor he replaced the flip site with the click adjustable hamphill mfg mid 1944, the , front site with a milled nieder rifle co. one and the front band with the late inland bayonet type. i have researched some of the parts : winchester flat bolt, national postal trigger housing, straight type c hammer. i allways thought i had a stock inland carbine untill i started checking all the parts for mfg markings. but it is a good shooter and with all the different parts a unique piece of history. it came with the leather washer bayonet, and gi cleaning kit. thanks again 29er savoy

mdclark · 09-13-2005, 07:23 PM

:lucky: Got another question for you if you have time. I have a carbine stock with the markings S-HB in slingwell. Would this be a Standard Products?

http://cgi.ebay.com/STANDARD-PRODUCT...QQcmdZViewItem

Any help appreciated.

Thanks a million,
Mike

jimb2 · 09-14-2005, 08:37 PM

S-HB is Standard Products by Hillerich and Bradsby, the baseball bat folks. I was going to answer yesterday evening, but I think the site was down for maintenance.

07-27-2005, 07:18 AM	#1
mdclark Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10	Stock markings Greetings!!! :right: Glad to find some people with knowledge about carbines. I have a question about some markings on a stock I own. It has a cartouch which is SG in a box with ordinance wheel next to it. Also, has the markins RA-P on the pistol grip butt (first time I have seen this type marking on a grip). Slingwell has what appears to be 41A in it. Any Idea what I have????? Thanks in advance for the help. Mike Last edited by mdclark; 08-31-2005 at 02:16 PM. Reason: add link

07-27-2005, 11:18 PM	#2
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	That depends on how the SG in a box is oriented. If it is horizontal, you have a Saginaw stock made for carbine produced in Saginaw Michigan. If the SG is oriented vertically with the top toward the front, the it is a Grand Rapids carbine. Now I can safely say you have a Saginaw Saginaw! The 414 in the bevel is a typical undecipherable number sequence that often appears in the bevel. There are several different sets of numbers, all equally meaningless! Probably lot numbers. The RA-P is a Raritan Arsenal rebuild stamp with the P being an Inspector's initial. It is probably a later low wood stock. But if the condition is as good as the markings seem to indicate, the stock is worth well over $100. HTH __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

07-28-2005, 08:44 AM	#3
mdclark Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10	Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the help!! I really appreciate it. This is pretty new to me so I have to rely on you wonderful peoples knowledge (Hope you don't mind me picking your brain!!). All the different markings are confusing to me to say the least. I need to buy a good collectors book I guess. Any recommendation??????? Again, thanks for your knowledge, I really appreciate it. By the way, the cartouch is Horizontal. Thanks a million, Mike

07-28-2005, 01:56 PM	#4
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	[quote=mdclark} All the different markings are confusing to me to say the least. I need to buy a good collectors book I guess. Any recommendation??????? [/QUOTE] I really don't know of any book that will give you a complete rundown on markings on stocks. Each seems to contain a limited amount of info and the rest is form many other sources. For parts info by serial number range and maker, I recommend US M1 Carbines, Wartime Production by Craig Reisch. It is inexpensive but well written and comprehensive. (under $20) __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

08-10-2005, 09:05 AM	#5
mdclark Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10	Hey Jim Thanks to your info, I was able to actually identify a stock I am selling. I have several more stocks to sell and I am still searching for a book for stock markings, but no luck yet. Thanks for the help!!! Mike Last edited by mdclark; 09-11-2005 at 05:44 PM.

08-12-2005, 03:19 PM	#6
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	I have picked up a lot of bits and pieces here and there. Probably the best source is War Baby by Larry Ruth. But then it is also VERY expensive ($60-$70). If you have questions about markings, just post them here and I'll try to answer them for you. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

08-14-2005, 07:04 PM	#7
mdclark Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10	heres a couple more I have found. I think the one with Q-RMO might be a Quaulity Hardware stock but I don't know. The IO in slingwell I take it is an Inland? Thanks for your help. Mike Last edited by mdclark; 08-29-2005 at 11:10 AM.

08-15-2005, 10:37 AM	#8
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	An IO is Inland Overton. Overton as well as Hillerich and Bradsby (HI) made stocks for Inland. The other marking is Q-RMC; Quality Hardware by Rock-Ola Manufacturing Co. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

08-22-2005, 10:17 PM	#9
29er savoy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 167	i have a inland rebuild that i obtained 20 years ago the stock is an M-2 with the cut for the selector switch .It is marked LA in the sling cut out and has a Y on the pistol grip but. The hand guard is marked LW (lumb woodworking co.) -mentioned in Larry Ruth's book M1 Carbine. but i have yet to find out what the LA is. any info would be helpfull thanks.

08-23-2005, 07:48 PM	#10
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	I have yet to discover who LA is myself. But I can tell you this much, it has been seen many times on early Inland stocks, so it is apparently one of their subcontractors. The Y on the base of the pistol grip is probably an inspector's mark from Springfield Armory. They often used a single letter in that location as their rebuild mark. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

08-23-2005, 10:14 PM	#11
29er savoy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 167	thanks jimb2 the gun was manufactured in 12-43 and was modified by a ww2 re-enactor he replaced the flip site with the click adjustable hamphill mfg mid 1944, the , front site with a milled nieder rifle co. one and the front band with the late inland bayonet type. i have researched some of the parts : winchester flat bolt, national postal trigger housing, straight type c hammer. i allways thought i had a stock inland carbine untill i started checking all the parts for mfg markings. but it is a good shooter and with all the different parts a unique piece of history. it came with the leather washer bayonet, and gi cleaning kit. thanks again 29er savoy

09-13-2005, 07:23 PM	#12
mdclark Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 10	Hey Jim............I'm back :lucky: Got another question for you if you have time. I have a carbine stock with the markings S-HB in slingwell. Would this be a Standard Products? http://cgi.ebay.com/STANDARD-PRODUCT...QQcmdZViewItem Any help appreciated. Thanks a million, Mike

09-14-2005, 08:37 PM	#13
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	S-HB is Standard Products by Hillerich and Bradsby, the baseball bat folks. I was going to answer yesterday evening, but I think the site was down for maintenance. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...