Any good books for manufacturer codes?

mhm_m · 10-24-2006, 04:22 PM

Hello, I am a new M1 carbine owner. I aquired mine recently and I was wanting to find out more about the gun. I have been looking around the internet and it seems like all the sights say about the same things. I have took down most of the information off of the gun and I was wondering if anyone can tell me more about it.
Here is some of the information on the gun: receiver=Saginaw SG 3577393, Barrel = Buffalo Arms 8-943, Adjustable sight= L.R. CO 7160060, trigger gaurd= WB-LP2637, front sight= N, stock, recessed area where sling attaches= W-U. Thanks for any help.

doctor rizz · 10-24-2006, 11:13 PM

One of the guys on here will tell you exactly when it was made and if it was an rebiult. By listing the different markers and makers of the different parts and people will tell you.

jimb2 · 10-26-2006, 10:19 PM

Well somebody has more faith in us than we have in ourselves! We cannot tell you when it was manufactured except to say that it was probably after the barrel date. The reason is simple. Irwin Pederson/Saginaw SG / Saginaw S'G' carbines were not built with any attention to the sequence of the serial numbers. They are all mixed up. To make matters worse, yours has a Buffalo arms barrel. Since your receiver is a Saginaw SG, the barrel probably is not original to the carbine. But IF it is,and that is very unlikely since Saginaw, Saginaw michigan used their own barrels and Saginaw, Grand Rapids used other manufacturers barrels, then the carbine might have been produced after the S'G' contract was cancelled! Sounds very confusing doesn't it? Well to be truthful, it is. The simple answer is that we don't know when your carbine was manufactured.
Now for the rest of what I can tell you....You have a mixed parts carbine. It was rebuilt at least once at an arsenal. It has since had parts traded around in the private ownership market. The markings on the trigger housing indicate that that part was once part of a Bavarian carbine (one that was given to the Germen police after WWII). The last 4 digits were the last 4 digits of the serial number which would have been engraved on all of the major parts like the stock, bolt and slide. I'm going to guess that your carbine also has a lever type safety and a bayonet lug. None of those features was on your carbine when it was originally manufactured. You have what we refer to as a shooter grade carbine. There is nothing wrong with that. It will continue to increase in value. But please, take it out to the range and enjoy it.
If you have more questions, feel free to ask.

Jaymo · 10-29-2006, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mhm_m

Hello, I am a new M1 carbine owner. I aquired mine recently and I was wanting to find out more about the gun. I have been looking around the internet and it seems like all the sights say about the same things. I have took down most of the information off of the gun and I was wondering if anyone can tell me more about it.
Here is some of the information on the gun: receiver=Saginaw SG 3577393, Barrel = Buffalo Arms 8-943, Adjustable sight= L.R. CO 7160060, trigger gaurd= WB-LP2637, front sight= N, stock, recessed area where sling attaches= W-U. Thanks for any help.

Here is a site that will open your eyes like never before if you don't know about it already. Not just M1 Carbines but all older weapons in general. It's at: ArmsCollectors.com Main Page Keep your eye on the column on the left and go down about 1/3 of the page until you see US Military Serial Numbers (Springfield Research Services). On the next page go about 2/3 the way down the page until you see M1 Carbines in the center column. On the next page punch in your serial and ...

? Good Luck with your search and welcome to the forum.

jimb2 · 10-29-2006, 07:48 PM

As far as markings go, the best inexpensive book for carbines is U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production by Craig Reisch. It gives the usual markings by manufacturer and serial number groupings. Be aware though, it is not complete. None of the available books are. In addition it only lists the markings, not the part manufacturers. To really be able to identify this stuff, you need a complete library of books plus a lot of contacts in the collector world who can identify the unlisted markings. And while Springfield Research is interesting, do not make the mistake of assuming that because your carbine is serialed close to another that is listed, that your carbine has the same history. It most likely does not. There are a lot of limitations on their searches. Many of the hitsw have little to do with any real history other than it carbine was on a ship, or was rearsenaled or lost and recovered......You probably won't find out who it was issued to, where it served, when, or any of the multitude of other things we would all like to know.

Jaymo · 10-30-2006, 01:24 AM

mhm m-

I bought the book jimb2 is speaking of on eBay for $15.00 + s/h, this is the least expensive I have found it anywhere. He is the regular seller on eBay, by the screen name of Folcmote (his real name is Nick Dailey) He can be reached at FOLCOMOTE@aol.com. He sends a nice M1 Carbine parts list with each item purchased. He buys, sells and trades parts and I have found him to helpful, good to deal with and ships quickly. I have found the book helpful aswell. He has other books on M1 Carbines aswell.

10-24-2006, 04:22 PM	#1
mhm_m Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1 Trader Rating: (0)	Can someone tell me about my M1? Hello, I am a new M1 carbine owner. I aquired mine recently and I was wanting to find out more about the gun. I have been looking around the internet and it seems like all the sights say about the same things. I have took down most of the information off of the gun and I was wondering if anyone can tell me more about it. Here is some of the information on the gun: receiver=Saginaw SG 3577393, Barrel = Buffalo Arms 8-943, Adjustable sight= L.R. CO 7160060, trigger gaurd= WB-LP2637, front sight= N, stock, recessed area where sling attaches= W-U. Thanks for any help. Last edited by mhm_m; 10-26-2006 at 05:34 PM. Reason: Not much response to old thread.

10-26-2006, 10:19 PM	#3
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 496 Trader Rating: (0)	Well somebody has more faith in us than we have in ourselves! We cannot tell you when it was manufactured except to say that it was probably after the barrel date. The reason is simple. Irwin Pederson/Saginaw SG / Saginaw S'G' carbines were not built with any attention to the sequence of the serial numbers. They are all mixed up. To make matters worse, yours has a Buffalo arms barrel. Since your receiver is a Saginaw SG, the barrel probably is not original to the carbine. But IF it is,and that is very unlikely since Saginaw, Saginaw michigan used their own barrels and Saginaw, Grand Rapids used other manufacturers barrels, then the carbine might have been produced after the S'G' contract was cancelled! Sounds very confusing doesn't it? Well to be truthful, it is. The simple answer is that we don't know when your carbine was manufactured. Now for the rest of what I can tell you....You have a mixed parts carbine. It was rebuilt at least once at an arsenal. It has since had parts traded around in the private ownership market. The markings on the trigger housing indicate that that part was once part of a Bavarian carbine (one that was given to the Germen police after WWII). The last 4 digits were the last 4 digits of the serial number which would have been engraved on all of the major parts like the stock, bolt and slide. I'm going to guess that your carbine also has a lever type safety and a bayonet lug. None of those features was on your carbine when it was originally manufactured. You have what we refer to as a shooter grade carbine. There is nothing wrong with that. It will continue to increase in value. But please, take it out to the range and enjoy it. If you have more questions, feel free to ask. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

10-29-2006, 07:48 PM	#5
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 496 Trader Rating: (0)	As far as markings go, the best inexpensive book for carbines is U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production by Craig Reisch. It gives the usual markings by manufacturer and serial number groupings. Be aware though, it is not complete. None of the available books are. In addition it only lists the markings, not the part manufacturers. To really be able to identify this stuff, you need a complete library of books plus a lot of contacts in the collector world who can identify the unlisted markings. And while Springfield Research is interesting, do not make the mistake of assuming that because your carbine is serialed close to another that is listed, that your carbine has the same history. It most likely does not. There are a lot of limitations on their searches. Many of the hitsw have little to do with any real history other than it carbine was on a ship, or was rearsenaled or lost and recovered......You probably won't find out who it was issued to, where it served, when, or any of the multitude of other things we would all like to know. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

10-24-2006, 11:13 PM	#2
doctor rizz Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 67 Trader Rating: (0)	One of the guys on here will tell you exactly when it was made and if it was an rebiult. By listing the different markers and makers of the different parts and people will tell you.

10-30-2006, 01:24 AM	#6
Jaymo Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Puget Sound Area, Washington State Posts: 64 Trader Rating: (0)	mhm m- I bought the book jimb2 is speaking of on eBay for $15.00 + s/h, this is the least expensive I have found it anywhere. He is the regular seller on eBay, by the screen name of Folcmote (his real name is Nick Dailey) He can be reached at FOLCOMOTE@aol.com. He sends a nice M1 Carbine parts list with each item purchased. He buys, sells and trades parts and I have found him to helpful, good to deal with and ships quickly. I have found the book helpful aswell. He has other books on M1 Carbines aswell.