M1 Carbine Oddity

rsteck · 07-21-2007, 01:05 PM

I have an M1 Carbine that Dad received from Inland Mfg when he resigned to go into business for himself after the war. Dad had been an expiditor at the gun division (and he was one of the best). The carbine has Inland Mfg Div and General Motors stamped on the barrel but there is no barrel date. The SN behind the rear sight is EX_ _ (two digits). I think this may have been an experimental gun or one that Inland made from surplus parts after the war.

Dad had the stock carved and the carbine has probably had no more than 100 rounds fired through it since it was new. I am just looking for any info that you folks may be able to provide about this carbine. It is in beautiful condition. Thanks.

bigandrich44 · 07-21-2007, 01:27 PM

Pictures would help a lot.

billy · 07-21-2007, 02:40 PM

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Bravo · 07-21-2007, 06:44 PM

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ArkansasHunter · 07-21-2007, 07:55 PM

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rsteck · 07-23-2007, 07:16 AM

I have a correction to make on my original message. The SN on the Carbine is XE_ _ (two digits) instead of EX_ _ as I had shown. Also the carbine is stamped "U.S. Carbine Cal. 30 M2" even though it was made as an M1 (no semi-/full- selector switch and no mechanism for full auto). This is how the carbine was made at Inland. It is a one owner carbine.

Orlando · 07-23-2007, 07:21 PM

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but your carbine is considered a full auto even though it doesn't operate that way. If it is marked M2 on the receiver the ATF considers this a auto firearm. If your Dad has papers for it you are OK otherwise you can face jail time if caught. I would be very careful who you show the rifle to.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 03-25-2008, 10:44 PM

April 2008 American Rifleman (why arent you in the NRA?). Rock-Ola fabricated a small number (around 60) "presentation" carbines as gifts to company execs and other officials. The first two dozen or so were not serially numbered. While some of the remaining examples had an EX prefix to the serial number. The presentation carbines typically had bright blue finish. Most had custom wood cases. Actually all the companies producing these rifles made these EX carbines. Too bad its an M2.

carls · 05-09-2008, 09:39 PM

I also have a presentation carbine that came from my uncle who was a supervisor in charge of quality control at inland. Mine is xd__. Mine is still unfired in the presentation wood box. I have the papers from INLAND giveing it to my uncle. Mine is an M1 marked but at about XD50 they used M2 recivers on the guns. Even if you have papers only the person whos name is on it can possess it acording to the BATF unless it was regestered in the 1968 amenisty.THEN IT CAN BE TRANSFERED . IT IS CONSIDERED A MACHINEGUN BY THE BATF IF IT HAS A M2 RECIVER I know of at least 2 that were confiscated at gunshows by the BATF and were distroyed. The owners got no compensation but wernt fined , but that was 10 years ago so now they would probably throw the book at you. So I would definatly not show it around . The X guns were given at the end of ww2 to high up workers as a momento of service as my papers say. They go plain X 1 -99 XA1-99 XB1-99 XC1-99 XD1-99and XE 1-99 The x to xc were test guns in the factory at wars end. The XD and XE were true presentation guns with special fancy wood. Non had high gloss blue like some other co. did . I had 2 other X guns one from rockola and one from quality hardware. They didnt have any special numbers but had fantastic wood without a sling cutout. The quality hardware had a X no on tang behind serial no. It had a fantastic Blue job. Both had papers from co. I have a large collection of carbines so if you need any more info let me know I will try to get back with you CARL

jamrosgerx · 05-11-2008, 02:05 AM

At exactly 8,069,660 M1/M2 Carbines were made during WWII.Only 6 Milllion were issued to GI troops and Militia.The serial number 1 to 5 produced by Inland Division of General Motors were experimentals.Serial numbers 6 to 10 was from Winchester Repeating Arms were also experimentals for both the 2 manufacturers. Serial number 11 to 999,999 again from Inland Division of General Motors this time they are for mass production.Inland Division of General Motors has the highest produced carbines at about 2,642,097 followed by Winchester Repeating arms 818,059,Underwood Elliot Fisher 545,616,National Postal Meter 413,017,Quality Hardware 359,666,IBM 346,500,Saginaw of GM 293,592,
Standard Products 247,160,Rock Ola 228,500,Saginaw Grand Rapids 223,620.The fisrt carbines were delivered in June 1942 and August 1945 were the last.The M1 Carbine you have mentioned was built by Inland Division of General Motors in 1942, and it is marked under XE or EX=Experimental if the SN is EX10 / XE10.M2 were standardized on September 1942.

carls · 05-11-2008, 04:53 PM

My presentation carbine is dated behind ft sight 8-23 -1945 .I think all the presentatiion group of carbines XD and XE were dated august 1945. I have a carbine in my collection tht is EX -- which is an experamental gun which is different than an presentation gun IT has a longer barell than standard . If you look behind the front about 1 in. you will see a mfg. date. which will tell when gun was MFG.IF DATED 1942 TO june 1945 it most likely an EX gun I also have a EX carbine that has no serial no on reciver but has EX00001 on bottom of reciver that came out of factory at the end of ww2 that was used as a test gun It is a cutaway modle that has sections of gun cutaway so you can see operation of gun . . SO _ EX _ guns were experamental _ XD _ and _XE _ were Presentation Both rare today, But EX guns are in the $2000 range XD and XE are in the $10000.00 range if NIB. with papers . CARL

07-21-2007, 01:05 PM	#1
rsteck Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2	M1 Carbine Oddity I have an M1 Carbine that Dad received from Inland Mfg when he resigned to go into business for himself after the war. Dad had been an expiditor at the gun division (and he was one of the best). The carbine has Inland Mfg Div and General Motors stamped on the barrel but there is no barrel date. The SN behind the rear sight is EX_ _ (two digits). I think this may have been an experimental gun or one that Inland made from surplus parts after the war. Dad had the stock carved and the carbine has probably had no more than 100 rounds fired through it since it was new. I am just looking for any info that you folks may be able to provide about this carbine. It is in beautiful condition. Thanks.

07-21-2007, 01:27 PM	#2
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07-23-2007, 07:16 AM	#6
rsteck Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2	M1 Carbine Oddity Additional Info I have a correction to make on my original message. The SN on the Carbine is XE_ _ (two digits) instead of EX_ _ as I had shown. Also the carbine is stamped "U.S. Carbine Cal. 30 M2" even though it was made as an M1 (no semi-/full- selector switch and no mechanism for full auto). This is how the carbine was made at Inland. It is a one owner carbine.

05-09-2008, 09:39 PM	#9
carls Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6	Presentation carbines I also have a presentation carbine that came from my uncle who was a supervisor in charge of quality control at inland. Mine is xd__. Mine is still unfired in the presentation wood box. I have the papers from INLAND giveing it to my uncle. Mine is an M1 marked but at about XD50 they used M2 recivers on the guns. Even if you have papers only the person whos name is on it can possess it acording to the BATF unless it was regestered in the 1968 amenisty.THEN IT CAN BE TRANSFERED . IT IS CONSIDERED A MACHINEGUN BY THE BATF IF IT HAS A M2 RECIVER I know of at least 2 that were confiscated at gunshows by the BATF and were distroyed. The owners got no compensation but wernt fined , but that was 10 years ago so now they would probably throw the book at you. So I would definatly not show it around . The X guns were given at the end of ww2 to high up workers as a momento of service as my papers say. They go plain X 1 -99 XA1-99 XB1-99 XC1-99 XD1-99and XE 1-99 The x to xc were test guns in the factory at wars end. The XD and XE were true presentation guns with special fancy wood. Non had high gloss blue like some other co. did . I had 2 other X guns one from rockola and one from quality hardware. They didnt have any special numbers but had fantastic wood without a sling cutout. The quality hardware had a X no on tang behind serial no. It had a fantastic Blue job. Both had papers from co. I have a large collection of carbines so if you need any more info let me know I will try to get back with you CARL

07-21-2007, 07:55 PM	#5
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,694	rsteck Welcome to Gun and Game were delighted you joined. You have an excellent question that may not can be answeared right away. So stick around or keep checking back. Maybe some one can help. ...A.H

07-23-2007, 07:21 PM	#7
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 542	I hate to be the bearer of bad news but your carbine is considered a full auto even though it doesn't operate that way. If it is marked M2 on the receiver the ATF considers this a auto firearm. If your Dad has papers for it you are OK otherwise you can face jail time if caught. I would be very careful who you show the rifle to.

03-25-2008, 10:44 PM	#8
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,293 Images: 12	April 2008 American Rifleman (why arent you in the NRA?). Rock-Ola fabricated a small number (around 60) "presentation" carbines as gifts to company execs and other officials. The first two dozen or so were not serially numbered. While some of the remaining examples had an EX prefix to the serial number. The presentation carbines typically had bright blue finish. Most had custom wood cases. Actually all the companies producing these rifles made these EX carbines. Too bad its an M2.

05-11-2008, 02:05 AM	#10
jamrosgerx Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15	At exactly 8,069,660 M1/M2 Carbines were made during WWII.Only 6 Milllion were issued to GI troops and Militia.The serial number 1 to 5 produced by Inland Division of General Motors were experimentals.Serial numbers 6 to 10 was from Winchester Repeating Arms were also experimentals for both the 2 manufacturers. Serial number 11 to 999,999 again from Inland Division of General Motors this time they are for mass production.Inland Division of General Motors has the highest produced carbines at about 2,642,097 followed by Winchester Repeating arms 818,059,Underwood Elliot Fisher 545,616,National Postal Meter 413,017,Quality Hardware 359,666,IBM 346,500,Saginaw of GM 293,592, Standard Products 247,160,Rock Ola 228,500,Saginaw Grand Rapids 223,620.The fisrt carbines were delivered in June 1942 and August 1945 were the last.The M1 Carbine you have mentioned was built by Inland Division of General Motors in 1942, and it is marked under XE or EX=Experimental if the SN is EX10 / XE10.M2 were standardized on September 1942. Last edited by jamrosgerx; 05-11-2008 at 08:23 AM.

05-11-2008, 04:53 PM	#11
carls Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6	My presentation carbine is dated behind ft sight 8-23 -1945 .I think all the presentatiion group of carbines XD and XE were dated august 1945. I have a carbine in my collection tht is EX -- which is an experamental gun which is different than an presentation gun IT has a longer barell than standard . If you look behind the front about 1 in. you will see a mfg. date. which will tell when gun was MFG.IF DATED 1942 TO june 1945 it most likely an EX gun I also have a EX carbine that has no serial no on reciver but has EX00001 on bottom of reciver that came out of factory at the end of ww2 that was used as a test gun It is a cutaway modle that has sections of gun cutaway so you can see operation of gun . . SO _ EX _ guns were experamental _ XD _ and _XE _ were Presentation Both rare today, But EX guns are in the $2000 range XD and XE are in the $10000.00 range if NIB. with papers . CARL