Info needed on Johnson, N,J. carbine

snuffysmith · 07-25-2007, 10:13 PM

I bought an M1 at a small gun show years ago, put it up and pretty much left it there untill recently. I'm trying to find out if it would be worth getting out & putting in prime condition. It had an ejection problem when I got it(may be cleaning problem or bolt).
I have found mixed reviews on the Johnson m1 on the web. This rifle has
Johnson, N.J. stamped just behind rear sight with a seriel no. that starts with AA24***(5digits) and U.S. Carbine 30 cal. M1 on the receiver at the barrel.
I am fond of the M1 as I carried one some in the Army alone with the Garand back in the early sixties.
Thanks for your help
Snuffy

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Time & weather changes everything

JBS · 07-25-2007, 11:57 PM

Where ya' from in central Arkansas, Snuffy? I'm from Hot Springs but live in Washington State, now. Can't be of any real help on a Johnson Carbine...Sorry, but that's a new one on me.

Oh, by the way, there's a feller from El Darado on here callin' hisself ArkansasHunter. I think the only thing he hunts is biscuits, though. Keep yer eye on him and keep your hand on yer pocketbook. Oh, and it prolly would be wise to lock up yer daughters, too. And if he starts ramblin' about pregnant chickens, just ignore him, he's probly on the hooch...again.

ArkansasHunter · 07-26-2007, 09:11 PM

snuffy WELCOME to GUN and GAME we shor glad you joined !!! Been a few Arkies join here lately.... Don't pay no attention to my interbred cuz JB he's been hitt'in the corn squeezz'ins pretty hard here lately.
The county made him clean up his front yard cause all them old washers were hold'in stagnant water caus'in a moskitoe problem....He claimed all that junk in his front yard was hiz empire...Or retirement investmints !
Well if'in they waz he's broke now calls they cleaned up the wrecking yard he had in his back yard too !!!!...Thanks for joining, it's always nice to have another family member join...A.H

bigandrich44 · 07-26-2007, 09:25 PM

Is it me, or did none of you help him out? He came here for help, not to learn about your inbred cousins.

Iver Johnson, is the appropriate name you should be searching for. Seems like they made the last carbines, and they also made some in 5.7mm Spitfire.

billy · 07-26-2007, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigandrich44

Is it me, or did none of you help him out? He came here for help, not to learn about your inbred cousins.

Iver Johnson, is the appropriate name you should be searching for. Seems like they made the last carbines, and they also made some in 5.7mm Spitfire.

no doubt!
ok heres a little bit that i have found.
Iver Johnson was the last company to manufacture the M1 carbines. During its production it also made M1 Carbines chambered for 9mm Luger

Iver Johnson's will accept USGI parts. The receivers are not as hard (Rockwell hardness) as the USGI receivers but they are a decent shooter carbine. Value on a very nice Iver Johnson is probably in the $350=$375 range or so.

Johnnycat · 07-26-2007, 09:50 PM

Worth getting out and putting into "Prime" condition? Probably not.

Worth getting out and putting into shooting condition to have fun with a great rifle? You bet.

billy · 07-26-2007, 09:52 PM

Starting in the mid-1950s, U.S. military surplus M1 Carbines were sold through the National Rifle Association for $20 (USD). When surplus stocks began to wane, there was limited civilian production of the design by Iver Johnson,

bigandrich44 · 07-26-2007, 10:04 PM

Atta way to look on wikipedia billy!! lol.

billy · 07-26-2007, 10:20 PM

i dont know all that crap! im just passing on information that i find.

Big Dog · 07-27-2007, 04:38 AM

Yep, the Iver-Johnsons are considered "Commercial Carbines", rather than true "GI" - but they are decent. They also marketed a neat little German-made (Erma EM-1) ".22 M1 Carbine" that is a fun little plinker, and cheaper to shoot.

jimb2 · 07-27-2007, 02:38 PM

You need to describe the ejection problem before I can help you. It could be any number of things, most of which are inexpensive to fix.

JoeLee · 07-27-2007, 03:26 PM

snuffysmith,All the parts you will ever need are here.The schematic must be ordered.

Iver Johnson*|*CARBINE*|*e-GunParts.com=

snuffysmith · 07-28-2007, 12:15 PM

Wow,
Thanks for the great info, guys! And the quick responses. I only paid $179 for the rifle so I've go some wiggle room to tweek it some.
JBS Ar, Hunter; us Razorbacks hava stick together don't we. I'm orginally from Heber Springs but live in central Ar. now(want to move back some day soon). Used to go to Hot Springs a lot in my younger days; bought a lot of hay for those nags at the track.
I'm sure glad I found this site, I'm feeling at home already.
Talk to ya later,NFF
Snuffy

TheJoker · 07-29-2007, 11:04 AM

Hello and Welcome ... You might want to check this article I found via google. I think I'd stick to the USGI carbines.
The Gun Zone -- M1 Carbine kB!

jimb2 · 07-29-2007, 07:31 PM

That looks like a slam-fire. the case burst just ahead of the web. That indicates that the cartidge hit something in the chamber before it could seat fully and the BOLT, not the firing pin set off the cartridge. There was probably a case separation where part of the previous case remained in the chamber stopping the next round before it could chamber fully, or else the cartridge had a high primer. In either case, I really doubt that it was the fault of the firearm. Of course Federal would deny any responsibility. Do you really thing that they would admit fault?!! Federal is known for having overly soft rifle brass. I won't even save their cases for reloading. I've only had a few casehead separations over the years, and evey one was a Federal case! Don't blame the carbnine for what looks very clearly like an ammo problem. I don't even like IJs, so don't accuse me of trying to protect them. What the writer doesn't seem to understand is that ALL carbine hammers will fall without the bolt being closed, USGI or commercial. But the hammer will NOT hit the firing pin except in the Universal, until the bolt is closed. That was an ammo problem, not a carbine problem regardless of what Federal says.

JoeLee · 07-29-2007, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJoker

Hello and Welcome ... You might want to check this article I found via google. I think I'd stick to the USGI carbines.
The Gun Zone -- M1 Carbine kB!

Joker,I'll just bet you'll tell a man his wife is ugly!

landtrain · 07-31-2007, 02:42 PM

The IJ carbine was one of 45 commercial M1 Carbines made between 1950 and 1975. Of those 45, the IJ was a bit better, stronger and accurate. It did accept GI parts, the bolt headspace being the biggest rejection. The fit and finish was quite good considering. I believe the price was in the $150 range. Special guns and the national guard commeratives were a few dollars more. They introduced the D Day gun with the laser etched stock. Commercial Carbines were not as hard as GI units but then they were never intended to fire 1000-1500 rounds per day when the bad guys were intent on perferating your bod. Is it worth spending money to up grade it. What's wrong with it??? Termits eat the stock. Barrel bent? component missing. No. Forget it, buy a Ruger 10/22. On the other hand, if all it needs is a good cleaning and shot a few times. It will last you your lifetime and mostlikley your grandsons lifetime as long as you remember, it is NOT a GI carbine. Stay away from hot reloads and remember, it was designed to wound an enemy not kill a moose at 500 yards using ball ammo. Clean it and shoot it.

snuffysmith · 09-06-2007, 10:44 PM

I finally got off my rear and took the gun to a gunsmith. It took about 10 days b4 they called me back. Holding my breath, I asked what had been the problem with it and the guy assured me it wasn't too bad. It was a broken ejector on the bolt. I guess I could have tryed to fix it myself but I've read up on taking the bolt apart and if you don't have that bolt tool it can be a mess.
The gun smith said that the rifle is working fine now and I should have no further problems with it.
He also cleaned it throughly and test fired it so I guess I'll keep it for a while.

A relieved Snuffy Smith

ArkansasHunter · 09-06-2007, 11:56 PM

Great to hear Cuz...A.H

Dookiebutt · 10-01-2007, 06:42 AM

I had an IJ .30 cal carbine. It was very nice and would take USGI parts. It was a very good shooter.

07-25-2007, 10:13 PM	#1
snuffysmith Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: central Arkansas Posts: 562	Info needed on Johnson, N,J. carbine I bought an M1 at a small gun show years ago, put it up and pretty much left it there untill recently. I'm trying to find out if it would be worth getting out & putting in prime condition. It had an ejection problem when I got it(may be cleaning problem or bolt). I have found mixed reviews on the Johnson m1 on the web. This rifle has Johnson, N.J. stamped just behind rear sight with a seriel no. that starts with AA24***(5digits) and U.S. Carbine 30 cal. M1 on the receiver at the barrel. I am fond of the M1 as I carried one some in the Army alone with the Garand back in the early sixties. Thanks for your help Snuffy --------------------- Time & weather changes everything

07-25-2007, 11:57 PM	#2
JBS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 761	Where ya' from in central Arkansas, Snuffy? I'm from Hot Springs but live in Washington State, now. Can't be of any real help on a Johnson Carbine...Sorry, but that's a new one on me. Oh, by the way, there's a feller from El Darado on here callin' hisself ArkansasHunter. I think the only thing he hunts is biscuits, though. Keep yer eye on him and keep your hand on yer pocketbook. Oh, and it prolly would be wise to lock up yer daughters, too. And if he starts ramblin' about pregnant chickens, just ignore him, he's probly on the hooch...again. Last edited by JBS; 07-26-2007 at 12:02 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

07-26-2007, 09:11 PM	#3
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,675	snuffy WELCOME to GUN and GAME we shor glad you joined !!! Been a few Arkies join here lately.... Don't pay no attention to my interbred cuz JB he's been hitt'in the corn squeezz'ins pretty hard here lately. The county made him clean up his front yard cause all them old washers were hold'in stagnant water caus'in a moskitoe problem....He claimed all that junk in his front yard was hiz empire...Or retirement investmints ! Well if'in they waz he's broke now calls they cleaned up the wrecking yard he had in his back yard too !!!!...Thanks for joining, it's always nice to have another family member join...A.H Last edited by ArkansasHunter; 07-26-2007 at 10:07 PM.

07-26-2007, 09:25 PM	#4
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013	Is it me, or did none of you help him out? He came here for help, not to learn about your inbred cousins. Iver Johnson, is the appropriate name you should be searching for. Seems like they made the last carbines, and they also made some in 5.7mm Spitfire. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

07-26-2007, 09:50 PM	#6
Johnnycat Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tupelo, MS Posts: 246	Worth getting out and putting into "Prime" condition? Probably not. Worth getting out and putting into shooting condition to have fun with a great rifle? You bet. __________________ Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley

07-26-2007, 09:52 PM	#7
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,928 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 145	Starting in the mid-1950s, U.S. military surplus M1 Carbines were sold through the National Rifle Association for $20 (USD). When surplus stocks began to wane, there was limited civilian production of the design by Iver Johnson, __________________ internet yards and real yards are completely different units of measure.

07-26-2007, 10:04 PM	#8
bigandrich44 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,013	Atta way to look on wikipedia billy!! lol. __________________ http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1...eehobosig9.png

07-26-2007, 10:20 PM	#9
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,928 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 145	i dont know all that crap! im just passing on information that i find. __________________ internet yards and real yards are completely different units of measure.

07-27-2007, 04:38 AM	#10
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,201	Yep, the Iver-Johnsons are considered "Commercial Carbines", rather than true "GI" - but they are decent. They also marketed a neat little German-made (Erma EM-1) ".22 M1 Carbine" that is a fun little plinker, and cheaper to shoot. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

07-27-2007, 02:38 PM	#11
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 510	You need to describe the ejection problem before I can help you. It could be any number of things, most of which are inexpensive to fix. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

07-27-2007, 03:26 PM	#12
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	snuffysmith,All the parts you will ever need are here.The schematic must be ordered. Iver Johnson\|CARBINE\|e-GunParts.com=

07-28-2007, 12:15 PM	#13
snuffysmith Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: central Arkansas Posts: 562	Wow, Thanks for the great info, guys! And the quick responses. I only paid $179 for the rifle so I've go some wiggle room to tweek it some. JBS Ar, Hunter; us Razorbacks hava stick together don't we. I'm orginally from Heber Springs but live in central Ar. now(want to move back some day soon). Used to go to Hot Springs a lot in my younger days; bought a lot of hay for those nags at the track. I'm sure glad I found this site, I'm feeling at home already. Talk to ya later,NFF Snuffy

07-29-2007, 11:04 AM	#14
TheJoker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 281	Hello and Welcome ... You might want to check this article I found via google. I think I'd stick to the USGI carbines. The Gun Zone -- M1 Carbine kB! __________________ "Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss." -- Lazarus Long

07-29-2007, 07:31 PM	#15
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 510	That looks like a slam-fire. the case burst just ahead of the web. That indicates that the cartidge hit something in the chamber before it could seat fully and the BOLT, not the firing pin set off the cartridge. There was probably a case separation where part of the previous case remained in the chamber stopping the next round before it could chamber fully, or else the cartridge had a high primer. In either case, I really doubt that it was the fault of the firearm. Of course Federal would deny any responsibility. Do you really thing that they would admit fault?!! Federal is known for having overly soft rifle brass. I won't even save their cases for reloading. I've only had a few casehead separations over the years, and evey one was a Federal case! Don't blame the carbnine for what looks very clearly like an ammo problem. I don't even like IJs, so don't accuse me of trying to protect them. What the writer doesn't seem to understand is that ALL carbine hammers will fall without the bolt being closed, USGI or commercial. But the hammer will NOT hit the firing pin except in the Universal, until the bolt is closed. That was an ammo problem, not a carbine problem regardless of what Federal says. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

07-31-2007, 02:42 PM	#17
landtrain Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Spotsylvania Court House, VA. Posts: 29	Iver Johnson commercial carbine The IJ carbine was one of 45 commercial M1 Carbines made between 1950 and 1975. Of those 45, the IJ was a bit better, stronger and accurate. It did accept GI parts, the bolt headspace being the biggest rejection. The fit and finish was quite good considering. I believe the price was in the $150 range. Special guns and the national guard commeratives were a few dollars more. They introduced the D Day gun with the laser etched stock. Commercial Carbines were not as hard as GI units but then they were never intended to fire 1000-1500 rounds per day when the bad guys were intent on perferating your bod. Is it worth spending money to up grade it. What's wrong with it??? Termits eat the stock. Barrel bent? component missing. No. Forget it, buy a Ruger 10/22. On the other hand, if all it needs is a good cleaning and shot a few times. It will last you your lifetime and mostlikley your grandsons lifetime as long as you remember, it is NOT a GI carbine. Stay away from hot reloads and remember, it was designed to wound an enemy not kill a moose at 500 yards using ball ammo. Clean it and shoot it.

09-06-2007, 10:44 PM	#18
snuffysmith Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: central Arkansas Posts: 562	re: problem ejecting shells I finally got off my rear and took the gun to a gunsmith. It took about 10 days b4 they called me back. Holding my breath, I asked what had been the problem with it and the guy assured me it wasn't too bad. It was a broken ejector on the bolt. I guess I could have tryed to fix it myself but I've read up on taking the bolt apart and if you don't have that bolt tool it can be a mess. The gun smith said that the rifle is working fine now and I should have no further problems with it. He also cleaned it throughly and test fired it so I guess I'll keep it for a while. A relieved Snuffy Smith __________________ time & weather changes everything

09-06-2007, 11:56 PM	#19
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 10,675	Great to hear Cuz...A.H

10-01-2007, 06:42 AM	#20
Dookiebutt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: America's North Coast Posts: 1,156	I had an IJ .30 cal carbine. It was very nice and would take USGI parts. It was a very good shooter.