M1 Carbine bolt tool

.22guy · 12-20-2007, 11:55 PM

Hey guys,
I (should) be having an CMP inland service grade carbine coming in soon.

I'm wondering how necessary it is to get the carbine bolt tool? I want to be sure the gun is safe and not going to break the bolt, receiver, etc.

What do you think? And where is the best (cheapest) place to get one?

Thanks!

Mooseman684 · 12-20-2007, 11:58 PM

You really don't need the bolt tool...The CMP carbines are all INSPECTED prior to shipment...No need for the tool unless you break something...I have one and have never used it yet...
Rich

oldjarhead · 12-21-2007, 12:08 AM

Moose is right, the CMP inspects all their guns to a limit. They do not break the bolt down and clean it. I have the tool and have used in on all of my carbines. The bolts (springs) on my CMP purchases were so gunked up I was surprised they even ejected anything. The bolt tool, in my opinion, is a valuable tool in keeping the carbine in good working order. Cost in the vicinityof $25. It would not be a bad idea to order the parts that would allow you to rebuild your bolt if (when) necessary. BTW, you may only use it once a year but it sure makes disassembly/assembly of the bolt much easier
Northridge International (M1, M1 Carbine Parts) or
Fulton Armory Home Page

.22guy · 12-21-2007, 12:13 AM

Rich, do you think i would need it to clean the bolt prior to firing?

Mooseman684 · 12-21-2007, 12:17 AM

I usually just soak my bolts in mineral spirits and use an air compressor to blow them out clean...never had a problem doing this...
Rich

Quote:

Originally Posted by .22guy

Rich, do you think i would need it to clean the bolt prior to firing?

That depends on how clean the bolt is when it arrives...if the firing pin moves freely and the extractor doesnt look all greasy and moves freely under spring pressure, it is probably OK....

.22guy · 12-21-2007, 12:20 AM

Sweet that will save me some bucks. I'm already walking a VERY fine line with the wife right now, having gotten a CMP Garand, a CZ-52 and ordering this carbine in the last 3 months.

Thanks Rich (and jarhead)

oldjarhead · 12-21-2007, 12:36 AM

The problem isn't readily visible. The ejector spring and the extractor retention spring are caked with cosmoline; so bad on one of mine there was no daylight between coils on either spring. Also the wells have heavy cosmoline in them. Just giving you a heads up.

Mooseman684 · 12-21-2007, 12:40 AM

I could loan you my tool if need be...
Rich

oldjarhead · 12-21-2007, 12:54 AM

Now that's a great offer. IF you decide to clean the bolt...use pipe cleaners or something similiar...DON'T use Q-tips to clean the ejector spring well; that cotton is a real bear to get out after it comes off the freeking stick...LOL

Orlando · 12-21-2007, 05:52 AM

oldjarhead is right, get the tool,. You should learn to break it down anyway

jimb2 · 12-21-2007, 09:37 PM

Get the tool. If you ever have a problem with an extractor, ejctor or firing pin, you can buy the part for between $5 and $15 depending on which it is and install it yourself in 5 minutes. If you atke it to a gunsmith, it will cost you as much as a whole new bolt and it will take anywhere from 2 hours to 2 weeks (or possibly more) to get it back!

mosineer · 12-22-2007, 08:39 PM

Numrich Gun Parts has original GI issue and repro's of the tool. Both pretty reasonable. For the price, it is well worth it to have one on hand. Congrats!! on a nice buy..

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Hook686 · 12-22-2007, 10:47 PM

I just took my SG CMP Inland to the range. Not a shot was fired. The cartridges would not seat in the bolt. Factory FMJ rounds from Georgia Arms. I collected them and refilled the magazine. All rounds fired smoothly in another CMP Inland carbine.

I observed that the case head was not being engaged by the extractor. Letting the bolt go, it 'slammed' into the cartridge and went to the chamber ... however, pulling the trigger only resulted in a 'click', rather than a 'bang'. That is when I noticed the cartridge was not being engaged by the extractor. Simply pulling the slide handle back showed that. I had to put my finger nail in to pull the round out of the chamber.

I have the bolt tool. Turns out to be a good buy now. I've got the bolt sitting in a puddle of mineral spirits right now. I do not know how to use the bolt tool. Is there any picture, or diagram for using the tool ?

Does anyone have any ideas other than cleaning the bolt, and replacing the recoil spring that might cause this type problem. The above reference to the CMP verifying the bolt functionality is apparently wrong.

oldjarhead · 12-23-2007, 10:00 AM

Hook, There are several things that could be occuring. The firing pin protrusion may be too short, or the fp is broken or stuck. A broken or weak hammer spring. I think you are starting in the right place...the bolt. I have procedures to use the bolt tool but I don't know how to import stuff to this site. I'll be happy to scan and send it to you if you provide me with your e-mail address. The bolt tool is pretty easy to use but you need to be careful not to force the turn screw for fear of breaking the compression tang so just go slow.
There are two tangs on the tool that slide between the extractor and the extractor plunger/spring. Use the solid one to disassemble the bolt and the split one to assemble the bolt.
Slide the bolt into the tool, bolt face first and make sure the ejector pin is in contact with the plunger on the tool. Pushing forward and down the bolt will easily lock into place. Make sure the compression tang is sliding into the space between the extractor and theplunger/spring. Slowly turn the screw on the tool. The bolt should move forward and the ejector will be compressed at the same time the extractor plunger will be compressed. Tighten the screw until the extractor can be pushed out. There is a hole in the bottom of the tool that will align with the extractor and make it easy to remove the extractor. After the extractor is removed, PLACE YOUR HAND OVER THE PLUNGER/SPRING so you can catch the small parts...they will fly away if you don't. Slowly remove the tension by backing off the screw knob. The bolt will release from the tool and you can facilitate cleaning it. Re-assembly goes pretty much the same way but in reverse.
Hope this helps. Fulton Armory Home Page sells a shop manual for the carbine which is an excellent source of information. You may want to consider adding that to your library.
Any problems, feel free to contact me at my personal e-mail (on my profile) or here.

BTW, make sure you contact CMP and make them aware of the problem and tell them that you are going to clean the bolt. This will make it easier to work with them on a replacement bolt if the cleaning doesn't solve the issue. Keep the e-mail you send to them so you can form a chain of information between you and them. I had a loose and suspected bent op rod on one of my CMP carbines and they worked with me to resolve the issue. Just set up a chain of information with the CMP.

mosineer · 12-23-2007, 10:04 AM

Surplusrifle .com has detailed instruction. Here is the link to using the bolt tool. Collecting and Shooting the Military Surplus Rifle (2006) - Surplusrifle.com Go bottom left of page and click on M1 Carbine. There will be reference to the tool under maintenece. Far from being any expert other than personal experience, disassembly and cleaning can only help. Not that there may be other problems, but since you already have the tool, it may be the cheapest and quickest fix. Good luck and let us know what you find and if that takes care of your problem.

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Hook686 · 12-23-2007, 10:35 AM

I soaked the bolt overnight in mineral spirits. I then used the bolt tool to disassemble the bolt. I cleaned and lubricated. I did not change any of the parts. I reassembled and a dummy round fed and ejected just fine.

Today I will take it to the range and see if it fires a couple of magazines of Georgia Arms FMJ rounds. I suspect it will.

Thanks for the information.

Hook686 · 12-26-2007, 02:24 AM

I took the carbine to the range, and it fired, extracted and ejected cleanly. My son was very happy with his Christmas present. I think the bolt tool essential to owning an M1 Carbine.

mosineer · 12-26-2007, 10:15 AM

Very, very nice!! Looks like a fine shooter!! Hope your son enjoys it. Makes me want to buy another one, and another, and......

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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

12-20-2007, 11:55 PM	#1
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,829	M1 Carbine bolt tool Hey guys, I (should) be having an CMP inland service grade carbine coming in soon. I'm wondering how necessary it is to get the carbine bolt tool? I want to be sure the gun is safe and not going to break the bolt, receiver, etc. What do you think? And where is the best (cheapest) place to get one? Thanks! __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy

12-20-2007, 11:58 PM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 8,919	You really don't need the bolt tool...The CMP carbines are all INSPECTED prior to shipment...No need for the tool unless you break something...I have one and have never used it yet... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-21-2007, 12:13 AM	#4
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,829	Rich, do you think i would need it to clean the bolt prior to firing? __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy

12-21-2007, 12:20 AM	#6
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,829	Sweet that will save me some bucks. I'm already walking a VERY fine line with the wife right now, having gotten a CMP Garand, a CZ-52 and ordering this carbine in the last 3 months. Thanks Rich (and jarhead) __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy

12-21-2007, 12:40 AM	#8
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 8,919	I could loan you my tool if need be... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

12-21-2007, 12:08 AM	#3
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pottersville, MO Posts: 571	Moose is right, the CMP inspects all their guns to a limit. They do not break the bolt down and clean it. I have the tool and have used in on all of my carbines. The bolts (springs) on my CMP purchases were so gunked up I was surprised they even ejected anything. The bolt tool, in my opinion, is a valuable tool in keeping the carbine in good working order. Cost in the vicinityof $25. It would not be a bad idea to order the parts that would allow you to rebuild your bolt if (when) necessary. BTW, you may only use it once a year but it sure makes disassembly/assembly of the bolt much easier Northridge International (M1, M1 Carbine Parts) or Fulton Armory Home Page

12-21-2007, 12:36 AM	#7
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pottersville, MO Posts: 571	The problem isn't readily visible. The ejector spring and the extractor retention spring are caked with cosmoline; so bad on one of mine there was no daylight between coils on either spring. Also the wells have heavy cosmoline in them. Just giving you a heads up.

12-21-2007, 12:54 AM	#9
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pottersville, MO Posts: 571	Now that's a great offer. IF you decide to clean the bolt...use pipe cleaners or something similiar...DON'T use Q-tips to clean the ejector spring well; that cotton is a real bear to get out after it comes off the freeking stick...LOL

12-21-2007, 05:52 AM	#10
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 457	oldjarhead is right, get the tool,. You should learn to break it down anyway

12-21-2007, 09:37 PM	#11
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 482	Get the tool. If you ever have a problem with an extractor, ejctor or firing pin, you can buy the part for between $5 and $15 depending on which it is and install it yourself in 5 minutes. If you atke it to a gunsmith, it will cost you as much as a whole new bolt and it will take anywhere from 2 hours to 2 weeks (or possibly more) to get it back! __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

12-22-2007, 08:39 PM	#12
mosineer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,151	Numrich Gun Parts has original GI issue and repro's of the tool. Both pretty reasonable. For the price, it is well worth it to have one on hand. Congrats!! on a nice buy.. ************************************************** All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing**

12-22-2007, 10:47 PM	#13
Hook686 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 6	I just took my SG CMP Inland to the range. Not a shot was fired. The cartridges would not seat in the bolt. Factory FMJ rounds from Georgia Arms. I collected them and refilled the magazine. All rounds fired smoothly in another CMP Inland carbine. I observed that the case head was not being engaged by the extractor. Letting the bolt go, it 'slammed' into the cartridge and went to the chamber ... however, pulling the trigger only resulted in a 'click', rather than a 'bang'. That is when I noticed the cartridge was not being engaged by the extractor. Simply pulling the slide handle back showed that. I had to put my finger nail in to pull the round out of the chamber. I have the bolt tool. Turns out to be a good buy now. I've got the bolt sitting in a puddle of mineral spirits right now. I do not know how to use the bolt tool. Is there any picture, or diagram for using the tool ? Does anyone have any ideas other than cleaning the bolt, and replacing the recoil spring that might cause this type problem. The above reference to the CMP verifying the bolt functionality is apparently wrong.

12-23-2007, 10:00 AM	#14
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pottersville, MO Posts: 571	Hook, There are several things that could be occuring. The firing pin protrusion may be too short, or the fp is broken or stuck. A broken or weak hammer spring. I think you are starting in the right place...the bolt. I have procedures to use the bolt tool but I don't know how to import stuff to this site. I'll be happy to scan and send it to you if you provide me with your e-mail address. The bolt tool is pretty easy to use but you need to be careful not to force the turn screw for fear of breaking the compression tang so just go slow. There are two tangs on the tool that slide between the extractor and the extractor plunger/spring. Use the solid one to disassemble the bolt and the split one to assemble the bolt. Slide the bolt into the tool, bolt face first and make sure the ejector pin is in contact with the plunger on the tool. Pushing forward and down the bolt will easily lock into place. Make sure the compression tang is sliding into the space between the extractor and theplunger/spring. Slowly turn the screw on the tool. The bolt should move forward and the ejector will be compressed at the same time the extractor plunger will be compressed. Tighten the screw until the extractor can be pushed out. There is a hole in the bottom of the tool that will align with the extractor and make it easy to remove the extractor. After the extractor is removed, PLACE YOUR HAND OVER THE PLUNGER/SPRING so you can catch the small parts...they will fly away if you don't. Slowly remove the tension by backing off the screw knob. The bolt will release from the tool and you can facilitate cleaning it. Re-assembly goes pretty much the same way but in reverse. Hope this helps. Fulton Armory Home Page sells a shop manual for the carbine which is an excellent source of information. You may want to consider adding that to your library. Any problems, feel free to contact me at my personal e-mail (on my profile) or here. BTW, make sure you contact CMP and make them aware of the problem and tell them that you are going to clean the bolt. This will make it easier to work with them on a replacement bolt if the cleaning doesn't solve the issue. Keep the e-mail you send to them so you can form a chain of information between you and them. I had a loose and suspected bent op rod on one of my CMP carbines and they worked with me to resolve the issue. Just set up a chain of information with the CMP. Last edited by oldjarhead; 12-23-2007 at 10:12 AM.

12-23-2007, 10:04 AM	#15
mosineer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,151	Surplusrifle .com has detailed instruction. Here is the link to using the bolt tool. Collecting and Shooting the Military Surplus Rifle (2006) - Surplusrifle.com Go bottom left of page and click on M1 Carbine. There will be reference to the tool under maintenece. Far from being any expert other than personal experience, disassembly and cleaning can only help. Not that there may be other problems, but since you already have the tool, it may be the cheapest and quickest fix. Good luck and let us know what you find and if that takes care of your problem. ************************************************** All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing**

12-23-2007, 10:35 AM	#16
Hook686 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 6	I soaked the bolt overnight in mineral spirits. I then used the bolt tool to disassemble the bolt. I cleaned and lubricated. I did not change any of the parts. I reassembled and a dummy round fed and ejected just fine. Today I will take it to the range and see if it fires a couple of magazines of Georgia Arms FMJ rounds. I suspect it will. Thanks for the information.

12-26-2007, 02:24 AM	#17
Hook686 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 6	I took the carbine to the range, and it fired, extracted and ejected cleanly. My son was very happy with his Christmas present. I think the bolt tool essential to owning an M1 Carbine.

12-26-2007, 10:15 AM	#18
mosineer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,151	Very, very nice!! Looks like a fine shooter!! Hope your son enjoys it. Makes me want to buy another one, and another, and...... *************************************************** All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing**

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