non import "paratrooper" or import standard

digger70chall · 06-25-2008, 05:21 PM

Hey guys, been running around trying to gather information on these guns. At my local gunshop there is an inland serial #947xxxX there is an X at the end of the serial number and i'm not sure what that means. I couldn't find any import marking on the barrel. The stock is a replacement, it doesn't have any markings on it and looks brand new...also the whole thing has been parkerized recently. The barrel is an underwood which i think is correct for an inland. I figure the gun isn't worth as much as an actual paratrooper with original stock but do you think 900 bucks is fair, are there any resources to tell me if it's in the right range for a paratrooper carbine?

The other thing i'm looking for is information on a "standard" receiver. It has serial number in the low 2million with an underwood barell stamped in 44 but has import markings on it. The stock looks original/beat up and i think he's asking 600 for it.

I just picked up a Mosin and will be grabbing a Mauser next week, the goal is to get one of each of the major rifles before summer next year and before prices get out of reach for me.

Thanks for taking the time to read this crazy long thread. I've got 9 years in the Navy so far and just got the collecting bug recently

jimb2 · 06-25-2008, 06:51 PM

The X after the serial number means that it is a duplicate number. Saginaw madea lot of receivers for Inland in that serial number range. Inland ran their own numbers into that same range. That is the reasn for the X. They are fairly rare, so the asking price is not out of line with the rarity of the markings.
Unless the barrel of the Standard Products has a Blue Sky import mark, I'd say the price was fair.

digger70chall · 06-25-2008, 09:24 PM

thanks for the help, the guy told me that the X afterwards was due to arsenal rebuild

but if it's something kinda unique then i think i'll pick it up.

Thanks with the standard products also, i didn't recognize the name so i wanted to make sure it wasn't a post ww2 civilian effort.

digger70chall · 06-25-2008, 10:57 PM

so an inland with an underwood barrel is normal? i cant figure out if inland made their own barrels or not.
Also where can i find the correct serial range for the paratrooper? Thanks for the quick response earlier too

M14man · 06-25-2008, 11:32 PM

There was no correct range per se. They were Inland's and M1A1 rifles only differed in the stocks, so individual numbers were not kept. Inland made the original ones, but some other manufacturers were put in M1A1 stocks when they went thru rebuild. The American Rifleman had an article on it a couple of years ago.

Dookiebutt · 06-26-2008, 06:12 AM

Is the "X" stamped in like the rest of the numbers or is it scratched it?

digger70chall · 06-26-2008, 06:35 AM

it was stamped into the receiver, not scratched
it does look possible that the X was done at a later time, not saying it's not a real stamp or anything but maybe they realized the overlap after the original stamping and had to go back to add the X?
only reason i think it looks like it was done at a different time is because the depth looks slightly different.
anyone know how rare this is? basically i would be buying this gun for the metal since the stock is clearly reproduction.

livebythegun · 06-26-2008, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by digger70chall

so an inland with an underwood barrel is normal? i cant figure out if inland made their own barrels or not.
Also where can i find the correct serial range for the paratrooper? Thanks for the quick response earlier too

I have an Inland with all Inland parts, barrel dated 7-43, trigger group with the Inland stamp and a walnut Inland stock. Yes Inland made barrels. What you are looking at is a mismatched gun, worth about $500 maybe, I paid $650 for mine. Look in my gallery pictures there's a picture of it there. Underwood was one of the nine companies that produced the M1 carbine.http://www.fulton-armory.com/M1Carbine.htm Check this out.

digger70chall · 06-26-2008, 09:44 AM

I edited my original post, i got the serial number mixed up with all the other carbines i was looking at... the actual serial number is 947,225X sorry to confuse you guys, trust me i'm confused enough here hehe

M14man · 06-26-2008, 01:53 PM

Give the number again, you are not typing correctly.. 9 million? or 900 thousand?

digger70chall · 06-26-2008, 04:03 PM

900 thousand with an X stamped at the end

M14man · 06-26-2008, 06:25 PM

I'm sorry, it was just as you wrote....The x may add a $100 or two to the value, and the stock though a repro would not hurt the value either. The 'X' though is so easy to fake. There are people who would add one if they thought they could get more money. I would say the value would be $700 at least.

digger70chall · 06-26-2008, 06:58 PM

yeah i'm gonna pass on this one i think, i like shooting and everything but my real reasoning for owning these is the history behind them Thanks again for your guys help, i'll be sure to keep up with the going ons here and post when i've found one worth keeping

06-25-2008, 05:21 PM	#1
digger70chall Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0)	non import "paratrooper" or import standard Hey guys, been running around trying to gather information on these guns. At my local gunshop there is an inland serial #947xxxX there is an X at the end of the serial number and i'm not sure what that means. I couldn't find any import marking on the barrel. The stock is a replacement, it doesn't have any markings on it and looks brand new...also the whole thing has been parkerized recently. The barrel is an underwood which i think is correct for an inland. I figure the gun isn't worth as much as an actual paratrooper with original stock but do you think 900 bucks is fair, are there any resources to tell me if it's in the right range for a paratrooper carbine? The other thing i'm looking for is information on a "standard" receiver. It has serial number in the low 2million with an underwood barell stamped in 44 but has import markings on it. The stock looks original/beat up and i think he's asking 600 for it. I just picked up a Mosin and will be grabbing a Mauser next week, the goal is to get one of each of the major rifles before summer next year and before prices get out of reach for me. Thanks for taking the time to read this crazy long thread. I've got 9 years in the Navy so far and just got the collecting bug recently Last edited by digger70chall; 06-26-2008 at 09:43 AM.

06-25-2008, 06:51 PM	#2
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 496 Trader Rating: (0)	The X after the serial number means that it is a duplicate number. Saginaw madea lot of receivers for Inland in that serial number range. Inland ran their own numbers into that same range. That is the reasn for the X. They are fairly rare, so the asking price is not out of line with the rarity of the markings. Unless the barrel of the Standard Products has a Blue Sky import mark, I'd say the price was fair. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

06-25-2008, 10:57 PM	#4
digger70chall Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0)	so an inland with an underwood barrel is normal? i cant figure out if inland made their own barrels or not. Also where can i find the correct serial range for the paratrooper? Thanks for the quick response earlier too Last edited by digger70chall; 06-25-2008 at 11:19 PM.

06-25-2008, 09:24 PM	#3
digger70chall Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0)	thanks for the help, the guy told me that the X afterwards was due to arsenal rebuild but if it's something kinda unique then i think i'll pick it up. Thanks with the standard products also, i didn't recognize the name so i wanted to make sure it wasn't a post ww2 civilian effort.

06-25-2008, 11:32 PM	#5
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 366 Trader Rating: (0)	There was no correct range per se. They were Inland's and M1A1 rifles only differed in the stocks, so individual numbers were not kept. Inland made the original ones, but some other manufacturers were put in M1A1 stocks when they went thru rebuild. The American Rifleman had an article on it a couple of years ago.

06-26-2008, 06:12 AM	#6
Dookiebutt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,024 Trader Rating: (0)	Is the "X" stamped in like the rest of the numbers or is it scratched it?

06-26-2008, 06:35 AM	#7
digger70chall Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0)	it was stamped into the receiver, not scratched it does look possible that the X was done at a later time, not saying it's not a real stamp or anything but maybe they realized the overlap after the original stamping and had to go back to add the X? only reason i think it looks like it was done at a different time is because the depth looks slightly different. anyone know how rare this is? basically i would be buying this gun for the metal since the stock is clearly reproduction.

06-26-2008, 09:44 AM	#9
digger70chall Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0)	I edited my original post, i got the serial number mixed up with all the other carbines i was looking at... the actual serial number is 947,225X sorry to confuse you guys, trust me i'm confused enough here hehe

06-26-2008, 01:53 PM	#10
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 366 Trader Rating: (0)	Give the number again, you are not typing correctly.. 9 million? or 900 thousand?

06-26-2008, 04:03 PM	#11
digger70chall Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0)	900 thousand with an X stamped at the end

06-26-2008, 06:25 PM	#12
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 366 Trader Rating: (0)	I'm sorry, it was just as you wrote....The x may add a $100 or two to the value, and the stock though a repro would not hurt the value either. The 'X' though is so easy to fake. There are people who would add one if they thought they could get more money. I would say the value would be $700 at least.

06-26-2008, 06:58 PM	#13
digger70chall Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0)	yeah i'm gonna pass on this one i think, i like shooting and everything but my real reasoning for owning these is the history behind them Thanks again for your guys help, i'll be sure to keep up with the going ons here and post when i've found one worth keeping