Help!!!! my Winchester is blue

illinoisgunguy · 06-30-2008, 11:18 PM

i have a winchester carbine that has a blue finish. some people tell me that it is correct. others tell me too bad its blued....question is:were any carbines blued or has someone ruined this gun? how can i tell if mine is correct?

F1609 · 06-30-2008, 11:22 PM

well, what kind of carbine is it? Winchester makes a butt load of rifles, and a butt load of them inc arbine configuration. It would help us all out a lot with a little more info.

GlockMeister · 06-30-2008, 11:36 PM

Give me the exact model and all the info you can and I'll look it up in a Winchester special edition collectors book I have and see just what was produced with what options or materials or whatever. Give me the year if possible. If you're unsure on the year, go to this link and put your serial # in and then let me/us know.
Winchester Manufacture Dates

F1609 · 06-30-2008, 11:47 PM

glockmeister, are there any websites like that for remingtons?

F1609 · 07-01-2008, 12:10 AM

oh my god, i feel like a real stupid guy now... i never looked at where this thread was, just now noticed it was in the m1 carbine section.....opps...

GlockMeister · 07-01-2008, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by F1609

glockmeister, are there any websites like that for remingtons?

Here you go...
Remington Manufacture Dates

Dookiebutt · 07-01-2008, 06:16 AM

Do you mean shiny blued like a fancy shot gun or Dulite blued, like WWII firearms?

livebythegun · 07-01-2008, 08:06 AM

It should not be blued. Someone has ruined a rifle.

M14man · 07-01-2008, 10:33 AM

Your Carbine should not be blued. Who ever did ruined alot of it's value.

illinoisgunguy · 07-01-2008, 12:59 PM

let me try again......i have a m1 carbine winchester mfg. ser number is 5788006. this gun has a blue or black finish...some people have told me its correct others make fun of me....could this gun have a dulite finish or has someone blued it? stock is in good condition with some markings on it...im not a student of these guns ...i know more about more modern weapons. if it is blued is it worth parkerizing or should i take my losses and pass it on to someone else? i think i gave $425 for it several years ago....there are no import marks on it

GlockMeister · 07-01-2008, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by illinoisgunguy

let me try again......i have a m1 carbine winchester mfg. ser number is 5788006. this gun has a blue or black finish...some people have told me its correct others make fun of me....could this gun have a dulite finish or has someone blued it? stock is in good condition with some markings on it...im not a student of these guns ...i know more about more modern weapons. if it is blued is it worth parkerizing or should i take my losses and pass it on to someone else? i think i gave $425 for it several years ago....there are no import marks on it

Might I suggest posting some pictures so the ones that may be able to help you here, can see exactly what you're talking about and describing? You just might get better results...

nathangdad · 07-01-2008, 03:26 PM

finish but, as someone else pointed out, Winchester produced
a massive amount of firearms and having some of them made
in a special run for presentation guns is not unknown.

It could be you have a sort of factory rare gun. I advise pictures at every
possible ange with every number or symbol or letter in the metal and the wood shown as some of the forum members do have a great deal of
historical material on hand. Perhaps they will have the answer.

jimb2 · 07-01-2008, 08:37 PM

Ok...Here goes. Winchester did NOT parkerize all of its M1 Carbines. Many thousands were Dulited. Dulite is a blue/black finish that has a semi-gloss to it and closely resembles bluing. It appears like a flat finish dark blue job. If it is a bright shiney blue rather than a sort of flat blue, then it has been blued. If it is a duller finish, then it is Dulited. Most of the Dulite finished carbines are lower serial number Winchester, but not all. So the question is, is it really blued, or is it Dulite? And Guys, Inlands also had "blued" finishes on early guns. In fact many of the receivers are actually two-toned blue with the darker finish on top and a lighter bluing on the lower part of the receiver. So don't just say a blued carbine has been refinished. Look at what it is first. It just may be right.

M14man · 07-01-2008, 10:07 PM

Jimb2, I have read where early Inlands used Du-lite. I never saw where Winchester did.

jimb2 · 07-01-2008, 11:26 PM

Winchester used far more Dulite finish than Inland. I've seen many examples. Try looking up that info in "war Baby". It tells a lot about those finishes. Try asking BrianQ about Dulite finishes on Jouster. He can tell you more than I can. It has also been discussed in articles in the Carbine Club newsletters. There are plenty of sources of information of these finishes.

oldjarhead · 07-13-2008, 08:54 AM

Re-bluing does not ruin the carbine. It may de-value it on the collector's market some however. If you paid $425 for it, you made a pretty good deal I'd say. Heck, Universals and Iver Johnsons are going for that now days.
Did you get as a shooter or as a collector? If you got it as a shooter, why worry about what your friends say...a little ribbing is always going to happen, even if your carbine is correct.
Enjoy the little guy.

.22guy · 07-13-2008, 11:57 AM

Just shoot it and enjoy it. Who cares what anyone else thinks?

06-30-2008, 11:18 PM	#1
illinoisgunguy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2	Help!!!! my Winchester is blue i have a winchester carbine that has a blue finish. some people tell me that it is correct. others tell me too bad its blued....question is:were any carbines blued or has someone ruined this gun? how can i tell if mine is correct?

06-30-2008, 11:36 PM	#3
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 5,483	Give me the exact model and all the info you can and I'll look it up in a Winchester special edition collectors book I have and see just what was produced with what options or materials or whatever. Give me the year if possible. If you're unsure on the year, go to this link and put your serial # in and then let me/us know. Winchester Manufacture Dates __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

07-01-2008, 12:59 PM	#10
illinoisgunguy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2	LET ME TRY AGAIN let me try again......i have a m1 carbine winchester mfg. ser number is 5788006. this gun has a blue or black finish...some people have told me its correct others make fun of me....could this gun have a dulite finish or has someone blued it? stock is in good condition with some markings on it...im not a student of these guns ...i know more about more modern weapons. if it is blued is it worth parkerizing or should i take my losses and pass it on to someone else? i think i gave $425 for it several years ago....there are no import marks on it

07-01-2008, 03:26 PM	#12
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,469	This does not sound good in terms of the original finish but, as someone else pointed out, Winchester produced a massive amount of firearms and having some of them made in a special run for presentation guns is not unknown. It could be you have a sort of factory rare gun. I advise pictures at every possible ange with every number or symbol or letter in the metal and the wood shown as some of the forum members do have a great deal of historical material on hand. Perhaps they will have the answer. Last edited by nathangdad; 07-02-2008 at 04:00 AM.

07-01-2008, 08:37 PM	#13
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	Ok...Here goes. Winchester did NOT parkerize all of its M1 Carbines. Many thousands were Dulited. Dulite is a blue/black finish that has a semi-gloss to it and closely resembles bluing. It appears like a flat finish dark blue job. If it is a bright shiney blue rather than a sort of flat blue, then it has been blued. If it is a duller finish, then it is Dulited. Most of the Dulite finished carbines are lower serial number Winchester, but not all. So the question is, is it really blued, or is it Dulite? And Guys, Inlands also had "blued" finishes on early guns. In fact many of the receivers are actually two-toned blue with the darker finish on top and a lighter bluing on the lower part of the receiver. So don't just say a blued carbine has been refinished. Look at what it is first. It just may be right. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

06-30-2008, 11:22 PM	#2
F1609 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 201 Images: 7	well, what kind of carbine is it? Winchester makes a butt load of rifles, and a butt load of them inc arbine configuration. It would help us all out a lot with a little more info.

06-30-2008, 11:47 PM	#4
F1609 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 201 Images: 7	glockmeister, are there any websites like that for remingtons?

07-01-2008, 12:10 AM	#5
F1609 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 201 Images: 7	oh my god, i feel like a real stupid guy now... i never looked at where this thread was, just now noticed it was in the m1 carbine section.....opps...

07-01-2008, 06:16 AM	#7
Dookiebutt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: America's North Coast Posts: 1,163	Do you mean shiny blued like a fancy shot gun or Dulite blued, like WWII firearms?

07-01-2008, 08:06 AM	#8
livebythegun Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 126 Images: 14	It should not be blued. Someone has ruined a rifle.

07-01-2008, 10:33 AM	#9
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 436 Images: 10	Your Carbine should not be blued. Who ever did ruined alot of it's value.

07-01-2008, 10:07 PM	#14
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 436 Images: 10	Jimb2, I have read where early Inlands used Du-lite. I never saw where Winchester did.

07-01-2008, 11:26 PM	#15
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 513	Winchester used far more Dulite finish than Inland. I've seen many examples. Try looking up that info in "war Baby". It tells a lot about those finishes. Try asking BrianQ about Dulite finishes on Jouster. He can tell you more than I can. It has also been discussed in articles in the Carbine Club newsletters. There are plenty of sources of information of these finishes. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

07-13-2008, 08:54 AM	#16
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Mansfield, MO Posts: 817	Re-bluing does not ruin the carbine. It may de-value it on the collector's market some however. If you paid $425 for it, you made a pretty good deal I'd say. Heck, Universals and Iver Johnsons are going for that now days. Did you get as a shooter or as a collector? If you got it as a shooter, why worry about what your friends say...a little ribbing is always going to happen, even if your carbine is correct. Enjoy the little guy.

07-13-2008, 11:57 AM	#17
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,157	Just shoot it and enjoy it. Who cares what anyone else thinks? __________________ Guns: they are like baseball cards except they are cool and you can kill things with em. -Billy