New never fired USGI CArbine?

Johnnycat · 07-21-2008, 04:55 AM

Have you guys seen this on Gunbroker?

You think it's legit? Seems like the price is way too low for a "Museum Piece"

GunBroker.com guns: New Unfired I.B.M. U.S. M1 Carbine Museum Gun 1944 (item: 104324663 ends: Jul-22-08 05:55:56 PM)

nathangdad · 07-21-2008, 07:15 AM

this morning's bid price is nearly $3k which is more that I would ever pay for one of them.

Capt'n Mil Coll · 07-21-2008, 01:54 PM

I notice they dont show the chamber or bolt face. Somebody sure held that rifle a lot. You can see the oil/dirt stain on the neck of the stock.

I guess it COULD have a bayo lug on it if it was made in 44. JimB would know Im sure.

So thats what an unissued carbine's wood loooks like?

Johnnycat · 07-21-2008, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

I guess it COULD have a bayo lug on it if it was made in 44. JimB would know Im sure.

That's what I was thinking - I thought the bayonet lugs were added after the war.

livebythegun · 07-21-2008, 02:14 PM

The bayo lug, rear sight and rotary safety are not original. These are late features.

livebythegun · 07-21-2008, 02:22 PM

My $650 Inland looks just as good. It's got all Inland parts with the exception of the late features. It's a tack driver at 100yds.

TheJoker · 07-21-2008, 03:16 PM

The book I have says "no Type 3 bands are known to have been used by IBM".

Still ... That sure is a nice rifle!!!

jimb2 · 07-21-2008, 07:07 PM

Where do I start?I'll just list the things that are OBVIOUSLY wrong. Looks like a Winchester stock. Milled rear sights were never put on AO subcontract carbines except during rebuilds. IBM didn't use M2 mag catches nor lever type safeties. The carbine has been refinished. IBM barrels were always a very light gray color. IBM never got around to using type 3 barrel bands. It is definately an arsenal rebuilt carbine. Not worth anywhere near that kind of money.

TheJoker · 07-21-2008, 07:45 PM

The price is still going up! Someone is going to take a beating! There are serveral IBM's in the $600 range on the same auction site.

oldjarhead · 07-21-2008, 09:34 PM

I agree with you all.
The ad states he has a BOS from a dealer verifying the 1996-97 purchase from the Presidio...that doesn't mean much to the value of the gun but is probably a selling point to the buyer. Like I say a BOS from the dealer means nothing...now a BOS from the Presidio may be worth a few dollars more. I foresee a very very disappointed buyer in the near future when he realizes he's been had.
Jimb2, that rear sight doesn't look like a milled sight to me, it looks stamped.
In reality, I doubt everything the seller is advertising. It is doubtful the museum at the Presido would be allowed to liquidate any of it's Army owned displays. The military is quarky that way.

jimb2 · 07-27-2008, 12:41 PM

Nope, its a milled sight. And somebody definately got taken to the cleaners o it was a scam bid. Either way, somebody is very stupid.

iflylow74 · 07-27-2008, 01:27 PM

Wow!! It went for $4285!!!

Falcon2 · 08-01-2008, 01:20 AM

IN THE LATE 60'S, I lived in Detroit,Mi., and after one of our shtf episodes I bought an M1 carbine and 1000 rds. of Winchester soft points,and a tin of G.I.ammo thru the DCM, it is a Saginaw stg. complete w/leather handled bayonet, sling, and oiler,and five 30 rd. mags and pouch, the box has been lost through the years, and I have only fired fifty rds through it, the stock is marked with crossed cannons, and marked RIA, I don't know how to show pictures, but have a few. sn#3337148, I do not know if it is a rebuild or new, does anyone know ? it is still in mint condition.
Falcon 2 p.s. also have a paratrooper stock for it,and a five rd. magazine, and a parachute drop case

snoopy · 08-02-2008, 05:47 PM

The sling and oiler cutout appears to be off position a little on the stock for an IBM... of course the 5 round magazine

is more rare than the rifle.

Dookiebutt · 08-03-2008, 08:17 AM

Someone please tell me why that was a $4200 carbine.

digger70chall · 08-03-2008, 10:30 AM

some people have more money than they know what to do with

07-21-2008, 07:15 AM	#2
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,434	Could be legit but this morning's bid price is nearly $3k which is more that I would ever pay for one of them.

07-21-2008, 03:16 PM	#7
TheJoker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 281	The book I have says "no Type 3 bands are known to have been used by IBM". Still ... That sure is a nice rifle!!! __________________ "Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss." -- Lazarus Long

07-21-2008, 07:07 PM	#8
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 510	Where do I start?I'll just list the things that are OBVIOUSLY wrong. Looks like a Winchester stock. Milled rear sights were never put on AO subcontract carbines except during rebuilds. IBM didn't use M2 mag catches nor lever type safeties. The carbine has been refinished. IBM barrels were always a very light gray color. IBM never got around to using type 3 barrel bands. It is definately an arsenal rebuilt carbine. Not worth anywhere near that kind of money. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

07-21-2008, 07:45 PM	#9
TheJoker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 281	The price is still going up! Someone is going to take a beating! There are serveral IBM's in the $600 range on the same auction site. __________________ "Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss." -- Lazarus Long

07-27-2008, 12:41 PM	#11
jimb2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 510	Nope, its a milled sight. And somebody definately got taken to the cleaners o it was a scam bid. Either way, somebody is very stupid. __________________ I am a nobody. Nobody is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect...

07-21-2008, 01:54 PM	#3
Capt'n Mil Coll Military Rifle Collector Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 2,255 Images: 10	I notice they dont show the chamber or bolt face. Somebody sure held that rifle a lot. You can see the oil/dirt stain on the neck of the stock. I guess it COULD have a bayo lug on it if it was made in 44. JimB would know Im sure. So thats what an unissued carbine's wood loooks like? __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

07-21-2008, 02:14 PM	#5
livebythegun Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 126 Images: 14	The bayo lug, rear sight and rotary safety are not original. These are late features.

07-21-2008, 02:22 PM	#6
livebythegun Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 126 Images: 14	My $650 Inland looks just as good. It's got all Inland parts with the exception of the late features. It's a tack driver at 100yds.

07-21-2008, 09:34 PM	#10
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Mansfield, MO Posts: 814	I agree with you all. The ad states he has a BOS from a dealer verifying the 1996-97 purchase from the Presidio...that doesn't mean much to the value of the gun but is probably a selling point to the buyer. Like I say a BOS from the dealer means nothing...now a BOS from the Presidio may be worth a few dollars more. I foresee a very very disappointed buyer in the near future when he realizes he's been had. Jimb2, that rear sight doesn't look like a milled sight to me, it looks stamped. In reality, I doubt everything the seller is advertising. It is doubtful the museum at the Presido would be allowed to liquidate any of it's Army owned displays. The military is quarky that way.

07-27-2008, 01:27 PM	#12
iflylow74 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Arkansaw Posts: 1,023 Blog Entries: 11	Wow!! It went for $4285!!! __________________ Most things aren't a matter of can or can't, but a matter of want to or don't want to. -me

08-01-2008, 01:20 AM	#13
Falcon2 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mich, Retired to Arizona Posts: 31	IN THE LATE 60'S, I lived in Detroit,Mi., and after one of our shtf episodes I bought an M1 carbine and 1000 rds. of Winchester soft points,and a tin of G.I.ammo thru the DCM, it is a Saginaw stg. complete w/leather handled bayonet, sling, and oiler,and five 30 rd. mags and pouch, the box has been lost through the years, and I have only fired fifty rds through it, the stock is marked with crossed cannons, and marked RIA, I don't know how to show pictures, but have a few. sn#3337148, I do not know if it is a rebuild or new, does anyone know ? it is still in mint condition. Falcon 2 p.s. also have a paratrooper stock for it,and a five rd. magazine, and a parachute drop case Last edited by Falcon2; 08-02-2008 at 05:53 PM. Reason: need information

08-02-2008, 05:47 PM	#14
snoopy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ky Posts: 4	The sling and oiler cutout appears to be off position a little on the stock for an IBM... of course the 5 round magazine is more rare than the rifle.

08-03-2008, 08:17 AM	#15
Dookiebutt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: America's North Coast Posts: 1,156	Someone please tell me why that was a $4200 carbine.

08-03-2008, 10:30 AM	#16
digger70chall Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 18	some people have more money than they know what to do with