Carbine use

oldjarhead · 08-14-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DesertRaider109

I just picked up my Inland carbine off layaway today and it is a handy little gun. I have already installed a USGI 2-magazine pouch on the stock of the weapon, and with a 30 rd mag and two 15 rd mags in the stock pouch, you have 60 rounds on the weapon at all times ready to go! This is a pretty good setup for me!

You're correcto mundo.
Be sure you have the M2 style magazine catch before you use the 30 rounder.

Paper · 08-14-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1950oldsoldier

I just pray that Obama will NOT be allowed to disarm us and that SHTF does not happen but if it does I am prepared.
Jim

I personally feel that attempting to disarm us is more than likely what will cause SHTF..

I shot one of my carbines tonight, too.. But not for gearing up for SHTF, but instead to practice so I can severerly beat Texinmidwest at the CMP shoot this Sunday..

DesertRaider109 · 08-14-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjarhead

You're correcto mundo.
Be sure you have the M2 style magazine catch before you use the 30 rounder.

M2 style magazine catch?

oldjarhead · 08-15-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DesertRaider109

M2 style magazine catch?

The M2 catch has a 1/4 inch protrusion on the left side to give added support to the larger magazine. This protrusion points toward the muzzle.
The original catch was designed for the light 15 round magazine but will not provide the needed support for the 30 rounder.
Look at the magazine release on you carbine. If it has that protrusion, you're good to go. If not you may have problems with the larger magazine.
On the left side of your 30 rounder, you will notice a tit extruding from the left side. The protrusion on the mag catch fits under the tit and provides adequate support.
The mag catch will run about $15 and is easily installed.

DesertRaider109 · 08-16-2009, 04:48 PM

Oh, no, I have the original type. But I haven't had any problems with my two 30 rd mags feeding at all -- I read somewhere that the mag catch was designed to keep the mag steady during automatic fire on an M2 or M3 carbine, not semi auto fire on an M1.

oldjarhead · 09-14-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DesertRaider109

Oh, no, I have the original type. But I haven't had any problems with my two 30 rd mags feeding at all -- I read somewhere that the mag catch was designed to keep the mag steady during automatic fire on an M2 or M3 carbine, not semi auto fire on an M1.

It was designed for several things, the main one being to defy gravity with the added weight of the extra 15 rounds during auto fire. The 30 rounders will work well without it but eventually as the mags get worn you may have problems.
And you are right, it was designed for use on the M2 with the 30 round mags.
It's just a thought.

rondog · 09-14-2009, 02:43 PM

So, does anybody make a light or laser that attaches to the bayonet lug of an M1 carbine? Seems like that would be a natural accessory. A Surefire G2 light in a bracket that snaps on the bayo lug? I'd buy one!

Capt'n Mil Coll · 09-15-2009, 02:48 AM

There are a lot of Japs that you cant ask if the .30 Carbine is enough power. They is dead. And dead is dead. If its good enough for a Marine going into battle on Okinawa its good enough for me.

oldjarhead · 09-15-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rondog

So, does anybody make a light or laser that attaches to the bayonet lug of an M1 carbine? Seems like that would be a natural accessory. A Surefire G2 light in a bracket that snaps on the bayo lug? I'd buy one!

A bayont lug mounted bipod would be nice too.
But of course, then where would you attach the bayonet?

TheJoker · 09-15-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt'n Mil Coll

There are a lot of Japs that you cant ask if the .30 Carbine is enough power. They is dead. And dead is dead. If its good enough for a Marine going into battle on Okinawa its good enough for me.

Good point! I'd rather have a 15 round carbine than a 8 round M1 when crawling through a dark tunnel!

chiefrcd · 09-16-2009, 01:11 PM

New ammo has greatly improved the M1 Carbine. The new ammo takes the M1 30. Cal. far beyond any .357 pistol and the new Corbon DPX with Barnes bullet adds expandability to penetration that meets the new FBI test for ammo. I would have no issues using my Carbine within defensive distances even when the SHTF. Shot aquisition for 2, 3rd. and 4th rounds is almost instant.

DFBonnett · 09-19-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by M14man

The carbine definitely has it's purposes, and is more accurate than a handgun. Though maybe not the most powerful man stopper,it could surely suffice in most situations especially if you hit the bad guy more than once.

Forty years ago I saw NVA who were hit with 1 or 2 carbine rounds in an an encounter with ARVN forces. They were as dead. They would not have been any deader if hit by M16, M14, or even 30-06 from a Garand. As noted, the carbine has it's place, but within it's design parameters it will kill with no problem.

dbletap · 09-21-2009, 10:58 PM

You can trim the back end of the follower(top) to 90 degree just like the 30 rds follower and it will hold the bolt open when you shoot the last round. The 15 rds mag follower has the 45 degree angle. Take a look and you will see the difference. I trimmed the 45 degree to a 90 degree and it held the bolt open after the last round was fired. Good luck. I carried an M1 30 Carbine when I was in Cambodia back in 1963 and a Colt .380 Government model.

gbear-48 · 09-28-2009, 10:59 AM

My wife used an M1 Carbine both for a fun gun and home defense for a while.
Here's some info on .30 Carbine defensive ammo and using the M1 Carbine with a light and such.
www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19956

DocGKR seems like he knows his business and he's well respected in some circles for his work.
Hope this helps.

rondog · 09-28-2009, 02:43 PM

I like the fact that with my carbine, I have a 15rd. mag in the rifle, a pouch on the stock with two more 15rd. mags, and a belt pouch on the sling with two more 15rd. mags. I can grab that puppy and head out the door with 70 rounds, ready to go.

Old Steve · 10-09-2009, 04:31 PM

Like all you guys
Can't remember all the times someone asked what to get for a defensive weapon, and I told them a M1 Carbine, always get an argument that a shotgun is more effective and you can't miss, but even 18 inch barrels don't spread much at 25 ft. If you fire a short barrel 12 ga in a dark room, you won't be able to see for a second shot for way longer than you will have, use the carbine and shoot twice.

I would personally never load a defense weapon with anything other than FMJ round nose, several reasons, if you need to shoot him you need to kill him, not create ugly wounds and grounds for a lawsuit, and you can only kill by penentrating vital organs. Also, use of JHP will tend to get prosecutors to think in terms of "intent to create great bodily harm" and "lying in wait" rather than "legitimate self defense"

chiefrcd · 10-10-2009, 12:05 AM

See Steve all of my guns are for hunting, hence the hollow points. If by chance my home invader gets shot with my wild boar gun ....well that is just his bad luck.

I'll take my chances with stopping power vs penetration any day!

gbear-48 · 10-10-2009, 06:33 AM

Hollowpoints make sense for defense loads. Very few , if any LE agencies use FMJ anymore -- too dangerous for bystanders.

Most M1 Carbine loads have more penetration than is really needed. Also check the other threads on police loads for both handguns & long guns.
www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19956

The defense AR middy Carbines at our house are loaded with 75 gn HPM , which runs about 12 1/2 to 13 inches in gel -- less than almost all .30 M1 Carbine loads.

Old Steve · 10-14-2009, 10:49 AM

gbear-48

If I was a policeman, or lived in a multiple unit building, I would use JHP loads too, but if your concern is defending a home you need to learn to think like a soldier. The job is to keep you and your family alive, not to arrest some evildoer.

wunhunglo · 10-14-2009, 11:01 AM

Years ago I had a Thompson 1928A1 semi-auto carbine, I know that I would not like to be on the receiving end of that thing and would be thinking twice about my options if I saw it in someone's hands.
Has anyone here considered the modern Auto Ordnance version??

08-16-2009, 04:48 PM	#25
DesertRaider109 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 417 Blog Entries: 1	Oh, no, I have the original type. But I haven't had any problems with my two 30 rd mags feeding at all -- I read somewhere that the mag catch was designed to keep the mag steady during automatic fire on an M2 or M3 carbine, not semi auto fire on an M1. __________________ "What we do in life echoes in eternity"

09-14-2009, 02:43 PM	#27
rondog Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,296	So, does anybody make a light or laser that attaches to the bayonet lug of an M1 carbine? Seems like that would be a natural accessory. A Surefire G2 light in a bracket that snaps on the bayo lug? I'd buy one! __________________ I child-proofed my house, but they still keep getting in!

09-15-2009, 02:48 AM	#28
Capt'n Mil Coll Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right behind you. -NRA Member- Posts: 3,386 Images: 45	There are a lot of Japs that you cant ask if the .30 Carbine is enough power. They is dead. And dead is dead. If its good enough for a Marine going into battle on Okinawa its good enough for me. __________________ Let's light this fuse and see what happens!

09-16-2009, 01:11 PM	#31
chiefrcd Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 41	New ammo has greatly improved the M1 Carbine. The new ammo takes the M1 30. Cal. far beyond any .357 pistol and the new Corbon DPX with Barnes bullet adds expandability to penetration that meets the new FBI test for ammo. I would have no issues using my Carbine within defensive distances even when the SHTF. Shot aquisition for 2, 3rd. and 4th rounds is almost instant. __________________ Have Gun ~ Will Carry S-Safety M-Motivation A-Awareness R-Responsibility T-Training

09-28-2009, 02:43 PM	#35
rondog Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,296	I like the fact that with my carbine, I have a 15rd. mag in the rifle, a pouch on the stock with two more 15rd. mags, and a belt pouch on the sling with two more 15rd. mags. I can grab that puppy and head out the door with 70 rounds, ready to go. __________________ I child-proofed my house, but they still keep getting in!

09-21-2009, 10:58 PM	#33
dbletap Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 8	You can trim the back end of the follower(top) to 90 degree just like the 30 rds follower and it will hold the bolt open when you shoot the last round. The 15 rds mag follower has the 45 degree angle. Take a look and you will see the difference. I trimmed the 45 degree to a 90 degree and it held the bolt open after the last round was fired. Good luck. I carried an M1 30 Carbine when I was in Cambodia back in 1963 and a Colt .380 Government model.

09-28-2009, 10:59 AM	#34
gbear-48 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 104	My wife used an M1 Carbine both for a fun gun and home defense for a while. Here's some info on .30 Carbine defensive ammo and using the M1 Carbine with a light and such. www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19956 DocGKR seems like he knows his business and he's well respected in some circles for his work. Hope this helps.

10-09-2009, 04:31 PM	#36
Old Steve Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 31	Like all you guys Can't remember all the times someone asked what to get for a defensive weapon, and I told them a M1 Carbine, always get an argument that a shotgun is more effective and you can't miss, but even 18 inch barrels don't spread much at 25 ft. If you fire a short barrel 12 ga in a dark room, you won't be able to see for a second shot for way longer than you will have, use the carbine and shoot twice. I would personally never load a defense weapon with anything other than FMJ round nose, several reasons, if you need to shoot him you need to kill him, not create ugly wounds and grounds for a lawsuit, and you can only kill by penentrating vital organs. Also, use of JHP will tend to get prosecutors to think in terms of "intent to create great bodily harm" and "lying in wait" rather than "legitimate self defense"

10-10-2009, 12:05 AM	#37
chiefrcd Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 41	See Steve all of my guns are for hunting, hence the hollow points. If by chance my home invader gets shot with my wild boar gun ....well that is just his bad luck. I'll take my chances with stopping power vs penetration any day! __________________ Have Gun ~ Will Carry S-Safety M-Motivation A-Awareness R-Responsibility T-Training

10-10-2009, 06:33 AM	#38
gbear-48 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 104	Hollowpoints make sense for defense loads. Very few , if any LE agencies use FMJ anymore -- too dangerous for bystanders. Most M1 Carbine loads have more penetration than is really needed. Also check the other threads on police loads for both handguns & long guns. www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19956 The defense AR middy Carbines at our house are loaded with 75 gn HPM , which runs about 12 1/2 to 13 inches in gel -- less than almost all .30 M1 Carbine loads.

10-14-2009, 10:49 AM	#39
Old Steve Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 31	gbear-48 If I was a policeman, or lived in a multiple unit building, I would use JHP loads too, but if your concern is defending a home you need to learn to think like a soldier. The job is to keep you and your family alive, not to arrest some evildoer.

10-14-2009, 11:01 AM	#40
wunhunglo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: currently "Sunny West Africa" Posts: 4,102	Years ago I had a Thompson 1928A1 semi-auto carbine, I know that I would not like to be on the receiving end of that thing and would be thinking twice about my options if I saw it in someone's hands. Has anyone here considered the modern Auto Ordnance version?? __________________ How can I 'Soar with the Eagles' when I'm working with such 'Turkeys'!