new M1 carbine / made by Kahr

LakerDad · 10-13-2009, 08:58 PM

I have a M1 Carbine with walnut stock in the Kahr box with the little cable lock system. The S/N is MB07xx. I was wondering when it was made and anything bad and good on these guns. It appears that it has never been fired and the only time the mag was used was most likely done at the auction I got it at. Thanks

oldjarhead · 10-13-2009, 10:00 PM

If I am correct, Kahr bought Auto Ordinance a few years ago and took over production of the AO line of carbines. There are mixed reviews for this brand as to workmanship.
I recommend you thoroughly check it out before you fire it. I have read complaints about the gas piston lock being loose which causes FTF and FTE. I've also read that some USGI parts will not fit the Kahr.
That is a good looking carbine.
On another note...I found a Universal Ferrett in .256 Winchester today...I don't have the money to get it; but I don't really need it either.
Happy shooting!

LakerDad · 10-13-2009, 10:16 PM

Thanks oldjarhead,
I found a Iver Johnson at a gun show about a year ago for $420, a little rough but not bad, I passed it up for a NIB PT1911 sst Taurus. I thought I would not see another carbine in the $400 range again, most have been 600/650 and up. This one was really tempting and I won my bidding on it at $425 [no taxes/no shipping/no FFL fees]. There was another one [Kahr] tacitical folding 'plastic' stock, I didn't see where the bidding went with it...a little later a Hi Point 9mm [used] went for $235 [when you can get one at most shops for $169?] you never know what they stop at in bidding. I'll heed your advice and hope all will work fine...I wonder if there was a period of time that the quality was better and where my gun falls in the time frame. As with most runs and companies, there are better times to aquire than not... again- thank you for taking the time to write! the info on this site is greatly appreciated! so many knowlegeable people! wow, 256, I guess they did produce other cal.s in them, a .22 mag would be neat and I saw somewhere 9mm? too bad they don't realize that .357, .44, .45acp etc would grab some attention, at least it would me

nathangdad · 10-13-2009, 10:39 PM

got off to a pretty rocky start.

I have seen posts stating this firm was really an assembler of parts they
contracted out to a number of sub-contractors. This is where the problems apparently arose. Too many suppliers and not enought quality control on dimensions, finish, etc.

On the positive side, I have heard this firm has gotten quality control much better in hand so things are on the upswing.

Best of luck with your gun.

oldjarhead · 10-15-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LakerDad

Thanks oldjarhead,
wow, 256, I guess they did produce other cal.s in them, a .22 mag would be neat and I saw somewhere 9mm? too bad they don't realize that .357, .44, .45acp etc would grab some attention, at least it would me

Universal and Plainfield produced a model chambered for the 5.7mm Johnson (.22 Spitfire) which is a great little cartidge. These are pretty rare though. I believe Iver Johnson did also.

During the mid 1990's there were several conversions worked up for the carbine in an attept to improve killing power (9mm Mag; .45 in Mag; and a couple others) but they never really caught on.

I converted one of mine to 5.7mm Johnson and I like it alot. PMI makes ammo for it but reloading is still a must.

.45ACP would be a nice camp gun.

Go Navy · 10-17-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LakerDad

I have a M1 Carbine with walnut stock in the Kahr box with the little cable lock system. The S/N is MB07xx. I was wondering when it was made and anything bad and good on these guns. It appears that it has never been fired and the only time the mag was used was most likely done at the auction I got it at. Thanks

I bought a brand new Auto-Ord (Kahr) .30 Carbine about a year ago, off the rack in a gun store. The original stock did not fit very well, so Auto-Ord sent me a new one free after I returned the old one.
The Auto-Ords are closely patterned (if not identical) to the first model M1 Carbine, so they do not have the bayonet lug and its more secure forward barrel band according to what I've read. In fact, it was reported in one gun magazine that Auto-Ord borrowed a perfect specimen of a first model G.I. Carbine from Phil Scheir of the NRA Museum to pattern theirs after.
Mine shoots quite well but the Kahr-supplied magazine did not function well. I now have some original G.I. mags and also some Fulton Armory mags which are great.
The only other thing I tweaked is that the slide fit too tightly in the gap between the upper and lower stock, so it would sometimes hang up when going back into battery. Check yours on that. It was a simple matter to just sand off a little wood on the bottom edge of the upper forearm on the right side (looking towards the muzzle) and that solved the problem.
Auto-Ord's barrels are made by Green Mountain, which reportedly has a good reputation.
I attempted to mount an Ultimak picatinny upper forearm on it, but the action does not fit tightly in the stock/recoil lug as a result. I need to fiddle with that and if I can't correct it, I'll reinstall the original wood upper forearm. I also got a lot of good tips here on this Forum about tightening up the fit of the stock.
Because I've been fiddling with it, I haven't fired it for awhile but on its first outing, I put about 50-60 rounds through it at 50 yards from a rest, with the stock iron sights, and my aging, corrected vision eyes, and got 2.5-3 inch groups. I did no break-in routine, and I have no skills with iron sights and I hate peep sights. I don't consider it broken in yet. I've since replaced the rear peep sight with an original G.I. adjustable rear sight I picked up at a gun show. I haven't fired it yet with that setup. I've been hoping to put at least a 1x red dot on it with the Ultimak upper but, per above, I have some issues with that assembly.
This is the first and only M1 Carbine I've owned or fired and I really like it.

The picture shows the original rear peep sight.

LakerDad · 10-17-2009, 11:35 PM

Thanks Guys! I do thank you for everything, this site has a really good base of knowledge-able people!!! The Photo {Go Navy} has the same dark walnut like mine has, but yours has more more hi-lites and I have to get a sling like that too! Wow, the more I read and ask questions the more I learn!!!!

LakerDad · 10-25-2009, 07:16 PM

Where would I find a nice reproduction sling for my Kahr? Any knowledge from you guys would be great again.
I got my old ammo out that I got at my 1st auction and loaded the mag that came with the gun. It holds 16 rds. I kind of thought that the thing would only hold the 10 that the Clinton administration gave us, I guess this gun was produced during the G Bush period.

I remember the period when we didn't have to sign for the 22 ammo, a big thanks went out to Mr. Reagan. I had t osign for my 44 mag when I only had my Ruger 44 mag auto carbine. crazy....

Thanks!

oldjarhead · 10-26-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LakerDad

Where would I find a nice reproduction sling for my Kahr? Any knowledge from you guys would be great again.
I got my old ammo out that I got at my 1st auction and loaded the mag that came with the gun. It holds 16 rds. I kind of thought that the thing would only hold the 10 that the Clinton administration gave us, I guess this gun was produced during the G Bush period.

I remember the period when we didn't have to sign for the 22 ammo, a big thanks went out to Mr. Reagan. I had t osign for my 44 mag when I only had my Ruger 44 mag auto carbine. crazy....

Thanks!

Try Fulton Armory, Numrich gun parts, and Northridge Internatonal for a sling. Check them all before you buy as prices vary.
I noticed many offerings at the Springfield gun show this past week-end; prices ranged from $5 - $20. Most of the slings available are repros and may come in khaki or green.

LakerDad · 10-26-2009, 08:36 PM

Thanks oldjarhead! The repo ones will do fine. I missed our gun show this past weekend...I'll give these guys a look, Gun Parts {Numrich Arms} never have what I 'm looking for or I don't know how to look for stuff on their site, as a kid I had a great time ordering from them ie 1960's. Again thanks for your help!

10-13-2009, 08:58 PM	#1
LakerDad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 507	new M1 carbine / made by Kahr I have a M1 Carbine with walnut stock in the Kahr box with the little cable lock system. The S/N is MB07xx. I was wondering when it was made and anything bad and good on these guns. It appears that it has never been fired and the only time the mag was used was most likely done at the auction I got it at. Thanks Attached Thumbnails Last edited by LakerDad; 10-13-2009 at 08:59 PM. Reason: spelling

10-13-2009, 10:00 PM	#2
oldjarhead Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: MO Posts: 1,914	If I am correct, Kahr bought Auto Ordinance a few years ago and took over production of the AO line of carbines. There are mixed reviews for this brand as to workmanship. I recommend you thoroughly check it out before you fire it. I have read complaints about the gas piston lock being loose which causes FTF and FTE. I've also read that some USGI parts will not fit the Kahr. That is a good looking carbine. On another note...I found a Universal Ferrett in .256 Winchester today...I don't have the money to get it; but I don't really need it either. Happy shooting! __________________ No war has ever been won by a politician!
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10-13-2009, 10:16 PM	#3
LakerDad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 507	Thanks oldjarhead, I found a Iver Johnson at a gun show about a year ago for $420, a little rough but not bad, I passed it up for a NIB PT1911 sst Taurus. I thought I would not see another carbine in the $400 range again, most have been 600/650 and up. This one was really tempting and I won my bidding on it at $425 [no taxes/no shipping/no FFL fees]. There was another one [Kahr] tacitical folding 'plastic' stock, I didn't see where the bidding went with it...a little later a Hi Point 9mm [used] went for $235 [when you can get one at most shops for $169?] you never know what they stop at in bidding. I'll heed your advice and hope all will work fine...I wonder if there was a period of time that the quality was better and where my gun falls in the time frame. As with most runs and companies, there are better times to aquire than not... again- thank you for taking the time to write! the info on this site is greatly appreciated! so many knowlegeable people! wow, 256, I guess they did produce other cal.s in them, a .22 mag would be neat and I saw somewhere 9mm? too bad they don't realize that .357, .44, .45acp etc would grab some attention, at least it would me Last edited by LakerDad; 10-13-2009 at 10:23 PM.

10-13-2009, 10:39 PM	#4
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,170	The Khar gun got off to a pretty rocky start. I have seen posts stating this firm was really an assembler of parts they contracted out to a number of sub-contractors. This is where the problems apparently arose. Too many suppliers and not enought quality control on dimensions, finish, etc. On the positive side, I have heard this firm has gotten quality control much better in hand so things are on the upswing. Best of luck with your gun.
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10-17-2009, 11:35 PM	#7
LakerDad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 507	Thanks Guys! I do thank you for everything, this site has a really good base of knowledge-able people!!! The Photo {Go Navy} has the same dark walnut like mine has, but yours has more more hi-lites and I have to get a sling like that too! Wow, the more I read and ask questions the more I learn!!!!

10-25-2009, 07:16 PM	#8
LakerDad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 507	Where would I find a nice reproduction sling for my Kahr? Any knowledge from you guys would be great again. I got my old ammo out that I got at my 1st auction and loaded the mag that came with the gun. It holds 16 rds. I kind of thought that the thing would only hold the 10 that the Clinton administration gave us, I guess this gun was produced during the G Bush period. I remember the period when we didn't have to sign for the 22 ammo, a big thanks went out to Mr. Reagan. I had t osign for my 44 mag when I only had my Ruger 44 mag auto carbine. crazy.... Thanks!

10-26-2009, 08:36 PM	#10
LakerDad Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Missouri Posts: 507	Thanks oldjarhead! The repo ones will do fine. I missed our gun show this past weekend...I'll give these guys a look, Gun Parts {Numrich Arms} never have what I 'm looking for or I don't know how to look for stuff on their site, as a kid I had a great time ordering from them ie 1960's. Again thanks for your help!