Garand issue

Moss500Bantam · 05-13-2007, 06:32 PM

Hi all,
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Upon firing the Garand today. I had a few instances where eject and feed was ok, but the weapon strangey seemed not to cock. I cycled the op rod, ejecting the chambered round (live) let it go to strip a fresh one and was back to bang again.

JoeLee · 05-13-2007, 06:50 PM

Perhaps a good cleaning and lubrication is in order.

Moss500Bantam · 05-13-2007, 07:28 PM

Good point, but the weapon went to the range clean, lubed and serviceable. Properly lubed with grease as a Garand should be. Feed and eject was flawless. The trigger group has no residue, grit, grime or other nasty stuff. Just lost it's hammer cock.

JoeLee · 05-13-2007, 07:39 PM

My suggestion is my limited knowledge with the M-1.

Moss500Bantam · 05-13-2007, 07:51 PM

It's appreciated. Perhaps we will all learn something.

JoeLee · 05-13-2007, 08:06 PM

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Mooseman684 · 05-13-2007, 08:07 PM

I would pull the trigger group and examine the sear,springs and hammer notches first, since it doesn't sound like it "Short stroked" since it loaded another Round...
Rich

Ben Hartley · 05-13-2007, 08:15 PM

Moss...

It's hard to tell without actually having the rifle in hand, but here are a couple of thoughts for you:

1. You may be confronted with a classic "short stroke," which can act as you described. There are several causes, but I'd bet that the operating rod spring is weak, overcompressed, or even -- gasp! -- broken. Cure: replace the spring. You can get a very good one at Orion 7: Orion 7 Enterprises Inc.

2. It is possible that the hammer/trigger/sear hooks are worn excessively, and are intermittantly failing to function properly. Short of getting the rifle to a good Garand 'smith, Clint McKee at Fulton Armory has published a book about maintaining -- actually, building -- the M1 Garand. You can find the book at this site: Fulton Armory: FAR-15 Stuff, Garand Stuff, and More!

Hope this is of some help.

Ben Hartley

Stock Doc · 05-13-2007, 09:49 PM

Ben has good advice above. I had this last month at the range and changed the gas cylinder. It fixed the problem right away. Having it to tight or to loose also can cause it if the gas hole is off between the barrel and cylinder.

I carry extra parts with me when ever testing a new Garand. Darn thing would fire 5 rounds then I would have to pull the bolt back for the next round. It would fire 2 then same. Then all 8 rounds fired and next time I had to pull handle back on 2nd round. Sometimes the round would eject and others it was still in the chamber. Good luck. Rick B

Moss500Bantam · 05-14-2007, 07:45 AM

Thank you all for the timely responses. It looks like I have a project of love ahead of me. It may take a while, but I'll try to post the results if any.

05-13-2007, 06:32 PM	#1
Moss500Bantam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 257	Garand issue Hi all, Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Upon firing the Garand today. I had a few instances where eject and feed was ok, but the weapon strangey seemed not to cock. I cycled the op rod, ejecting the chambered round (live) let it go to strip a fresh one and was back to bang again.

05-13-2007, 08:07 PM	#7
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,669 Images: 2	I would pull the trigger group and examine the sear,springs and hammer notches first, since it doesn't sound like it "Short stroked" since it loaded another Round... Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

05-13-2007, 08:15 PM	#8
Ben Hartley Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Jaffrey, New Hampshire Posts: 146	Garand not cocking... Moss... It's hard to tell without actually having the rifle in hand, but here are a couple of thoughts for you: 1. You may be confronted with a classic "short stroke," which can act as you described. There are several causes, but I'd bet that the operating rod spring is weak, overcompressed, or even -- gasp! -- broken. Cure: replace the spring. You can get a very good one at Orion 7: Orion 7 Enterprises Inc. 2. It is possible that the hammer/trigger/sear hooks are worn excessively, and are intermittantly failing to function properly. Short of getting the rifle to a good Garand 'smith, Clint McKee at Fulton Armory has published a book about maintaining -- actually, building -- the M1 Garand. You can find the book at this site: Fulton Armory: FAR-15 Stuff, Garand Stuff, and More! Hope this is of some help. Ben Hartley

05-13-2007, 09:49 PM	#9
Stock Doc Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Middle Ohio I see water Posts: 838	Ben has good advice above. I had this last month at the range and changed the gas cylinder. It fixed the problem right away. Having it to tight or to loose also can cause it if the gas hole is off between the barrel and cylinder. I carry extra parts with me when ever testing a new Garand. Darn thing would fire 5 rounds then I would have to pull the bolt back for the next round. It would fire 2 then same. Then all 8 rounds fired and next time I had to pull handle back on 2nd round. Sometimes the round would eject and others it was still in the chamber. Good luck. Rick B __________________ If I cant fix it,, It must REALLY be broken!

05-13-2007, 06:50 PM	#2
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	Perhaps a good cleaning and lubrication is in order.

05-13-2007, 07:28 PM	#3
Moss500Bantam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 257	Good point, but the weapon went to the range clean, lubed and serviceable. Properly lubed with grease as a Garand should be. Feed and eject was flawless. The trigger group has no residue, grit, grime or other nasty stuff. Just lost it's hammer cock.

05-13-2007, 07:39 PM	#4
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	My suggestion is my limited knowledge with the M-1.

05-13-2007, 07:51 PM	#5
Moss500Bantam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 257	It's appreciated. Perhaps we will all learn something.

05-13-2007, 08:06 PM	#6
JoeLee Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North New York State. Posts: 1,241	Make a post here gunsmiths frequent this site. e-Gunparts.com Forums/Message Boards

05-14-2007, 07:45 AM	#10
Moss500Bantam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 257	Thank you all for the timely responses. It looks like I have a project of love ahead of me. It may take a while, but I'll try to post the results if any.