Records of/Garand/Peterson Project 5

eclancy · 06-30-2007, 10:02 AM

Gentlemen,
The topic on this file shows us info/data on Mr Garand and Mr Peterson and their work at SA. Again these files are for the new guys. I hope you find this data of Interest.
Without input from you guys no one learns anything Try to put in some info/question and we can learn more of the M1's History.
Some files have been seen before

Gentlemen I could use some hits I just need you guys that read this to just hit my sites and get my site counts up.
Thanks again
Clancy
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Oxford · 06-30-2007, 10:38 AM

Eclancy...I always enjoy reading your posts...but most times I have no clue as to the answer to your questions. Mainly, I appreciate the history of Garands that you're presenting to us in an interesting manner.

The guy in the parade overlooking a marching band, in front of a Bank of America building who is standing in front of a wheel chair...is that you?

Tex in Maine · 06-30-2007, 01:53 PM

Oxford, actually the pic shows a color guard passing and the only person standing in respect is the elderly gentelman in the wheel chair, who is most likely a veteran. the young people on the sidewalk are stil seated. The implication is subtle but carries a deep message.

billy · 06-30-2007, 04:37 PM

i wish we had more folks with encyclopedic knowledge of other military firearms like you!
you are THE go to guy for garands

i never know anything of what you speak. ( i dont collect garands)
but keep it up!

BFRANKlin · 07-01-2007, 01:07 AM

What were the drawbacks of the .276 cartridge? Is .276= to 7mm.? Was it stoping power, or what?
Was that Pederson the inventor of the Pederson device to convert Springfield rifles to semi-autos? I've seen a converted Springfield Rifle at a gun show and a Pederson device for sale in David Otipalic's (spelling wrong?) ad in Shotgun News.

TheJoker · 07-01-2007, 01:21 AM

According to a couple of sources I found in google, "...General MacArthur stated that the US Military should stick to the old .30-06 cartridge"

That's interesting. I wonder if that's true. It really does make sense to keep the 30-06 considering the 03's were using that cartridge.

Found more...at this site: The Gun Zone -- John C. Garand

The Ordnance Department agreed and recommended the manufacture of a .276 caliber Garand.

For the next four years the two rifles (and other commercial designs) were tested against one other, and Pedersen lost the contest as his system required lubricated ammo... a major liability as lube'd ammo picks up dirt which leads to jamming. The Army also wanted to used the same cartridge for its infantry rifle and its machine-gun, since they had literally tons of .30 caliber ammo left over from World War I.

Both rounds were tested on pigs and goats to discover if the .276 was powerful enough. When it proved successful in those tests,in 1932 the Semiautomatic Rifle Board recommended the use of Garand's .276. But the autocratic General Douglas MacArthur overruled the collective decision and ordered the production of a rifle chambered for the WW I surplus .30 caliber ammo. It was the early years of the Great Depression and Congress was in the process of cutting military spending... there were simply no funding for the production of the new .276 cartridges.

Interesting stuff!!!

eclancy · 07-01-2007, 09:00 AM

Joker,
If you have time go to my two Garand sited on the net. Right now there is a SPECIAL post on the M1 and M2 Ball ammo. You may find it of interest. Ordnance was looking at the .276 but they also told SA to look over the .256 Cal.
Thanks again
Clancy

eclancy · 07-02-2007, 10:11 AM

Gentlemn,
The odd thing about the .276 was this: 140gr 2600fps. If they went to the .256 they also wanted a 140gr. at 2600fps. Yes Gen. MacARTHUR, said that the US Military would use the 30.06 Cal in the new rifles.
Thanks again
Clancy

06-30-2007, 10:02 AM	#1
eclancy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: N. Catasauqua, Pa Posts: 1,338	Records of/Garand/Peterson Project 5 Gentlemen, The topic on this file shows us info/data on Mr Garand and Mr Peterson and their work at SA. Again these files are for the new guys. I hope you find this data of Interest. Without input from you guys no one learns anything Try to put in some info/question and we can learn more of the M1's History. Some files have been seen before Gentlemen I could use some hits I just need you guys that read this to just hit my sites and get my site counts up. Thanks again Clancy NRA Life Endowment NRA Training Counselor to make NRA Instructor's in Pistol, Rifle, Home Fire Arm Safety and Personal Protection NRA Instructor in Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Home Fire Arm Safety and Personal Protection USNI FSS 90% / BW X Speed Div by 1000 = PF Stone Soda Can Hammer THA 63 B __________________ http://www.garandm1rifle.com http://www.users.fast.net/~eclancy

06-30-2007, 10:38 AM	#2
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,023 Blog Entries: 4	Eclancy...I always enjoy reading your posts...but most times I have no clue as to the answer to your questions. Mainly, I appreciate the history of Garands that you're presenting to us in an interesting manner. The guy in the parade overlooking a marching band, in front of a Bank of America building who is standing in front of a wheel chair...is that you? __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

06-30-2007, 04:37 PM	#4
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 12,164 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 146	i wish we had more folks with encyclopedic knowledge of other military firearms like you! you are THE go to guy for garands i never know anything of what you speak. ( i dont collect garands) but keep it up! __________________ Last edited by billy; 06-30-2007 at 04:39 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

07-01-2007, 01:07 AM	#5
BFRANKlin Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 258	What were the drawbacks of the .276 cartridge? Is .276= to 7mm.? Was it stoping power, or what? Was that Pederson the inventor of the Pederson device to convert Springfield rifles to semi-autos? I've seen a converted Springfield Rifle at a gun show and a Pederson device for sale in David Otipalic's (spelling wrong?) ad in Shotgun News. Last edited by BFRANKlin; 07-01-2007 at 01:14 AM.

07-01-2007, 01:21 AM	#6
TheJoker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 292	According to a couple of sources I found in google, "...General MacArthur stated that the US Military should stick to the old .30-06 cartridge" That's interesting. I wonder if that's true. It really does make sense to keep the 30-06 considering the 03's were using that cartridge. Found more...at this site: The Gun Zone -- John C. Garand The Ordnance Department agreed and recommended the manufacture of a .276 caliber Garand. For the next four years the two rifles (and other commercial designs) were tested against one other, and Pedersen lost the contest as his system required lubricated ammo... a major liability as lube'd ammo picks up dirt which leads to jamming. The Army also wanted to used the same cartridge for its infantry rifle and its machine-gun, since they had literally tons of .30 caliber ammo left over from World War I. Both rounds were tested on pigs and goats to discover if the .276 was powerful enough. When it proved successful in those tests,in 1932 the Semiautomatic Rifle Board recommended the use of Garand's .276. But the autocratic General Douglas MacArthur overruled the collective decision and ordered the production of a rifle chambered for the WW I surplus .30 caliber ammo. It was the early years of the Great Depression and Congress was in the process of cutting military spending... there were simply no funding for the production of the new .276 cartridges. Interesting stuff!!! __________________ "Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss." -- Lazarus Long Last edited by TheJoker; 07-01-2007 at 01:31 AM.

06-30-2007, 01:53 PM	#3
Tex in Maine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway, Maine Posts: 235	Oxford, actually the pic shows a color guard passing and the only person standing in respect is the elderly gentelman in the wheel chair, who is most likely a veteran. the young people on the sidewalk are stil seated. The implication is subtle but carries a deep message.

07-01-2007, 09:00 AM	#7
eclancy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: N. Catasauqua, Pa Posts: 1,338	Joker, If you have time go to my two Garand sited on the net. Right now there is a SPECIAL post on the M1 and M2 Ball ammo. You may find it of interest. Ordnance was looking at the .276 but they also told SA to look over the .256 Cal. Thanks again Clancy __________________ http://www.garandm1rifle.com http://www.users.fast.net/~eclancy

07-02-2007, 10:11 AM	#8
eclancy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: N. Catasauqua, Pa Posts: 1,338	Gentlemn, The odd thing about the .276 was this: 140gr 2600fps. If they went to the .256 they also wanted a 140gr. at 2600fps. Yes Gen. MacARTHUR, said that the US Military would use the 30.06 Cal in the new rifles. Thanks again Clancy __________________ http://www.garandm1rifle.com http://www.users.fast.net/~eclancy