ejection problems

lefty o · 08-12-2002, 04:46 AM

M1 used to eject perfectly- 5 to 6feet out at 2-0clock. then extractor broke. replaced extractor and installed new wolf ejector spring while i was in there, now rifle kicks brass everywhere-fwd, right bounces off rear sight cover/ my forehead. any ideas, try a different extractor, or could the wolf spring be too strong?

DaveTinNY · 08-12-2002, 09:47 AM

I'd buy a USGI Garand ejector spring from one of the various suppliers (they're cheap) and see how it does for you. Is "Wolf" a brand name?
Good luck -

Dave T

ltcboy · 08-12-2002, 10:10 AM

The Garand is a USGI rifle---only use USGI parts. The only reason you wouldnt use USGI parts is in the case of if you own a CAI reciever. If thats the case, field strip the CAI Garand. Take any parts that are USGI and put them into a coffee can. Next take the CAI reciever and any other parts that say CAI on them, and throw them in the trash.

Hope this helps.

Eric · 08-12-2002, 11:23 AM

ltcboy, are we a bit disgruntled with CAI or what. I'm a SA guy myself. But I still don't suggest throwing anything in the garbage. Of course, I don't own one. What's your take on the CAI?

knabenhaft · 08-12-2002, 01:42 PM

I own a CAI garand and have had no problems with it. It shoots like it is supposed to and ejects the clip when finished. If you dont like the CAI that is fine but dont tell people it sucks just because it wasnt made during the war. Who cares when it was made. The CAI recievers were designed from the original blue prints as the original garands. Some of the original garand recievers have had problems along with other parts of the gun. Thats why guns are always tweaked here and there. The money i saved from buying this allowed me to purchase 5 other rifles and a few pistols. Before you go crazy and start jumping on me my father also shot the CAI garand and would gladly use it if he had to. I would believe my father before anyone else because he used a garand in korea, and has experience with this gun in combat.

Sorry for the long reply but you shouldnt say bad words about a gun that functions like its supposed to.

ltcboy · 08-12-2002, 05:43 PM

The early CAI recievers sucked. There were alot of problems with them. If you guys recall, and check, there was a guy in this forum who had a CAI Garand and during shooting the barrel loosened and came off after he checked to see what the problem was. If you own a CAI, God Bless You, whatever flips your switch. I didnt post what I said to offend anybody, just CAI. (Im joking

) ) If you enjoy your CAI, great. I would still save your $$ and get a USGI Garand. As I said, its my opinion that CAI sucks. If you happen to disagree, fine. Just dont take offense.

lefty o · 08-12-2002, 05:53 PM

thanks for the input, and no it aint a cai.

Eric · 08-12-2002, 06:56 PM

Well, I reckon I'm still not in the know on the CAIs. I believe I do recall the previous thread tho, I remember alot of people getting ticked off. I personally think having a .22 is better than not having a gun and having a CAI Garand is also better than not having a Garand. My question is why not dry up CMP first?

ltcboy · 08-12-2002, 10:26 PM

Knabenhaft---

I am going to get a digital camera. If I could show you the M1 that I have from the CMP you wouldnt believe it. I paid $500 for it. Its an HRA. I bought a walnut stock for it, had the walnut handguards from another rifle, Stock Doc just finished his magic on it. How about it Rick. If you can post ant pics of my stock I would appreciate it. So total I paid about $650 for all the work on it. This rifle I guarantee will out perform any CAI out there. And it looks as if I went back to 1953 and took it from an U.S. Army barracks. With the amount of M1's that are out there in the market that are USGI you are very remiss if you dont get one. CAI is not history. SA, IHC, HRA, and WRA are. The quality from that generation stands out against time. There were no CAD/CAM designs, no computer input with 3-D input. These USGI recievers are the best. You said that USGI recievers had problems. What were they?? I told you one of the many that has happend with the CAI, and a very dangerous one at that. When a barrel loosens on a brand new rifle, thats a serious comprimise to your safety. I have never heard of this happening to a GI issue. You also said that the money that you saved from buying a CAI, you went out and bought other firearms. Great, thats nice. You just admitted that if you had the money you would have bought a USGI issue M1 Garand. You imply that you bought an inferior rifle and settled for second best because you got a money bargain.

You know you get what you pay for. However I cannot understand how a CMP rifle is not affordable for you to buy. Typically they are about $500. If that's the case, how much did you pay for your CAI?? I'm curious. I think deep down you really wanted the USGI M1, settled for a CAI, and now you read what I posted negativley about that rifle, and have to defend your reasoning for buying it. Is it me or am I a little off base here?

knabenhaft · 08-13-2002, 04:29 PM

Its not the money that stopped me from buying a CMP rifle its the fact of all the hoops you have to go through to get one. I for one dont see the need to shoot at a target and get put on a waiting list and whatever other steps needed to get one (Not sure if those are the steps). If you are a US citizen and you are law abiding then you should be able to get a CMP garand the same day. Im not trying to lash out an anyone so dont take my rants the wrong way. I am just used to getting my toys the same day without the hassle.

Eric · 08-13-2002, 04:39 PM

Knabenhaft,
I agree! A gun in hand is better than five on order. But, now that you have your Garand in your hands and aren't itching to hold 'yours' anymore, I think you should check out CMP and do whatever and get you one, or five, or whatever the case. Since you have one it doesn't matter how long until the other 'goodies' come in. Remember, it is impossible to own too many guns. Good Shooting Partner!

ltcboy · 08-13-2002, 05:35 PM

Knabenhaft--

I agree with you also, 100% Thats why I bought a service grade USGI Garand from Tony Giacobbe. That was my first Garand. www.garandguy.com For $550 you couldnt go wrong, and there is no waiting and no 'hoops' to jump thru to get one. I will still put my USGI that I got from Giacobbe up against any CAI. You should check out his website.

Stock Doc · 08-13-2002, 08:00 PM

The CMP is not a hoop jumping experience but one of the best organizations I have ever dealt with. CAI on the other hand is a bunch of rip off artists. I dont care about what you buy, but if it is crap you cant call it anything else but maybe poopy, Dung or a real nasty word. Point and case is CAI has put many folks lives on the line and people should be warned. Sorry you feel there great and figure you were one of the lucky few that can get a bit of ammo out of there but most fail at one time or another but who am I but a knuckle head that is into Garands about 1,000 fold deeper than most. I alone seen well over a few thousand last year I bet. I refinished about 500 and that is being generous. The people I talk with every day are good eyes and ears. SO I only speak for SAFETY not pride or WWII stories. The issue is plain and simply Safety. Good luck and dont shoot you're eye out! Rick B

P.S. this was written with a smile not anger so dont think I was upset just talking with hopefully some help.

Eric · 08-13-2002, 09:06 PM

nuff said.

knabenhaft · 08-13-2002, 11:29 PM

I agree with you stockdoc, saftey is and should be the number one issue with any gun you buy. I guess i am one of the lucky ones. I do enjoy my garand but my real love is for the european firearms. So unless i see a really good deal on an original garand it looks like the mosins and mausers of the world will be my achilles heel. Even the ugly rifles the french create.

Dale · 08-14-2002, 12:59 AM

After reading a few posts I got a little confused....went back and check the thread title.

It says ejection....makes sense now.

Better to have that kinda problem and not the other.

08-12-2002, 04:46 AM	#1
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,028	ejection problems M1 used to eject perfectly- 5 to 6feet out at 2-0clock. then extractor broke. replaced extractor and installed new wolf ejector spring while i was in there, now rifle kicks brass everywhere-fwd, right bounces off rear sight cover/ my forehead. any ideas, try a different extractor, or could the wolf spring be too strong?

08-12-2002, 09:47 AM	#2
DaveTinNY Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast NY Posts: 75	I'd buy a USGI Garand ejector spring from one of the various suppliers (they're cheap) and see how it does for you. Is "Wolf" a brand name? Good luck - Dave T __________________ Platoon Sgt. Daniel H. Tremper KIA, hedgerow fighting, 7 JUL 1944 Vire, France

08-12-2002, 10:10 AM	#3
ltcboy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicagoland area Posts: 496	The Garand is a USGI rifle---only use USGI parts. The only reason you wouldnt use USGI parts is in the case of if you own a CAI reciever. If thats the case, field strip the CAI Garand. Take any parts that are USGI and put them into a coffee can. Next take the CAI reciever and any other parts that say CAI on them, and throw them in the trash. Hope this helps. __________________ Up Bin Laden's ***!

08-12-2002, 11:23 AM	#4
Eric Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: USA Posts: 673	ltcboy, are we a bit disgruntled with CAI or what. I'm a SA guy myself. But I still don't suggest throwing anything in the garbage. Of course, I don't own one. What's your take on the CAI? __________________ I told him straight up, "You are an idiot for bringing those two fists to this gun fight."

08-12-2002, 05:43 PM	#6
ltcboy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicagoland area Posts: 496	The early CAI recievers sucked. There were alot of problems with them. If you guys recall, and check, there was a guy in this forum who had a CAI Garand and during shooting the barrel loosened and came off after he checked to see what the problem was. If you own a CAI, God Bless You, whatever flips your switch. I didnt post what I said to offend anybody, just CAI. (Im joking) ) If you enjoy your CAI, great. I would still save your $$ and get a USGI Garand. As I said, its my opinion that CAI sucks. If you happen to disagree, fine. Just dont take offense. __________________ Up Bin Laden's ***!

08-12-2002, 01:42 PM	#5
knabenhaft Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 21	I own a CAI garand and have had no problems with it. It shoots like it is supposed to and ejects the clip when finished. If you dont like the CAI that is fine but dont tell people it sucks just because it wasnt made during the war. Who cares when it was made. The CAI recievers were designed from the original blue prints as the original garands. Some of the original garand recievers have had problems along with other parts of the gun. Thats why guns are always tweaked here and there. The money i saved from buying this allowed me to purchase 5 other rifles and a few pistols. Before you go crazy and start jumping on me my father also shot the CAI garand and would gladly use it if he had to. I would believe my father before anyone else because he used a garand in korea, and has experience with this gun in combat. Sorry for the long reply but you shouldnt say bad words about a gun that functions like its supposed to.

08-12-2002, 05:53 PM	#7
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,028	thanks for the input, and no it aint a cai.

08-12-2002, 06:56 PM	#8
Eric Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: USA Posts: 673	Well, I reckon I'm still not in the know on the CAIs. I believe I do recall the previous thread tho, I remember alot of people getting ticked off. I personally think having a .22 is better than not having a gun and having a CAI Garand is also better than not having a Garand. My question is why not dry up CMP first? __________________ I told him straight up, "You are an idiot for bringing those two fists to this gun fight."

08-12-2002, 10:26 PM	#9
ltcboy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicagoland area Posts: 496	Knabenhaft--- I am going to get a digital camera. If I could show you the M1 that I have from the CMP you wouldnt believe it. I paid $500 for it. Its an HRA. I bought a walnut stock for it, had the walnut handguards from another rifle, Stock Doc just finished his magic on it. How about it Rick. If you can post ant pics of my stock I would appreciate it. So total I paid about $650 for all the work on it. This rifle I guarantee will out perform any CAI out there. And it looks as if I went back to 1953 and took it from an U.S. Army barracks. With the amount of M1's that are out there in the market that are USGI you are very remiss if you dont get one. CAI is not history. SA, IHC, HRA, and WRA are. The quality from that generation stands out against time. There were no CAD/CAM designs, no computer input with 3-D input. These USGI recievers are the best. You said that USGI recievers had problems. What were they?? I told you one of the many that has happend with the CAI, and a very dangerous one at that. When a barrel loosens on a brand new rifle, thats a serious comprimise to your safety. I have never heard of this happening to a GI issue. You also said that the money that you saved from buying a CAI, you went out and bought other firearms. Great, thats nice. You just admitted that if you had the money you would have bought a USGI issue M1 Garand. You imply that you bought an inferior rifle and settled for second best because you got a money bargain. You know you get what you pay for. However I cannot understand how a CMP rifle is not affordable for you to buy. Typically they are about $500. If that's the case, how much did you pay for your CAI?? I'm curious. I think deep down you really wanted the USGI M1, settled for a CAI, and now you read what I posted negativley about that rifle, and have to defend your reasoning for buying it. Is it me or am I a little off base here? __________________ Up Bin Laden's ***!

08-13-2002, 04:29 PM	#10
knabenhaft Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 21	Its not the money that stopped me from buying a CMP rifle its the fact of all the hoops you have to go through to get one. I for one dont see the need to shoot at a target and get put on a waiting list and whatever other steps needed to get one (Not sure if those are the steps). If you are a US citizen and you are law abiding then you should be able to get a CMP garand the same day. Im not trying to lash out an anyone so dont take my rants the wrong way. I am just used to getting my toys the same day without the hassle.

08-13-2002, 04:39 PM	#11
Eric Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: USA Posts: 673	Knabenhaft, I agree! A gun in hand is better than five on order. But, now that you have your Garand in your hands and aren't itching to hold 'yours' anymore, I think you should check out CMP and do whatever and get you one, or five, or whatever the case. Since you have one it doesn't matter how long until the other 'goodies' come in. Remember, it is impossible to own too many guns. Good Shooting Partner! __________________ I told him straight up, "You are an idiot for bringing those two fists to this gun fight."

08-13-2002, 05:35 PM	#12
ltcboy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicagoland area Posts: 496	Knabenhaft-- I agree with you also, 100% Thats why I bought a service grade USGI Garand from Tony Giacobbe. That was my first Garand. www.garandguy.com For $550 you couldnt go wrong, and there is no waiting and no 'hoops' to jump thru to get one. I will still put my USGI that I got from Giacobbe up against any CAI. You should check out his website. __________________ Up Bin Laden's ***!

08-13-2002, 08:00 PM	#13
Stock Doc Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Middle Ohio I see water Posts: 844	The CMP is not a hoop jumping experience but one of the best organizations I have ever dealt with. CAI on the other hand is a bunch of rip off artists. I dont care about what you buy, but if it is crap you cant call it anything else but maybe poopy, Dung or a real nasty word. Point and case is CAI has put many folks lives on the line and people should be warned. Sorry you feel there great and figure you were one of the lucky few that can get a bit of ammo out of there but most fail at one time or another but who am I but a knuckle head that is into Garands about 1,000 fold deeper than most. I alone seen well over a few thousand last year I bet. I refinished about 500 and that is being generous. The people I talk with every day are good eyes and ears. SO I only speak for SAFETY not pride or WWII stories. The issue is plain and simply Safety. Good luck and dont shoot you're eye out! Rick B P.S. this was written with a smile not anger so dont think I was upset just talking with hopefully some help. __________________ If I cant fix it,, It must REALLY be broken! Last edited by Stock Doc; 08-13-2002 at 10:06 PM.

08-13-2002, 09:06 PM	#14
Eric Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: USA Posts: 673	nuff said. __________________ I told him straight up, "You are an idiot for bringing those two fists to this gun fight."

08-13-2002, 11:29 PM	#15
knabenhaft Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 21	I agree with you stockdoc, saftey is and should be the number one issue with any gun you buy. I guess i am one of the lucky ones. I do enjoy my garand but my real love is for the european firearms. So unless i see a really good deal on an original garand it looks like the mosins and mausers of the world will be my achilles heel. Even the ugly rifles the french create.

08-14-2002, 12:59 AM	#16
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	After reading a few posts I got a little confused....went back and check the thread title. It says ejection....makes sense now. Better to have that kinda problem and not the other. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me