M1 Kaboom! - Page 2

Michael M · 05-27-2003, 06:00 PM

I hesitate to say anythying without the paperwork in front of me, but here goes. My manuals are still in storage, but I seem to recall that Springfield warrants for life, provided that you don't void the warranty. Using incorrect ammo voids the warranty. Now, to Springfield, incorrect ammo is anything other than what they specify. And they specify quite narrowly. Like two or three by brand name. And of course no reloads. I certainly understand the no reloads-I've seen some pretty stupid things in my limited experience, so they won't guarantee against idiocy, ok. And I guess mil-surp as a no no, ok, SOME of it is pretty iffy, and who knows the history of storage conditions. But what you end up with is pretty severely restrictive, for warranty purposes. I can't recall the two(?) brands that are specified, at least I remember it as two. They do the same for the M1A. So that would seem likely as a warranty issue, especially since the Winchester would not have military (hard) primers. Having read the manuals, I am aware of the restrictions, and choose to reload anyway, but I use hard primers(CCI), and stick with Nato head stamp for the M1A. I am not aware of any company that will warrant against damage that occurs when using reloads, and simply don't know about the what if when using surplus ammo, but assume it to be about the same. My knowledge of firearms is pretty rudimentary, and I learn quite a lot from this forum. One thing that I learned here is the problem with slam fires in any self loader with a 'floating' firing pin, like the M1, M1A, MAS49/56, etc. when shooting ammo with commercial primers, and I can attest to the fact that the M1 will definitely dent the primers when you chamber a round. How you could end up with the problem that Mr. Eaker had is simply beyond my limited understanding, but I believe that I understand the warranty issue, whether I agree with Springfield or not, I simply understand their point as spelled out in the warranty that came with my rifle. Whether I choose to violate the warranty or not is my own decision, and I choose to do so, as do most shooters who are reloading, whether for economy or seeking that majic combo that wins matches. But I try my utmost to remain within the limits of safety, always. I remain mystified about the cause of the accident, and I don't feel qualified to render any opinions about it, but it at least should remind us all to exercise caution in our hobby. I just thank the lord that no one was seriously hurt, as could so easily have been the case!

Full MeTal Jack · 10-06-2003, 08:40 PM

Tom, very interresting web site. Dont' hold back!

( A Rosenberger here)

Eaker · 10-29-2003, 11:58 AM

Thanks Jack!

10-06-2003, 08:40 PM	#22
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05-27-2003, 06:00 PM	#21
Michael M Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 58	I hesitate to say anythying without the paperwork in front of me, but here goes. My manuals are still in storage, but I seem to recall that Springfield warrants for life, provided that you don't void the warranty. Using incorrect ammo voids the warranty. Now, to Springfield, incorrect ammo is anything other than what they specify. And they specify quite narrowly. Like two or three by brand name. And of course no reloads. I certainly understand the no reloads-I've seen some pretty stupid things in my limited experience, so they won't guarantee against idiocy, ok. And I guess mil-surp as a no no, ok, SOME of it is pretty iffy, and who knows the history of storage conditions. But what you end up with is pretty severely restrictive, for warranty purposes. I can't recall the two(?) brands that are specified, at least I remember it as two. They do the same for the M1A. So that would seem likely as a warranty issue, especially since the Winchester would not have military (hard) primers. Having read the manuals, I am aware of the restrictions, and choose to reload anyway, but I use hard primers(CCI), and stick with Nato head stamp for the M1A. I am not aware of any company that will warrant against damage that occurs when using reloads, and simply don't know about the what if when using surplus ammo, but assume it to be about the same. My knowledge of firearms is pretty rudimentary, and I learn quite a lot from this forum. One thing that I learned here is the problem with slam fires in any self loader with a 'floating' firing pin, like the M1, M1A, MAS49/56, etc. when shooting ammo with commercial primers, and I can attest to the fact that the M1 will definitely dent the primers when you chamber a round. How you could end up with the problem that Mr. Eaker had is simply beyond my limited understanding, but I believe that I understand the warranty issue, whether I agree with Springfield or not, I simply understand their point as spelled out in the warranty that came with my rifle. Whether I choose to violate the warranty or not is my own decision, and I choose to do so, as do most shooters who are reloading, whether for economy or seeking that majic combo that wins matches. But I try my utmost to remain within the limits of safety, always. I remain mystified about the cause of the accident, and I don't feel qualified to render any opinions about it, but it at least should remind us all to exercise caution in our hobby. I just thank the lord that no one was seriously hurt, as could so easily have been the case!

10-29-2003, 11:58 AM	#23
Eaker Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 6	Thanks Jack!