This may sound real sick but.....

oddbawl · 09-14-2002, 11:18 AM

Actually it was 2430 meters. Here's the article. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/713521/posts
I hope that neither of our nations is judged by the words of our politicians, but rather our actions. The majority of Canadians support the US and it's the citizens that proved it not limp d**k politicians with hidden agendas. There were 3 hour line ups at blood banks in Toronto to send to New York as well as multiple tractor trailer loads of donated gear to help with rescue efforts.
I live too far from the airport, but a friend of mine put up a couple that were stranded, as did hundreds of others.
You're not only our nieghbours, but for some of us, you are aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters too.

Don · 09-15-2002, 11:40 AM

Now I hear the the USAF is going to charge the two US pilots that dropped bombs on the Canadian troops in Afganistan and killed four of them. That is BS, when you are in warzone, fratricide sometimes happens and that is a fact of life. However unfortunate it might be, little accidents happen. If you are going to carry the war against terrorism to THEIR backyard and create a warzone in someone elses country, there are going to deaths (THEIRS and YOURS). We Canadians have not been involved in a ground war for so long that we have forgotten that ponges (grunts to you Americans) are going to die. When they brought back the 4 dead Patricia's, we had a national service for them in Ottawa and Edmonton (the battalions home base). I don't seem to recall that happening for the first Canadian deaths in Korea, or Cyprus nor Bosnia. Politicians trying to make political marks with the public and my BS flag sure popped up. I'm sure other Canadians saw it this way too. I hope they get off and not time in Leavenworth, KS.

Sniper[MI] · 09-15-2002, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gus L.
I wish Peter Jennings thought that way...:nod:

I kinda wish he thought he was super man and tried to stop an Afganni bullet with his chest............
:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:

oddbawl · 09-15-2002, 11:59 PM

Don,
I don't think this is the forum for this dicussion, but I can't keep quiet. I hope you're kidding about the statements you made about the friendly fire incident. Have you followed the incident at all? Two separate official inquiries were made in to the incident and both came to the same conclusions. The pilot who dropped the bomb was directly ordered to hold fire but did so anyway. I understand that friendly fire is indeed an unfortunate aspect to any combat situation, but these soldiers were on a freakin training exercise. Both inquiries conlcuded that the training exercise was authorized and that the rules of engagement were violated, resulting in the accident. You calling it a "little accident" is infuriating and insensitive regardless of nationality. Judging from all the interviews I've read from Cdn soldiers supporting Americans on the battlefield, they often survived only because of US air and ground support. This incident changes none of that, but that pilot really dropped the ball if the report is to be believed. I don't see a problem with a ceremony for fallen soldiers, and I bet there were veterans of Korea, Cyprus and Bosnia there. Do you think they would feel that these fallen men were unworthy of recognition?
Before I get a flurry of hate mail, I want to make it clear that I am in no way critisizing the US armed forces, this is an isolated incident and our way of life depends on the sacrifices these brave US soldiers are making. We're counting on you, keep up the good work. This ranting Canuck is with you all the way.
P.S. I work offshore and don't see a newspaper for weeks at a time, What did Jennings say?

GrassHoppa · 09-16-2002, 03:05 AM

Yeah, I agree. This discussion is really for another set of forums but still. I think we can all say that it was an unfortunate accident and that no one is happy it happened. If that's true that they did drop the bomb by breaking the rules of engagement then they can't just say "Ooops! Oh well, it's ok! We're at war and so it ok we just bombed some friendlies!". That would just be negligent and down right irresponsible. As for the big ceremony for them, I think it was justified. It's not like they were KIA, it was an accident. These guys had family. Again, it's an unfortunate situation. Anyway, the real reason I started this post was so people could vent about 911.

Don · 09-16-2002, 10:03 PM

Sorry guys, I am a professional military pilot and I appologize. however, it is war and incidents do happen. I remember in the Gulf war, we Canadians almost shot down an American marine F-18 after he egressed from Kuwait at about 0030 hrs one morning(you didn't read about that one did you). It erkes me that we will place our soldiers up on high for the public only when it suits the government and the press. Enough said.

oddbawl · 09-17-2002, 01:38 AM

Fair enough. So, how about those Garands...

Don · 09-17-2002, 11:22 PM

Love them, I've only got one that came out of the Danish stocks that arrived in Canada about three years ago. $177 and you can't go wrong. Had it our to the range again and d*mn it still shoots straight. I can't wait till hunting season.

ltcboy · 09-18-2002, 06:57 AM

Maybe I should get a duel citizenship in Canada to get M1's for that cost.

Grasshoppa@Work · 09-18-2002, 03:31 PM

Yeah, I live in Canada, I got my M1 for 550 bucks (350 American). Var barrel, and I'm pretty sure that the thing hasent been fired much since it was rebuilt in '93. Shoots as straight as an arrow. I think I was lucky though, mine happened to be in really good shape. Some I've seen up here are just in HORRIBLE shape. Anyway, c'mon up here and get your cheap rifles y'hear?

Rick the Librarian · 09-18-2002, 08:37 PM

....if it wasn't for the silly little rule about taking them through customs!

09-18-2002, 06:57 AM	#29
ltcboy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicagoland area Posts: 496	Maybe I should get a duel citizenship in Canada to get M1's for that cost. __________________ Up Bin Laden's ***!

09-18-2002, 03:31 PM	#30
Grasshoppa@Work Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 30	Yeah, I live in Canada, I got my M1 for 550 bucks (350 American). Var barrel, and I'm pretty sure that the thing hasent been fired much since it was rebuilt in '93. Shoots as straight as an arrow. I think I was lucky though, mine happened to be in really good shape. Some I've seen up here are just in HORRIBLE shape. Anyway, c'mon up here and get your cheap rifles y'hear? __________________ ------------------------------ We should all get the chance to kick Bin Laden in the crotch when they find him. ------------------------------

09-14-2002, 11:18 AM	#21
oddbawl Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hamilton, Ont. Canada Posts: 52	Actually it was 2430 meters. Here's the article. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/713521/posts I hope that neither of our nations is judged by the words of our politicians, but rather our actions. The majority of Canadians support the US and it's the citizens that proved it not limp d**k politicians with hidden agendas. There were 3 hour line ups at blood banks in Toronto to send to New York as well as multiple tractor trailer loads of donated gear to help with rescue efforts. I live too far from the airport, but a friend of mine put up a couple that were stranded, as did hundreds of others. You're not only our nieghbours, but for some of us, you are aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters too.

09-15-2002, 11:40 AM	#22
Don Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Posts: 56	Now I hear the the USAF is going to charge the two US pilots that dropped bombs on the Canadian troops in Afganistan and killed four of them. That is BS, when you are in warzone, fratricide sometimes happens and that is a fact of life. However unfortunate it might be, little accidents happen. If you are going to carry the war against terrorism to THEIR backyard and create a warzone in someone elses country, there are going to deaths (THEIRS and YOURS). We Canadians have not been involved in a ground war for so long that we have forgotten that ponges (grunts to you Americans) are going to die. When they brought back the 4 dead Patricia's, we had a national service for them in Ottawa and Edmonton (the battalions home base). I don't seem to recall that happening for the first Canadian deaths in Korea, or Cyprus nor Bosnia. Politicians trying to make political marks with the public and my BS flag sure popped up. I'm sure other Canadians saw it this way too. I hope they get off and not time in Leavenworth, KS.

09-15-2002, 11:59 PM	#24
oddbawl Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hamilton, Ont. Canada Posts: 52	Don, I don't think this is the forum for this dicussion, but I can't keep quiet. I hope you're kidding about the statements you made about the friendly fire incident. Have you followed the incident at all? Two separate official inquiries were made in to the incident and both came to the same conclusions. The pilot who dropped the bomb was directly ordered to hold fire but did so anyway. I understand that friendly fire is indeed an unfortunate aspect to any combat situation, but these soldiers were on a freakin training exercise. Both inquiries conlcuded that the training exercise was authorized and that the rules of engagement were violated, resulting in the accident. You calling it a "little accident" is infuriating and insensitive regardless of nationality. Judging from all the interviews I've read from Cdn soldiers supporting Americans on the battlefield, they often survived only because of US air and ground support. This incident changes none of that, but that pilot really dropped the ball if the report is to be believed. I don't see a problem with a ceremony for fallen soldiers, and I bet there were veterans of Korea, Cyprus and Bosnia there. Do you think they would feel that these fallen men were unworthy of recognition? Before I get a flurry of hate mail, I want to make it clear that I am in no way critisizing the US armed forces, this is an isolated incident and our way of life depends on the sacrifices these brave US soldiers are making. We're counting on you, keep up the good work. This ranting Canuck is with you all the way. P.S. I work offshore and don't see a newspaper for weeks at a time, What did Jennings say?

09-16-2002, 03:05 AM	#25
GrassHoppa Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 53	Yeah, I agree. This discussion is really for another set of forums but still. I think we can all say that it was an unfortunate accident and that no one is happy it happened. If that's true that they did drop the bomb by breaking the rules of engagement then they can't just say "Ooops! Oh well, it's ok! We're at war and so it ok we just bombed some friendlies!". That would just be negligent and down right irresponsible. As for the big ceremony for them, I think it was justified. It's not like they were KIA, it was an accident. These guys had family. Again, it's an unfortunate situation. Anyway, the real reason I started this post was so people could vent about 911.

09-16-2002, 10:03 PM	#26
Don Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Posts: 56	Sorry guys, I am a professional military pilot and I appologize. however, it is war and incidents do happen. I remember in the Gulf war, we Canadians almost shot down an American marine F-18 after he egressed from Kuwait at about 0030 hrs one morning(you didn't read about that one did you). It erkes me that we will place our soldiers up on high for the public only when it suits the government and the press. Enough said.

09-17-2002, 01:38 AM	#27
oddbawl Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hamilton, Ont. Canada Posts: 52	Fair enough. So, how about those Garands...

09-17-2002, 11:22 PM	#28
Don Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Posts: 56	Love them, I've only got one that came out of the Danish stocks that arrived in Canada about three years ago. $177 and you can't go wrong. Had it our to the range again and d*mn it still shoots straight. I can't wait till hunting season.

09-18-2002, 08:37 PM	#31
Rick the Librarian Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NW Washington Posts: 218	....if it wasn't for the silly little rule about taking them through customs!