Old 08-17-2008, 12:27 PM   #1
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BAR mags on M1

A friend of mine may be interested in converting an M1 to use BAR magazines. I don't approve, but I have to ask. Does anyone know who can do it, how much just the conversion will cost, and does it work reliably?
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Old 08-17-2008, 12:33 PM   #2
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Tell your friend to leave the Garand alone and buy an M1A or something else that is Magazine fed....
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Old 08-17-2008, 12:37 PM   #3
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I, personally, am lost on the why of the effort

but will tell you what appear to be doable engineering/design changes often are quite involved and expensive.

I feel this type project will involve more up front money and time than you would ever gain from the project. You already get 8 rounds with the original clip and surely if you cannot hit the target with 8 rounds of .30-06 additional rounds will not help.

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but will tell you what appear to be doable engineering/design changes often are quite involved and expensive.

I feel this type project will involve more up front money and time than you would ever gain from the project. You already get 8 rounds with the original clip and surely if you cannot hit the target with 8 rounds of .30-06 an additional two rounds will not help. Note the BAR clip is not a large capacity clip.
Original BAR mags hold 20 rounds...
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Old 08-17-2008, 03:44 PM   #5
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Sounds like he wants to re-invent the BM-59. Might be easier (and cheaper) just to buy one of those

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Old 08-17-2008, 05:00 PM   #6
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A fellow named Bland did these conversions some years ago. He gave them up as a bad job because the BAR mag just isn't compatible with the Garand's operating cycle. Even John Garand had to go to a different magazine when developing his T20E2 for the invasion of Japan.

However, conversions to .308 with M14 magazines are reputed to work. Bland also did these conversions. I happen to have one, though I have not had the occasion to shoot it.


However, by the time one pays for the machining work and fabricating the special new parts, one may be money ahead with an M14-type rifle.

One issue with BM 59s is that the magazines are not easy to get and cost about 2x M14 magazines.


Best, I suspect, is to leave the Garand a Garand.

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Old 08-17-2008, 10:59 PM   #7
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+1 What Walt said.
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Old 08-21-2008, 12:21 AM   #8
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Thanks for the info. You guys are great.
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:09 AM   #9
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De nada .

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Old 08-25-2008, 09:30 PM   #10
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Just buy an M1A. That's what I did. Also have an M1 though.
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:40 AM   #11
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Or, one of our Fulton ARmory M14s:



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Old 08-26-2008, 03:52 AM   #12
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Or, one of our Fulton ARmory M14s:



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I did and am delighted with it. I'm sure you'll remember it, special one-off British straight pull.
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Old 08-26-2008, 10:07 AM   #13
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I did and am delighted with it. I'm sure you'll remember it, special one-off British straight pull.
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Oh, my goodness, yes.

I'm very gratified that you are pleased.

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Old 08-26-2008, 12:33 PM   #14
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All good ideas, but his original plan was for the gun to cost less than or equal to an M1A.
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All good ideas, but his original plan was for the gun to cost less than or equal to an M1A.
Unless you happen to be a machinist with a mill & drill, even starting with SARCO's BM 59E parts kit ($595), you're not likely to get under the price of even an M1A.

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