CMP M1s

JimBob · 10-02-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Paper

Looking at them as you were typing..

Great minds think alike.

JimBob · 10-02-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by texnmidwest

Better safe than sorry. All it takes is one bad day......

What do you do if the head space isn't correct? Is there an easy way to change the head spacing?

Yep,find somebody with a bucket full of bolts.

Paper · 10-02-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JimBob

Yep,find somebody with a bucket full of bolts.

I had to read that 3 times before I finally figured out you weren't talking about fasteners..

Just emailed Midway my FFL to get any possible discounts..

Orlando · 10-02-2009, 04:45 PM

Not trying to start a arguement but when swapping bolts you also need a Go gauge as well as a No Go or Field Gauge
How will you detect a long bolt without a Go Gauge?

texnmidwest · 10-02-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Orlando

Not trying to start a arguement but when swapping bolts you also need a Go gauge as well as a No Go or Field Gauge
How will you detect a long bolt without a Go Gauge?

His feet hang off the end of the bed?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Paper · 10-02-2009, 04:55 PM

I planned on getting the set.. If I'm ordering, I'll cover my butt from both directions. And no Butt jokes, Tex.. I have photos, remember??

blu97 · 10-02-2009, 05:13 PM

Sorry Paper

I keep em the way they send em unless something is worn out, this one looks like a goody

Paper · 10-02-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blu97

Sorry Paper

I keep em the way they send em unless something is worn out, this one looks like a goody

No problem.. Just offering to make it more correct for the both of us.

JimBob · 10-02-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Paper

No problem.. Just offering to make it more correct for the both of us.

Register in on the CMP Forum.They have a traders forum.I've picked up most of the parts I need there.Someone is always wanting to trade parts to make a correct rifle.

Paper · 10-02-2009, 08:44 PM

I'm registered there, but never checked out the traders forum.. I'll have to look into it..

Thanks!!

JimBob · 10-02-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Orlando

Not trying to start a arguement but when swapping bolts you also need a Go gauge as well as a No Go or Field Gauge
How will you detect a long bolt without a Go Gauge?

No arguement here.I have all three and an issue field test bolt.But unless you are rebarreling a field guage will get you by.I took a rifle and six used bolts of various numbers and they all headspaced fine using all the gauges.You might develop issues with an unissued bolt as far as length is concerned but I haven't had any swapping used bolts.

JimBob · 10-02-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Paper

I'm registered there, but never checked out the traders forum.. I'll have to look into it..

Thanks!!

Biggest issue on parts swapping is getting the parkerizing color to match what you have.Otherwise it sticks out.

Paper · 10-02-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JimBob

Biggest issue on parts swapping is getting the parkerizing color to match what you have.Otherwise it sticks out.

That's for sure.. I've got Garands with silver, green and black park finishes..

aimit · 10-03-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JimBob

But unless you are rebarreling a field guage will get you by.I took a rifle and six used bolts of various numbers and they all headspaced fine using all the gauges.You might develop issues with an unissued bolt as far as length is concerned but I haven't had any swapping used bolts.

Just because YOU have not found any used bolts that are too long when swapping used barrels does not mean it does not happen. Basing your response on one rifle and six bolts is a pretty small sample. In swapping a lot more barrels and bolts than that I have found two used bolts that were too long to headspace in used barrels from other rifles. Orlando is right. You need a go and a field guage

JimBob · 10-03-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aimit

Just because YOU have not found any used bolts that are too long when swapping used barrels does not mean it does not happen. Basing your response on one rifle and six bolts is a pretty small sample. In swapping a lot more barrels and bolts than that I have found two used bolts that were too long to headspace in used barrels from other rifles. Orlando is right. You need a go and a field guage

If YOU had not edited my post,YOU will notice I said I had a full set of guages.YOU will also notice I was in agreement with what Orlando posted.YOU will also notice I related only an example of one rifle I had.I did not say YOU will have the same thing happen.I believe the CMP when checking rifles uses a field guage only,it has been discussed at length on the CMP forums many times.I also said I had not encountered,I,not YOU and not anyone else.Neither did I state it never happens.YOU stated in checking a LOT more barrels and bolts YOU had had two that wouldn't headspace.How many is "A LOT".What percentage of "A LOT" failed in percent checked as a statistical average.From YOUR post it sounds like YOU were checking used bolts on used barrels installed on another receiver.That has no bearing on the question asked originally about swapping out a bolt to make a rifle correct with the original barrel-receiver,it is an entirely different set of parameters.If YOU wish to make a point trying to show YOU are some kind of expert or belittle someone elses posting put the whole posting in the quote.

Paper · 10-03-2009, 01:24 PM

Guys..
Friendly gun site..

Aimit, No problem pointing things out, but finger pointing into the chest isn't tolerated. Chill and remember that we're not children and we won't be treated as such.. If you want to play hard ass, please play on another website..

AKA- Be nice, please??

Orlando · 10-03-2009, 03:20 PM

I think AIMIT was just trying to keep everyone safe and I see nothing wrong or degrading in his post
It was stated that unless changing barrels all you need is a Field gauge which is not true
It is possible to get a long bolt that will not headspace correctly when swapping bolts.
To be absolutly safe you need a Go and Field or I prefer No Go over the Field

JimBob · 10-03-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Orlando

I think AIMIT was just trying to keep everyone safe and I see nothing wrong or degrading in his post
It was stated that unless changing barrels all you need is a Field gauge which is not true
It is possible to get a long bolt that will not headspace correctly when swapping bolts.
To be absolutly safe you need a Go and Field or I prefer No Go over the Field

Actually I said "it will get you by"not"all you need".I also agreed with you.If I'm not mistaken if you have a long bolt it will not close on a Field or Go guage.But in the almost three score I've been on earth I've made mistakes and assumed something that was later shown to be wrong once or twice.

I do however dislike editing a post to suit your reply leaving out the gist of what the OP was trying to say.

How ever if you want to quote the post in it's entirety and point out the mistakes as they relate to the entire post that show I'm talking like a man with a paper a**hole have at it,I'm by no means all knowing and happy to have the misinformation pointed out.

A high percentage of the answers posted on the CMP forum as to what guage you need when swapping bolts on a rifle are answered by posters saying "all you need is a Field.I posted my answer based on that and personal experience from swapping bolts on rifles to make them correct as the OP was intending to do.

aimit · 10-03-2009, 04:03 PM

Sorry. I did not mean to ruffle anyone's feathers, but when JimBob says you only need a field guage to check different bolts on used barrels, I don't agree. These rifles were rebuilt with used parts and the bolts were headspaced during the rebuild. That does not mean that every other used bolt in existence will be loose enough to be safe. What if he buys a rifle from a private party and some time in the past a new barrel was installed and reamed to fit an extremly loose bolt. I did not think I was getting personal or pointing fingers, or being a hard ass. The people who know me from the other forums know that is not my nature. I was just responding to the quote and I edited it to show I was only responding to that particular part.

JimBob · 10-03-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by aimit

Sorry. I did not mean to ruffle anyone's feathers, but when JimBob says you only need a field guage to check different bolts on used barrels, I don't agree. These rifles were rebuilt with used parts and the bolts were headspaced during the rebuild. That does not mean that every other used bolt in existence will be loose enough to be safe. What if he buys a rifle from a private party and some time in the past a new barrel was installed and reamed to fit an extremly loose bolt. I did not think I was getting personal or pointing fingers, or being a hard ass. The people who know me from the other forums know that is not my nature. I was just responding to the quote and I edited it to show I was only responding to that particular part.

LOL That's why I have a NO GO,GO,and FIELD Guage and an ordnance field test bolt when I look at a rifle for purchase.Not everyone has the money for a full set of guages or wants to buy them for one time use.A field guage is better than nothing at all and in my personal opinion and mine only, a little better than putting pieces of tape on a cartridge head which is how this question on guages originally started.

10-02-2009, 04:55 PM	#46
Paper Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: IL/WI Border Posts: 1,911	I planned on getting the set.. If I'm ordering, I'll cover my butt from both directions. And no Butt jokes, Tex.. I have photos, remember?? __________________ I'm on vacation!!!

10-02-2009, 05:13 PM	#47
blu97 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 59	Cmp Sorry Paper I keep em the way they send em unless something is worn out, this one looks like a goody

10-02-2009, 08:44 PM	#50
Paper Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: IL/WI Border Posts: 1,911	I'm registered there, but never checked out the traders forum.. I'll have to look into it.. Thanks!! __________________ I'm on vacation!!!

10-03-2009, 01:24 PM	#56
Paper Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: IL/WI Border Posts: 1,911	Guys.. Friendly gun site.. Aimit, No problem pointing things out, but finger pointing into the chest isn't tolerated. Chill and remember that we're not children and we won't be treated as such.. If you want to play hard ass, please play on another website.. AKA- Be nice, please?? __________________ I'm on vacation!!!

10-02-2009, 04:45 PM	#44
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	Not trying to start a arguement but when swapping bolts you also need a Go gauge as well as a No Go or Field Gauge How will you detect a long bolt without a Go Gauge?

10-03-2009, 03:20 PM	#57
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,176	I think AIMIT was just trying to keep everyone safe and I see nothing wrong or degrading in his post It was stated that unless changing barrels all you need is a Field gauge which is not true It is possible to get a long bolt that will not headspace correctly when swapping bolts. To be absolutly safe you need a Go and Field or I prefer No Go over the Field

10-03-2009, 04:03 PM	#59
aimit Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 9	Sorry. I did not mean to ruffle anyone's feathers, but when JimBob says you only need a field guage to check different bolts on used barrels, I don't agree. These rifles were rebuilt with used parts and the bolts were headspaced during the rebuild. That does not mean that every other used bolt in existence will be loose enough to be safe. What if he buys a rifle from a private party and some time in the past a new barrel was installed and reamed to fit an extremly loose bolt. I did not think I was getting personal or pointing fingers, or being a hard ass. The people who know me from the other forums know that is not my nature. I was just responding to the quote and I edited it to show I was only responding to that particular part.