New member to the family and rare. {Pic's}

Stock Doc · 01-23-2003, 06:49 PM

Well the hunt begins for parts again. I just received the Winchester on the right. The neat thing is the 7th round modification was never done to it. There is a possibility that the early ones for instance the first couple hundred were made like this and all put in a bin. At a later date this one was dragged out and stamped with a later number. Just a theory but it sounds like a good one. Remember Winchester started at 100000 making these two # 434 and # 1660. I have gotten teh Winny bug and scared it will never go away hehehe. Thought some may enjoy this as I have only seen two Winchester's with no 7th round modification and this being one of them. Also they were known for a light stamp early on with the outside being deeper and middle area very lightly struck. Rick B

Rick the Librarian · 01-24-2003, 08:59 AM

Any other Winchester parts or just the receiver? Might be an expensive addiction! Winchester parts are pretty dear these days.

Stock Doc · 01-24-2003, 09:49 AM

Just the receiver Rick. I have some of the parts on hand and have completed the Educational order next to it. Money is harder than finding the parts hahaha. I have faith in getting it up to par and also work for parts hehehehe. Heck I'm a gluten for punishment as I am working on 9989 still. That's harder to complete than any Winchester since the gas cylinder and barrel are pretty much non existent. Rick

whirlwind · 01-25-2003, 11:48 PM

ok guys....call me stupid but what is the "seventh round modification" yall are talking about? ive heard it before here and on other sites but dang if i know what it is? id like to check my garand and see if it has it? thanks guys have a great day!!

Stock Doc · 01-26-2003, 10:06 AM

The 7th round modification was normally on the Springfield's and really not known to be on Winchester's. They thought the indent as seen in the second photo above compared to the first one below that is built up later at rebuild was a cause for the Garand to stop after firing 6 or 7 rounds. The drilling process for the barrel threads was how this indented guide ribs were done. Later they either modified the end of the bit or didn't drill as far in leaving the ribs squared at top and not angled or slopped. If you look at the photos below you will see the built up guide ribs and above there slopped. If you have a later Garand you will see the ribs were not touched. Let me know if there are any other questions as this is why the forum is here. Thanks,,Rick B

whirlwind · 01-26-2003, 10:33 AM

thanks doc!! my springfield is identical to the garand in your pics. thanks again for the info!!!

DaveTinNY · 01-28-2003, 06:53 AM

Nice Winchester, Rick! I may need to get my hands on one some day.
Can't wait for warmer weather so I can go shooting with my dad.

01-23-2003, 06:49 PM	#1
Stock Doc Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Middle Ohio I see water Posts: 844	New member to the family and rare. {Pic's} Well the hunt begins for parts again. I just received the Winchester on the right. The neat thing is the 7th round modification was never done to it. There is a possibility that the early ones for instance the first couple hundred were made like this and all put in a bin. At a later date this one was dragged out and stamped with a later number. Just a theory but it sounds like a good one. Remember Winchester started at 100000 making these two # 434 and # 1660. I have gotten teh Winny bug and scared it will never go away hehehe. Thought some may enjoy this as I have only seen two Winchester's with no 7th round modification and this being one of them. Also they were known for a light stamp early on with the outside being deeper and middle area very lightly struck. Rick B __________________ If I cant fix it,, It must REALLY be broken! Last edited by Stock Doc; 01-23-2003 at 08:50 PM.

01-24-2003, 09:49 AM	#3
Stock Doc Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Middle Ohio I see water Posts: 844	Just the receiver Rick. I have some of the parts on hand and have completed the Educational order next to it. Money is harder than finding the parts hahaha. I have faith in getting it up to par and also work for parts hehehehe. Heck I'm a gluten for punishment as I am working on 9989 still. That's harder to complete than any Winchester since the gas cylinder and barrel are pretty much non existent. Rick __________________ If I cant fix it,, It must REALLY be broken!

01-26-2003, 10:06 AM	#5
Stock Doc Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Middle Ohio I see water Posts: 844	The 7th round modification was normally on the Springfield's and really not known to be on Winchester's. They thought the indent as seen in the second photo above compared to the first one below that is built up later at rebuild was a cause for the Garand to stop after firing 6 or 7 rounds. The drilling process for the barrel threads was how this indented guide ribs were done. Later they either modified the end of the bit or didn't drill as far in leaving the ribs squared at top and not angled or slopped. If you look at the photos below you will see the built up guide ribs and above there slopped. If you have a later Garand you will see the ribs were not touched. Let me know if there are any other questions as this is why the forum is here. Thanks,,Rick B __________________ If I cant fix it,, It must REALLY be broken! Last edited by Stock Doc; 01-26-2003 at 10:13 AM.

01-28-2003, 06:53 AM	#7
DaveTinNY Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast NY Posts: 75	Nice Winchester, Rick! I may need to get my hands on one some day. Can't wait for warmer weather so I can go shooting with my dad. __________________ Platoon Sgt. Daniel H. Tremper KIA, hedgerow fighting, 7 JUL 1944 Vire, France

01-24-2003, 08:59 AM	#2
Rick the Librarian Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NW Washington Posts: 218	Any other Winchester parts or just the receiver? Might be an expensive addiction! Winchester parts are pretty dear these days.

01-25-2003, 11:48 PM	#4
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,751 Images: 1	ok guys....call me stupid but what is the "seventh round modification" yall are talking about? ive heard it before here and on other sites but dang if i know what it is? id like to check my garand and see if it has it? thanks guys have a great day!!

01-26-2003, 10:33 AM	#6
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,751 Images: 1	thanks doc!! my springfield is identical to the garand in your pics. thanks again for the info!!!