Uwwww Smith & Wesson Scandium framed commander sized 1911a1

Dennis · 11-10-2004, 07:49 PM

Smith & Wesson has finished its original contract with Kimber (they supply the rough forgings)
Smith & Wesson is now making many new 1911a1 pistols
the new line has some Wayyy cool models
I held the new Scandium .45 today
lighter than aluminum Wayyy stronger
that is a cool pistol
is there a possible scandium/titanium 1911a1 in the future?
Looks like only a matter of time.
We will see how that handles the recoil.
there will need to be some sort of mecanism that slows the lightened slide down during the rearward movement of the cycle.
Mmmm
its a solvable problem.

a 14 (or so) ounce .45 auto ?

may be possible

if it holds together.

These are great days we are living Bros!

11-10-2004, 08:40 PM

but how much will it cost ?

TULAver · 11-11-2004, 06:58 AM

Scandium? Scandium is a really soft metal. Maybe it's a Scandium/Aluminum amalgam, like they use in baseball bats and some bike frames. I was always wary of Scandium containing bats, because of where it comes from. In and of itself, from what I know of it, it's not any stronger than Aluminum, and again nowhere NEAR the strength of steel or Titanium.

They get it as a byproduct of refining Uranium. I'd invest in a geiger counter if I was interested in the prospect. You know, free radicals and all.

I smell a new gimmick metal.

whirlwind · 11-12-2004, 11:57 PM

i just got my new s&w catalog in the mail.model SW1911Sc price...$1,029.00

Dennis · 12-04-2004, 02:53 AM

Scandium is a rare element originally found in scandaniavian countrys when a small amount of scandium is added to aluminum it completly changes the crystallin structure of aluminum making the wearing charistics completly different.
As I undersand it a scandium framed gun will last many many times longer and be stronger than a aluminum.
We will see how it works out.
I used to be real crotchety about new materials in firearms
but then I bought a glock and loved it.
(back in the eightys)
so ya gotta believe that there is something new out there that is worth while.
because there are new things coming up all the time.
Scandium is just one
Titanium is another
Titanium has been around for a long time it just was never cheap enough to make guns out of.
now that there is a whole bunch people that have a whole bunch of titanium and know how to make titanium in to complicated forged and machined parts, why not?
In the future there are going to be Titanium consumer products that we cant imagine right now.
Titanium motorcycles,
how about a full sized Harley Davidson that weighs 200 pounds?
pretty cool huh?
may be possible.
or a racing quad that weighs 90 lbs
the list goes on and on.
New stuff is cool...................

12-20-2004, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whirlwind

i just got my new s&w catalog in the mail.model SW1911Sc price...$1,029.00

take me a couple months to save that up

12-20-2004, 06:17 AM

Notable characteristics

Scandium is a rare, soft, silvery, trivalent, very light metallic element that develops a slightly yellowish or pinkish cast when exposed to air. This element resembles yttrium and rare earth metals more than it resembles aluminium or titanium (which are closer on the periodic table). The most common oxidation state of scandium is +3 and this metal is not attacked by a 1:1 mixture of HNO3 and 48% HF.
[edit]

Applications

Approximately 20 kg of scandium (as Sc2O3) are used annually in the United States to make high-intensity lights. The radioactive isotope Sc-46 is used in oil refinery crackers as a tracing agent. When scandium iodide is added to mercury vapor lamps a highly efficient artificial sunlight-like light source is produced which is used in indoor or night-time color televisions. Approximately 80 kg of scandium is used in lightbulbs globally per year. The main usage by volume is in aluminium-scandium alloys for sporting goods (bikes, baseball bats, etc.) When added to aluminium, it can produce improvements in strength, ductility, aging response and grain refinement through the formation of the Al3Sc phase. Furthermore, it has been shown to reduce solidification cracking during the welding of high strength Al alloys. Sc is thus finding applications in the aerospace and sports equipment industries which rely of high performance Al alloys.
[edit]

History

Scandium (Latin Scandia meaning "Scandinavia") was discovered by Lars Fredrick Nilson in 1879 while he and his team were looking for rare earth metals. Nilson used spectrum analysis to find the new element within the minerals euxenite and gadolinite. To isolate the element he processed 10 kilograms of euxenite with other rare-earth residues to obtain about 2 grams of very pure scandium oxide (Sc2O3).

Dmitri Mendeleev, in 1869, predicted the existence and some properties of this element, which he called ekaboron, using his periodic law. Per Teodor Cleve discovered scandium oxide at about the same time as Nilson but unlike Nilson, Cleve determined that scandium was identical to ekaboron.

In 1937 metallic scandium was prepared for the first time by electrolysis of a eutectic melt of potassium, lithium, and scandium chlorides at 700 to 800° C. Tungsten wire in a pool of liquid zinc were the electrodes in a graphite crucible. The first pound of 99% pure scandium metal wasn't produced until 1960.
[edit]

Occurrence

Rare minerals from Scandinavia and Malagasy such as thortveitite, euxenite and gadolinite are the only known concentrated sources of this element (which is never found as a free metal).

Element 21 is the 23rd most abundant element in the sun and similar stars but on earth it is only the 50th most abundant element. Scandium is distributed widely on earth, occurring in trace quantities in over 800 minerals. The blue color of the aquamarine variety of beryl is thought to be caused by scandium. It is an important part of the rare mineral thortveitite and is found in residues that remain after tungsten is extracted from Zinnwald wolframite.

Thortveitite is the primary source of scandium with uranium mill tailings by-products also being an important source. Pure scandium is commercially produced by reducing scandium fluoride with calcium metal.

The main source source of scandium is from military stockpiles from the former Soviet Union, which were themselves extracted from uranium tailings. There is no primary production in the Americas or Europe.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandium

12-20-2004, 06:25 AM

Atomic Number: 21
Atomic Symbol: Sc
Atomic Weight: 44.9559
Electron Configuration: [Ar]4s23d1
History

(L. Scandia, Scandinavia) On the basis of the Periodic System, Mendeleev predicted the existence of ekaboron, which would have an atomic weight between 40 of calcium and 48 of titanium.

The element was discovered by Nilson in 1878 in the minerals euxenite and gadolinite, which had not yet been found anywhere except in Scandinavia. By processing 10 kg of euxenite and other residues of rare-earth minerals, Nilson was able to prepare about 2g of highly pure scandium oxide. Later scientists pointed out that Nilson's scandium was identical with Mendeleev's ekaboron.
Sources

Element DisplaysScandium is apparently much more abundant (the 23rd most) in the sun and certain stars than on earth (the 50th most abundant). It is widely distributed on earth, occurring in very minute quantities in over 800 mineral species. The blue color of beryl (aquamarine variety) is said to be due to scandium. It occurs as a principal component in the rare mineral thortveitite, found in Scandinavia and Malagasy. It is also found in the residues remaining after the extraction of tungsten from Zinnwald wolframite, and in wiikite and bazzite.

Most scandium is presently being recovered from thortveitite or is extracted as a by-product from uranium mill tailings. Metallic scandium was first prepared in 1937 by Fischer, Brunger, and Grienelaus who electrolyzed a eutectic melt of potassium, lithium, and scandium chlorides at 700 to 800oC. Tungsten wire and a pool of molten zinc served as the electrodes in a graphite crucible. Pure scandium is now produced by reducing scandium fluoride with calcium metal.

The production of the first pound of 99% pure scandium metal was announced in 1960.
Properties

Scandium is a silver-white metal which develops a slightly yellowish or pinkish cast upon exposure to air. A relatively soft element, scandium resembles yttrium and the rare-earth metals more than it resembles aluminum or titanium.

It is a very light metal and has a much higher melting point than aluminum, making it of interest to designers of spacecraft. Scandium is not attacked by a 1:1 mixture of HNO3 and 48% HF.
Costs

Scandium oxide costs about $75/g.
Uses

About 20 kg of scandium (as Sc2O3) are now being used yearly in the U.S. to produce high-intensity lights, and the radioactive isotope 46Sc is used as a tracing agent in refinery crackers for crude oil, etc.

Scandium iodide added to mercury vapor lamps produces a highly efficient light source resembling sunlight, which is important for indoor or night-time color TV.
Handling

Little is yet known about the toxicity of scandium; therefore it should be handled with care.

from http://www.radiochemistry.org/period...ements/21.html

G Hollingsworth · 12-20-2004, 07:50 AM

I like the word "gimmick" One of the few times I don't have a opinion, but they use plastics so I would GUESS it may be ok

toolman · 12-24-2004, 06:05 PM

S&W has been making Scandium framed guns for years with no apparent drawbacks other than increased felt recoil.

hoosierdaddy · 12-26-2004, 09:52 AM

S&W 1911SC cost $759 at my local shop. Plainfield Shooting Supplies in Plainfield, IN. I held one and seriously thought about it but bought a Dan Wesson PM7 SC 10MM instead.

11-10-2004, 07:49 PM	#1
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	Uwwww Smith & Wesson Scandium framed commander sized 1911a1 Smith & Wesson has finished its original contract with Kimber (they supply the rough forgings) Smith & Wesson is now making many new 1911a1 pistols the new line has some Wayyy cool models I held the new Scandium .45 today lighter than aluminum Wayyy stronger that is a cool pistol is there a possible scandium/titanium 1911a1 in the future? Looks like only a matter of time. We will see how that handles the recoil. there will need to be some sort of mecanism that slows the lightened slide down during the rearward movement of the cycle. Mmmm its a solvable problem. a 14 (or so) ounce .45 auto ? may be possible if it holds together. These are great days we are living Bros! __________________ Submitted with respect to all Last edited by Dennis; 11-10-2004 at 07:54 PM.

11-10-2004, 08:40 PM	#2
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	sounds awesome ! but how much will it cost ?

11-11-2004, 06:58 AM	#3
TULAver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 372	Scandium? Scandium is a really soft metal. Maybe it's a Scandium/Aluminum amalgam, like they use in baseball bats and some bike frames. I was always wary of Scandium containing bats, because of where it comes from. In and of itself, from what I know of it, it's not any stronger than Aluminum, and again nowhere NEAR the strength of steel or Titanium. They get it as a byproduct of refining Uranium. I'd invest in a geiger counter if I was interested in the prospect. You know, free radicals and all. I smell a new gimmick metal. __________________ It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that any people you meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

11-12-2004, 11:57 PM	#4
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,739 Images: 1	i just got my new s&w catalog in the mail.model SW1911Sc price...$1,029.00 __________________ De oppresso liber !

12-04-2004, 02:53 AM	#5
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,877	Scandium is a rare element originally found in scandaniavian countrys when a small amount of scandium is added to aluminum it completly changes the crystallin structure of aluminum making the wearing charistics completly different. As I undersand it a scandium framed gun will last many many times longer and be stronger than a aluminum. We will see how it works out. I used to be real crotchety about new materials in firearms but then I bought a glock and loved it. (back in the eightys) so ya gotta believe that there is something new out there that is worth while. because there are new things coming up all the time. Scandium is just one Titanium is another Titanium has been around for a long time it just was never cheap enough to make guns out of. now that there is a whole bunch people that have a whole bunch of titanium and know how to make titanium in to complicated forged and machined parts, why not? In the future there are going to be Titanium consumer products that we cant imagine right now. Titanium motorcycles, how about a full sized Harley Davidson that weighs 200 pounds? pretty cool huh? may be possible. or a racing quad that weighs 90 lbs the list goes on and on. New stuff is cool................... __________________ Submitted with respect to all

12-20-2004, 06:17 AM	#7
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	Notable characteristics Scandium is a rare, soft, silvery, trivalent, very light metallic element that develops a slightly yellowish or pinkish cast when exposed to air. This element resembles yttrium and rare earth metals more than it resembles aluminium or titanium (which are closer on the periodic table). The most common oxidation state of scandium is +3 and this metal is not attacked by a 1:1 mixture of HNO3 and 48% HF. [edit] Applications Approximately 20 kg of scandium (as Sc2O3) are used annually in the United States to make high-intensity lights. The radioactive isotope Sc-46 is used in oil refinery crackers as a tracing agent. When scandium iodide is added to mercury vapor lamps a highly efficient artificial sunlight-like light source is produced which is used in indoor or night-time color televisions. Approximately 80 kg of scandium is used in lightbulbs globally per year. The main usage by volume is in aluminium-scandium alloys for sporting goods (bikes, baseball bats, etc.) When added to aluminium, it can produce improvements in strength, ductility, aging response and grain refinement through the formation of the Al3Sc phase. Furthermore, it has been shown to reduce solidification cracking during the welding of high strength Al alloys. Sc is thus finding applications in the aerospace and sports equipment industries which rely of high performance Al alloys. [edit] History Scandium (Latin Scandia meaning "Scandinavia") was discovered by Lars Fredrick Nilson in 1879 while he and his team were looking for rare earth metals. Nilson used spectrum analysis to find the new element within the minerals euxenite and gadolinite. To isolate the element he processed 10 kilograms of euxenite with other rare-earth residues to obtain about 2 grams of very pure scandium oxide (Sc2O3). Dmitri Mendeleev, in 1869, predicted the existence and some properties of this element, which he called ekaboron, using his periodic law. Per Teodor Cleve discovered scandium oxide at about the same time as Nilson but unlike Nilson, Cleve determined that scandium was identical to ekaboron. In 1937 metallic scandium was prepared for the first time by electrolysis of a eutectic melt of potassium, lithium, and scandium chlorides at 700 to 800° C. Tungsten wire in a pool of liquid zinc were the electrodes in a graphite crucible. The first pound of 99% pure scandium metal wasn't produced until 1960. [edit] Occurrence Rare minerals from Scandinavia and Malagasy such as thortveitite, euxenite and gadolinite are the only known concentrated sources of this element (which is never found as a free metal). Element 21 is the 23rd most abundant element in the sun and similar stars but on earth it is only the 50th most abundant element. Scandium is distributed widely on earth, occurring in trace quantities in over 800 minerals. The blue color of the aquamarine variety of beryl is thought to be caused by scandium. It is an important part of the rare mineral thortveitite and is found in residues that remain after tungsten is extracted from Zinnwald wolframite. Thortveitite is the primary source of scandium with uranium mill tailings by-products also being an important source. Pure scandium is commercially produced by reducing scandium fluoride with calcium metal. The main source source of scandium is from military stockpiles from the former Soviet Union, which were themselves extracted from uranium tailings. There is no primary production in the Americas or Europe. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandium

12-20-2004, 06:25 AM	#8
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	Atomic Number: 21 Atomic Symbol: Sc Atomic Weight: 44.9559 Electron Configuration: [Ar]4s23d1 History (L. Scandia, Scandinavia) On the basis of the Periodic System, Mendeleev predicted the existence of ekaboron, which would have an atomic weight between 40 of calcium and 48 of titanium. The element was discovered by Nilson in 1878 in the minerals euxenite and gadolinite, which had not yet been found anywhere except in Scandinavia. By processing 10 kg of euxenite and other residues of rare-earth minerals, Nilson was able to prepare about 2g of highly pure scandium oxide. Later scientists pointed out that Nilson's scandium was identical with Mendeleev's ekaboron. Sources Element DisplaysScandium is apparently much more abundant (the 23rd most) in the sun and certain stars than on earth (the 50th most abundant). It is widely distributed on earth, occurring in very minute quantities in over 800 mineral species. The blue color of beryl (aquamarine variety) is said to be due to scandium. It occurs as a principal component in the rare mineral thortveitite, found in Scandinavia and Malagasy. It is also found in the residues remaining after the extraction of tungsten from Zinnwald wolframite, and in wiikite and bazzite. Most scandium is presently being recovered from thortveitite or is extracted as a by-product from uranium mill tailings. Metallic scandium was first prepared in 1937 by Fischer, Brunger, and Grienelaus who electrolyzed a eutectic melt of potassium, lithium, and scandium chlorides at 700 to 800oC. Tungsten wire and a pool of molten zinc served as the electrodes in a graphite crucible. Pure scandium is now produced by reducing scandium fluoride with calcium metal. The production of the first pound of 99% pure scandium metal was announced in 1960. Properties Scandium is a silver-white metal which develops a slightly yellowish or pinkish cast upon exposure to air. A relatively soft element, scandium resembles yttrium and the rare-earth metals more than it resembles aluminum or titanium. It is a very light metal and has a much higher melting point than aluminum, making it of interest to designers of spacecraft. Scandium is not attacked by a 1:1 mixture of HNO3 and 48% HF. Costs Scandium oxide costs about $75/g. Uses About 20 kg of scandium (as Sc2O3) are now being used yearly in the U.S. to produce high-intensity lights, and the radioactive isotope 46Sc is used as a tracing agent in refinery crackers for crude oil, etc. Scandium iodide added to mercury vapor lamps produces a highly efficient light source resembling sunlight, which is important for indoor or night-time color TV. Handling Little is yet known about the toxicity of scandium; therefore it should be handled with care. from http://www.radiochemistry.org/period...ements/21.html

12-20-2004, 07:50 AM	#9
G Hollingsworth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 227	I like the word "gimmick" One of the few times I don't have a opinion, but they use plastics so I would GUESS it may be ok

12-24-2004, 06:05 PM	#10
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,601 Blog Entries: 22	S&W has been making Scandium framed guns for years with no apparent drawbacks other than increased felt recoil. __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!

12-26-2004, 09:52 AM	#11
hoosierdaddy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Indy Posts: 9	S&W 1911SC cost $759 at my local shop. Plainfield Shooting Supplies in Plainfield, IN. I held one and seriously thought about it but bought a Dan Wesson PM7 SC 10MM instead.