Gold Cup National Match

03-02-2005, 05:14 PM

http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aastpistolofCb.htm

I never could get my Series 70 so I consoled myself by ordering a stainless Colt Gold Cup National Match 1911A1...anybody familiar with these ?

gunssb · 03-02-2005, 05:40 PM

no, but I've heard they're pretty nice. LD you're getting to be a gun whore. You just got that sig right ? keep it up :right:

Big Dog · 03-02-2005, 05:46 PM

We want some Gun Porn - show some pics or we kick ya off the site . . .

Well, not really, but NARJoe and I will be pouting.

Congrats!! :ballons:

03-02-2005, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunssb

no, but I've heard they're pretty nice. LD you're getting to be a gun whore. You just got that sig right ? keep it up :right:

the Sig 229 .40 is on it's way..I got a Sig 226 9mm a little over 2 weeks ago

now I need to save up for a G-3

Gyrene · 03-02-2005, 08:38 PM

LD - I don't have a Stainless Gold Cup, but I do have a blued one. I haven't fired it yet, but other Gold Cups that I have shot including the Stainless and blued ones, are very accurate, and fault free. The slide is tight with no looseness and it is so smooth, that I think is what the word "Smooth" was coined to describe!

Not to put them down, but a friend of mine that buys anything he wants whenever he wants (don't you hate guys like that?), has at least 6 Gold Cups, and they all shoot very well.

The story continues: he shot another guys' Ballester Molina (a 1911A1 lookalike, but it is slightly bigger and heavier), and was flabbergasted (yup, that is a real word) that it shot as well as his Gold Cups! He ordered one as soon as he could get his FFL guy on the cellular phone. When it arrived, he brought it to the range, and it was as accurate as the other one he shot. He liked it so well, he bought 3 more of them, and they all shoot the same.

I saw my chance to get one of his Gold Cups, and asked if he was going to sell one. He looked over his glasses frowned and then grinned. He said, "Why would I?"

I found a blued one a year later. One day I will get a Ballester Molina, too!

`

03-02-2005, 10:04 PM

I have the weird idea that 1911A1 pistols ought to be made in the USA

Gyrene · 03-02-2005, 10:34 PM

LD - I don't really disagree with that, however when you see a very good Argentina manufactured 1911A1 Lookalike (Ballester-Molina) and an excellent also Argentina manufactured 1911A1 Sistema Colt Model 1927 (Licensed by Colt), it is very difficult to just ignore them.

The Sistema Colt parts are interchangeable with USA Colt Manufactured parts, and I believe only the magazine of the Ballester-Molina is interchangeable.

I only bring them up because they are excellent quality, generally very cheap, and for somebody who likes the 1911A1, and can't really afford the price of the ticket of a really good USA manufactured 1911A1, these are excellent, and I would take either of them over some of the recent Foreign made 1911A1 lookalikes. I even question some of the ones that claim to be 100% made in the USA, as I believe many of them get their frames and slides from the Pillippines or Brazil, where the quality of their steel is always in Question (some can't be properly heat treated, they are not properly hardenable, not dangerous). The parts are too soft and tend to wear out far too fast.

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lefty o · 03-02-2005, 11:41 PM

if you just desire to have your colt remain box stock, then you got a decent pistol. if you want to modify your 1911, then a plain gun would have been a better purchase.

Gyrene · 03-03-2005, 12:54 AM

lefty o - I tend to leave the rifles and pistols in the "Box Stock" configurations. For myself (not necessarily for anyone else), I find that I have far fewer problems with a "Box Stock" rifle or pistol.

Some I would never buy as I have seen them have to be returned to the manufacturer more than just a few times (often, the manufacturer doesn't do anything but hold it a few days or weeks, and then returns it to the buyer with nothing done to it, and one of them, very well known, is famously getting away with it, and getting top dollar for the pistol).

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lefty o · 03-03-2005, 12:58 AM

gyrene, i myself am a modifier- its in my nature. though i entirely understand your reasoning with stock guns. i do have a couple stockers too.

03-03-2005, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lefty o

if you just desire to have your colt remain box stock, then you got a decent pistol

I tend to leave sidearms stock..except for the grips..I have some smooth fake ivory from Ajax Grips that ought to enhance the look of this Colt :right: :target:

MAX7.62 · 03-03-2005, 11:27 AM

You know me LD, if you're adding a 1911 to the locker you are improving your collection! And remember, it ain't no piece of jewelry; take it out and beat the guts out of it, that's what they're made for! "New" 1911's of most any make actually shoot better after you get a hundred rounds or so through them.

Gyrene · 03-03-2005, 11:32 AM

lefty o & LD - Grips are a different matter. I don't feel I am modifying a pistol when I change the grips, because with a twist of a screwdriver (torx or whatever), it can be reversed. Usually I do not change them, but some just look better with different grips than come stock on them.

The Delta Elite 10mm I have looks like any other 1911A1 because I changed the grips to rosewood, from the standard Delta Elite grips.

03-03-2005, 06:09 PM

it is a beautiful pistol..marked Colt Gold Cup Trophy on the slide..the barrel is marked N.M. :right:

Made in the USA

03-03-2005, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Dog

We want some Gun Porn - show some pics or we kick ya off the site . . .

btw how do you attach pix nowadays ?

03-19-2005, 01:41 PM

$125 away from taking it home with me :right:

Gyrene · 03-20-2005, 01:22 AM

LD - I just came across a NORINCO Model 1911A1, and the price was so good I couldn't resist. The gun appears to have been shot a bit, but still looks as though it is 98% or better, with no flaws in the finish. I say no flaws in the finish, but that doesn't describe the metal finish before parkerizing.

The metal is not polished, but that is not bad, as a surface tends to hold oil a lot better when it is not highly polished (it looks as though it was designed for combat functionality). The slide is combat loose, not target tight, and the rest of the pistol seems snug, but not tight!

So I took it to shoot right away before I decided to get it. I took a variety of loads and bullets HP, Lead, and Ball, about 50 of each. Since I had never fired a NORINCO 1911A1, (I have several US built 1911A1's, as you have read) I chose 15 yards for my first attempts. I shot four 10's and then I let a couple of flyers go (I didn't know they were flyers at the time), and figured that it was going to give me a 4 to 5 inch group (CLUSTER). I kept shooting with a few of each in the variety, you know 7 Lead, then 7 Ball, then 7 Hollow Point, then 7 Lead, . . . and kept this up with a 10 minute break every 21 shots (3 mags full = 21) changing targets every 50 shots. The group at the end of the 150 shots, was no larger that 3 1/2 inches (except for the 2 flyers, out of 150 shots), which I think is pretty good for unsupported two hand shooting at 15 yards, using a handgun I had never fired before, and I had absolutely no failures.

If regular 1911A1 magazines will work in it, this may be what I shoot in our Modified PPC competition. If it will shoot like that consistently, I can see getting 600/600 pretty easily, and regularly, and this is with my nearing 70 year old eyes.

My problem now, is remember me writing about the Ballester-Molina and the Colt Sistema? Well, now I have to add one of each to my collection, because of this NORINCO 1911A1 (I had wanted to keep the collection to 1911 & 1911A1's that I know are really US Manufactured). I am almost as excited as I was when I got the Remington Rand 1911A1, as this NORINCO is a shooter!

Now for the 10 day wait! (Well, 9 more days, now!)

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gunssb · 03-20-2005, 01:31 AM

Gyrene it is good to see someone so experienced saying good things about a cheaper foreign made gun :nod: Usually the older guys poke fun at us younger ones but we can't afford the expensive fancy guns. Norinoco firearms are not manufactured by Chinese slave laborers and are quite decent guns. I just got a cheap Norinco Ithaca 37 clone - haven't shot it yet but the fit & finish is as good as any US gun.

03-20-2005, 03:14 AM

I could save myself some money by getting rid of the Cadillac and getting something smaller like my old Honda

but sometimes it ain't about money

try telling them bikers to trade them Harleys in on Hondas

it'd be about as productive

gunssb · 03-20-2005, 03:19 AM

true - but all I'm saying is that a cheap foreign gun is not necessarily inferior.

Well now Hondas and Harleys might not be the right comparison - in that case the Honda is most definitely a technologically superior machine

but you may not want one because of other reasons of course.

03-02-2005, 05:14 PM	#1
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	Gold Cup National Match http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aastpistolofCb.htm I never could get my Series 70 so I consoled myself by ordering a stainless Colt Gold Cup National Match 1911A1...anybody familiar with these ?

03-02-2005, 05:46 PM	#3
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03-02-2005, 08:38 PM	#5
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	LD - I don't have a Stainless Gold Cup, but I do have a blued one. I haven't fired it yet, but other Gold Cups that I have shot including the Stainless and blued ones, are very accurate, and fault free. The slide is tight with no looseness and it is so smooth, that I think is what the word "Smooth" was coined to describe! Not to put them down, but a friend of mine that buys anything he wants whenever he wants (don't you hate guys like that?), has at least 6 Gold Cups, and they all shoot very well. The story continues: he shot another guys' Ballester Molina (a 1911A1 lookalike, but it is slightly bigger and heavier), and was flabbergasted (yup, that is a real word) that it shot as well as his Gold Cups! He ordered one as soon as he could get his FFL guy on the cellular phone. When it arrived, he brought it to the range, and it was as accurate as the other one he shot. He liked it so well, he bought 3 more of them, and they all shoot the same. I saw my chance to get one of his Gold Cups, and asked if he was going to sell one. He looked over his glasses frowned and then grinned. He said, "Why would I?" I found a blued one a year later. One day I will get a Ballester Molina, too! ` Last edited by Gyrene; 03-03-2005 at 12:44 AM.

03-03-2005, 11:27 AM	#12
MAX7.62 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Classified Posts: 934	You know me LD, if you're adding a 1911 to the locker you are improving your collection! And remember, it ain't no piece of jewelry; take it out and beat the guts out of it, that's what they're made for! "New" 1911's of most any make actually shoot better after you get a hundred rounds or so through them. __________________ The Second Amendment, it ain't about DUCK HUNTING! I feel more like I do now that I did when I first got here!

03-20-2005, 01:22 AM	#17
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	LD - I just came across a NORINCO Model 1911A1, and the price was so good I couldn't resist. The gun appears to have been shot a bit, but still looks as though it is 98% or better, with no flaws in the finish. I say no flaws in the finish, but that doesn't describe the metal finish before parkerizing. The metal is not polished, but that is not bad, as a surface tends to hold oil a lot better when it is not highly polished (it looks as though it was designed for combat functionality). The slide is combat loose, not target tight, and the rest of the pistol seems snug, but not tight! So I took it to shoot right away before I decided to get it. I took a variety of loads and bullets HP, Lead, and Ball, about 50 of each. Since I had never fired a NORINCO 1911A1, (I have several US built 1911A1's, as you have read) I chose 15 yards for my first attempts. I shot four 10's and then I let a couple of flyers go (I didn't know they were flyers at the time), and figured that it was going to give me a 4 to 5 inch group (CLUSTER). I kept shooting with a few of each in the variety, you know 7 Lead, then 7 Ball, then 7 Hollow Point, then 7 Lead, . . . and kept this up with a 10 minute break every 21 shots (3 mags full = 21) changing targets every 50 shots. The group at the end of the 150 shots, was no larger that 3 1/2 inches (except for the 2 flyers, out of 150 shots), which I think is pretty good for unsupported two hand shooting at 15 yards, using a handgun I had never fired before, and I had absolutely no failures. If regular 1911A1 magazines will work in it, this may be what I shoot in our Modified PPC competition. If it will shoot like that consistently, I can see getting 600/600 pretty easily, and regularly, and this is with my nearing 70 year old eyes. My problem now, is remember me writing about the Ballester-Molina and the Colt Sistema? Well, now I have to add one of each to my collection, because of this NORINCO 1911A1 (I had wanted to keep the collection to 1911 & 1911A1's that I know are really US Manufactured). I am almost as excited as I was when I got the Remington Rand 1911A1, as this NORINCO is a shooter! Now for the 10 day wait! (Well, 9 more days, now!) ` Last edited by Gyrene; 03-20-2005 at 01:31 AM.

03-02-2005, 05:40 PM	#2
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	no, but I've heard they're pretty nice. LD you're getting to be a gun whore. You just got that sig right ? keep it up :right:

03-02-2005, 10:04 PM	#6
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I have the weird idea that 1911A1 pistols ought to be made in the USA

03-02-2005, 10:34 PM	#7
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	LD - I don't really disagree with that, however when you see a very good Argentina manufactured 1911A1 Lookalike (Ballester-Molina) and an excellent also Argentina manufactured 1911A1 Sistema Colt Model 1927 (Licensed by Colt), it is very difficult to just ignore them. The Sistema Colt parts are interchangeable with USA Colt Manufactured parts, and I believe only the magazine of the Ballester-Molina is interchangeable. I only bring them up because they are excellent quality, generally very cheap, and for somebody who likes the 1911A1, and can't really afford the price of the ticket of a really good USA manufactured 1911A1, these are excellent, and I would take either of them over some of the recent Foreign made 1911A1 lookalikes. I even question some of the ones that claim to be 100% made in the USA, as I believe many of them get their frames and slides from the Pillippines or Brazil, where the quality of their steel is always in Question (some can't be properly heat treated, they are not properly hardenable, not dangerous). The parts are too soft and tend to wear out far too fast. `

03-02-2005, 11:41 PM	#8
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,107	if you just desire to have your colt remain box stock, then you got a decent pistol. if you want to modify your 1911, then a plain gun would have been a better purchase.

03-03-2005, 12:54 AM	#9
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	lefty o - I tend to leave the rifles and pistols in the "Box Stock" configurations. For myself (not necessarily for anyone else), I find that I have far fewer problems with a "Box Stock" rifle or pistol. Some I would never buy as I have seen them have to be returned to the manufacturer more than just a few times (often, the manufacturer doesn't do anything but hold it a few days or weeks, and then returns it to the buyer with nothing done to it, and one of them, very well known, is famously getting away with it, and getting top dollar for the pistol). `

03-03-2005, 12:58 AM	#10
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,107	gyrene, i myself am a modifier- its in my nature. though i entirely understand your reasoning with stock guns. i do have a couple stockers too.

03-03-2005, 11:32 AM	#13
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	lefty o & LD - Grips are a different matter. I don't feel I am modifying a pistol when I change the grips, because with a twist of a screwdriver (torx or whatever), it can be reversed. Usually I do not change them, but some just look better with different grips than come stock on them. The Delta Elite 10mm I have looks like any other 1911A1 because I changed the grips to rosewood, from the standard Delta Elite grips.

03-03-2005, 06:09 PM	#14
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	it is a beautiful pistol..marked Colt Gold Cup Trophy on the slide..the barrel is marked N.M. :right: Made in the USA

03-19-2005, 01:41 PM	#16
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	$125 away from taking it home with me :right:

03-20-2005, 01:31 AM	#18
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	Gyrene it is good to see someone so experienced saying good things about a cheaper foreign made gun :nod: Usually the older guys poke fun at us younger ones but we can't afford the expensive fancy guns. Norinoco firearms are not manufactured by Chinese slave laborers and are quite decent guns. I just got a cheap Norinco Ithaca 37 clone - haven't shot it yet but the fit & finish is as good as any US gun.

03-20-2005, 03:14 AM	#19
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I could save myself some money by getting rid of the Cadillac and getting something smaller like my old Honda but sometimes it ain't about money try telling them bikers to trade them Harleys in on Hondas it'd be about as productive

03-20-2005, 03:19 AM	#20
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	true - but all I'm saying is that a cheap foreign gun is not necessarily inferior. Well now Hondas and Harleys might not be the right comparison - in that case the Honda is most definitely a technologically superior machine but you may not want one because of other reasons of course.