Mil Spec Interchangeability

BattleRifleG3 · 09-10-2002, 10:41 PM

Ok, so I see Ballester Molinas clones out there that I assume are not interchangeable at all with the standard 1911, and then there are the Llamas that look like the real thing and smell like it, but I've heard different things about their interchangeablity. So what is interchangeable? I'm looking for the lowest priced 1911 that will accept generally available replacement parts including a 400 Cor Bon conversion barrel. Appearance doesn't matter.

By the way, am I the only person who dislexified Ballester Molina into Molester Ballerina?

BattleRifleG3 · 09-10-2002, 11:02 PM

I just saw a "1911 Deluxe Model" in FAC's catalog for $260 dealer cost. Anyone know what in the world it is and where it fits into the array of things?

Also, I'm sure there are plenty of used 1911s out there, and I'd like to know which models would have what I want? Just in case someone's letting a $500 piece go for $250.

PAPA G · 09-11-2002, 01:00 AM

Rock Island armory clones should fill that category

bowser · 09-11-2002, 11:21 AM

Colt Sistemas are carbon copies built in Argentina. They are 100% interchangeable with the real Colt 1911, and you can find them for around 300 in good shape. JLD Enterprises had them last time I looked. If you can't find their site, their product list is linked to www.cruffler.com.

PAPA G · 09-11-2002, 12:48 PM

some colt parts interchange on the Molina's. barrels, recoil springs magazines, maybe some more. i have read good reports on them, and some accessorized for carry use. its probably one of the great bargains around.

BattleRifleG3 · 09-11-2002, 02:27 PM

The barrels on Molinas interchange? If the mags do as well, I think that may be the one. What about Llamas?

PAPA G · 09-11-2002, 04:10 PM

i think the only interchange on the LLama is the mags, don't know for sure. 1911forum.com is the place for all things 1911, and related 1911 types. peruse the other sites, and read what others think of the B-M.

boogalou · 09-20-2002, 03:13 PM

For Llama parts that interchange, check out this link - http://www.bersa-llama.com/cat_maxi45.html

The following parts on the B/M interchange with the 1911.

Barrel, mag, barrel bushing recoil spring, spring guide & plug.
The 1911 firing pin & spring can be modified to fit the Ballester.
The Ballester trigger and hammer group are of the Spanish Star design and totally different. The slide stop will not work either. The colt extractor could be made to work by a competant gunsmith but probably wouldn't be worth it.

BattleRifleG3 · 09-20-2002, 03:17 PM

Thanks, Boogalou, that really helps. Now I know what NOT to buy, and what to still consider. I'll be going to a gun show tommorrow so I'll be able to see what's out there and inspect a few specimens.

rhett · 09-20-2002, 06:20 PM

The BM's are great for the price. Had one in the 60's and have had another one since 1985. New sights and grips-my choice. Never a burp. Like the energizer bunny just keeps on going. I have a Colt and a Systema Colt and just got a RIA Compact .45
( Another good one for the price $370.00 out the door )
Regards,

Rhett

BattleRifleG3 · 09-20-2002, 06:23 PM

Right now I'm aiming for full size and $300. Gonna look at specimens tommorrow. It'll be a race between 1911 and Taurus/Beretta.

09-10-2002, 10:41 PM	#1
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681 Images: 13	Mil Spec Interchangeability Ok, so I see Ballester Molinas clones out there that I assume are not interchangeable at all with the standard 1911, and then there are the Llamas that look like the real thing and smell like it, but I've heard different things about their interchangeablity. So what is interchangeable? I'm looking for the lowest priced 1911 that will accept generally available replacement parts including a 400 Cor Bon conversion barrel. Appearance doesn't matter. By the way, am I the only person who dislexified Ballester Molina into Molester Ballerina?

09-10-2002, 11:02 PM	#2
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681 Images: 13	I just saw a "1911 Deluxe Model" in FAC's catalog for $260 dealer cost. Anyone know what in the world it is and where it fits into the array of things? Also, I'm sure there are plenty of used 1911s out there, and I'd like to know which models would have what I want? Just in case someone's letting a $500 piece go for $250. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

09-11-2002, 01:00 AM	#3
PAPA G Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 9,104	Rock Island armory clones should fill that category __________________ if it wasn't for the luck of the Irish, i'd have none at t'all. :lucky:

09-11-2002, 02:27 PM	#6
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681 Images: 13	The barrels on Molinas interchange? If the mags do as well, I think that may be the one. What about Llamas? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

09-20-2002, 03:17 PM	#9
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681 Images: 13	Thanks, Boogalou, that really helps. Now I know what NOT to buy, and what to still consider. I'll be going to a gun show tommorrow so I'll be able to see what's out there and inspect a few specimens. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

09-11-2002, 11:21 AM	#4
bowser Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 45	Colt Sistemas are carbon copies built in Argentina. They are 100% interchangeable with the real Colt 1911, and you can find them for around 300 in good shape. JLD Enterprises had them last time I looked. If you can't find their site, their product list is linked to www.cruffler.com.

09-11-2002, 12:48 PM	#5
PAPA G Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 9,104	some colt parts interchange on the Molina's. barrels, recoil springs magazines, maybe some more. i have read good reports on them, and some accessorized for carry use. its probably one of the great bargains around.

09-11-2002, 04:10 PM	#7
PAPA G Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 9,104	i think the only interchange on the LLama is the mags, don't know for sure. 1911forum.com is the place for all things 1911, and related 1911 types. peruse the other sites, and read what others think of the B-M.

09-20-2002, 03:13 PM	#8
boogalou Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 2	For Llama parts that interchange, check out this link - http://www.bersa-llama.com/cat_maxi45.html The following parts on the B/M interchange with the 1911. Barrel, mag, barrel bushing recoil spring, spring guide & plug. The 1911 firing pin & spring can be modified to fit the Ballester. The Ballester trigger and hammer group are of the Spanish Star design and totally different. The slide stop will not work either. The colt extractor could be made to work by a competant gunsmith but probably wouldn't be worth it.

09-20-2002, 06:20 PM	#10
rhett Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Georgia/USA Posts: 18	The BM's are great for the price. Had one in the 60's and have had another one since 1985. New sights and grips-my choice. Never a burp. Like the energizer bunny just keeps on going. I have a Colt and a Systema Colt and just got a RIA Compact .45 ( Another good one for the price $370.00 out the door ) Regards, Rhett

09-20-2002, 06:23 PM	#11
BattleRifleG3 Retired Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,681 Images: 13	Right now I'm aiming for full size and $300. Gonna look at specimens tommorrow. It'll be a race between 1911 and Taurus/Beretta. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf