A flaw of the 1911 could be fatal 4 you.

5shot · 08-22-2008, 09:13 PM

I am in the process of writing/rewriting an article on the 1911.

It has been met with severe criticism in some quarters, but that does not change the facts of the matter.

Here is a link to it: http://www.pointshooting.com/1911.htm

It has to do with CQ self defense, not target and range shooting.

Seven© · 08-22-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 5shot

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It has been met with severe criticism in some quarters, but that does not change the facts of the matter.

Naturally. Any time you challenge one of America's most beloved platforms, you will be met with criticism.

The gist I take from your article is your criticism of the 1911 is...

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Originally Posted by 5shot

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Basically, the method calls for placing the index finger along the side of the gun and using it to aim with, and pulling the trigger with the middle finger.

IMHO, that should never be done with any handgun. Period.

Welcome to G&G.

.22guy · 08-22-2008, 09:30 PM

That sounds like about the most un-natural way to hold a handgun that I've ever heard of.

Seven© · 08-22-2008, 09:40 PM

Placing your index finger on the side of any auto could cause it to malfunction. Not just a 1911.

Placing your index finger on the side of any revolver and this could happen:
http://www.auctionarms.com/help/foru...ubjectID=22431
^ DON'T CLICK THAT LINK IF YOU ARE SQUEAMISH

M14man · 08-22-2008, 09:41 PM

I tried it, and the gun points down....there is no way 'pointing' with my finger with the middle one in the trigger did anything but aim ridiculously low.

billy · 08-22-2008, 09:41 PM

good thing my index finger is on the trigger eh?

rl356 · 08-22-2008, 09:44 PM

Shooting a firearm in any situation, let alone a defensive one, in that manner just seems rediculous. It would be un-natural as .22guy stated, and I don't recall ever hearing about this in any formal defensive handgun training I've been through. And since the 1911 poses a problem for this particular grip, it has a design flaw? I think not.

Seven© · 08-22-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rl356

And since the 1911 poses a problem for this particular grip, it has a design flaw? I think not.

Exactly.

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billy · 08-22-2008, 10:04 PM

is this whole thread a joke?
because forgive me for saying ...
but that is one of the stupidest things i have read in a long time.

Seven© · 08-22-2008, 10:09 PM

Eh, dunno. I kinda took it the OP was wanting a flame war. Then again, I like jumping to conclusions. I'm good at that. I just close my eyes and let it do what it do.

rl356 · 08-22-2008, 10:09 PM

^+1 This seems like a joke

lunchbox99 · 08-22-2008, 10:14 PM

Why don't you just point the barrel instead of you finger? Hey pull my finger

oldjarhead · 08-22-2008, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rl356

Shooting a firearm in any situation, let alone a defensive one, in that manner just seems rediculous. It would be un-natural as .22guy stated, and I don't recall ever hearing about this in any formal defensive handgun training I've been through. And since the 1911 poses a problem for this particular grip, it has a design flaw? I think not.

Me thinks this would be nearly impossible with dueling pistols as stated. Most dueling pistols are side-lock and the shooter would most like get his index digit caught up in the lock. Ouch
Used to do this when I lost my Red Ryder pistol...I also hollered Bang! The louder the yell the bigger the bullet.
Seems like a joke thread to me.

Moss500Bantam · 08-22-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by billy

is this whole thread a joke?
because forgive me for saying ...
but that is one of the stupidest things i have read in a long time.

I said the same differently and had the post dissapear. Guess I should have had more restraint.

Big Dog · 08-23-2008, 03:11 AM

Sounds like someone totally misunderstanding the basic concept of 'point shooting'.........

FS00008 · 08-23-2008, 03:16 AM

Um.. I don't ever shoot like that. White nail polish eliminates any sort of visibility issue..

I don't think I could even get an aimed shot off while gripping like that...

Mooseman684 · 08-23-2008, 03:30 AM

Weird thing...My first post disappeared too !
I will repeat what I said...As a 1911 shooter, by design, the Index finger cannot ride on the takedown pin without also being in an un-natural position and if fired like that, the finger will be impacted by the slide. The Natural position is that the Index finger rides at the top of the trigger guard in the machined surface below the slide and below the pin. So you CAN point your
Index finger and you Can't fire with the middle finger without risking damage to your Index finger being hit by the slide. John Browning Knew what he was doing !
Rich

FS00008 · 08-23-2008, 03:38 AM

Yea Rich.. I just don't see how someone could actually aimed fire like that..

It just feels wrong...

Like holding the gun upside down and trying to aim+fire it that way or sideways "Gangsta" style...

nathangdad · 08-23-2008, 03:48 AM

Millions of people has safely fired the pistol without doing this strange thing concerning their finger.

The gun is what it is, and it is meant to be handled in a certain way.

You should practice with and get good with it in the way it is meant to be handled.

M14man · 08-23-2008, 10:21 AM

My post dis-appeared too, where I gave his theory the middle finger.

The poster never came back...

08-22-2008, 09:13 PM	#1
5shot Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8	A flaw of the 1911 could be fatal 4 you. I am in the process of writing/rewriting an article on the 1911. It has been met with severe criticism in some quarters, but that does not change the facts of the matter. Here is a link to it: http://www.pointshooting.com/1911.htm It has to do with CQ self defense, not target and range shooting.

08-22-2008, 09:30 PM	#3
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,221	That sounds like about the most un-natural way to hold a handgun that I've ever heard of. __________________ My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office.

08-22-2008, 09:40 PM	#4
Seven© Exalted Grand PooBah Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: WNC Posts: 1,828 Images: 23 Blog Entries: 2	Placing your index finger on the side of any auto could cause it to malfunction. Not just a 1911. Placing your index finger on the side of any revolver and this could happen: http://www.auctionarms.com/help/foru...ubjectID=22431 ^ DON'T CLICK THAT LINK IF YOU ARE SQUEAMISH __________________

08-22-2008, 09:41 PM	#6
billy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 19,730 Images: 10 Blog Entries: 161	good thing my index finger is on the trigger eh? __________________

08-22-2008, 10:04 PM	#9
billy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 19,730 Images: 10 Blog Entries: 161	is this whole thread a joke? because forgive me for saying ... but that is one of the stupidest things i have read in a long time. __________________

08-22-2008, 09:41 PM	#5
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 1,162 Images: 10	I tried it, and the gun points down....there is no way 'pointing' with my finger with the middle one in the trigger did anything but aim ridiculously low.

08-22-2008, 09:44 PM	#7
rl356 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: N.E. Ohio Posts: 398	Shooting a firearm in any situation, let alone a defensive one, in that manner just seems rediculous. It would be un-natural as .22guy stated, and I don't recall ever hearing about this in any formal defensive handgun training I've been through. And since the 1911 poses a problem for this particular grip, it has a design flaw? I think not.

08-22-2008, 10:09 PM	#10
Seven© Exalted Grand PooBah Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: WNC Posts: 1,828 Images: 23 Blog Entries: 2	Eh, dunno. I kinda took it the OP was wanting a flame war. Then again, I like jumping to conclusions. I'm good at that. I just close my eyes and let it do what it do. __________________

08-22-2008, 10:14 PM	#12
lunchbox99 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: washington Posts: 866	Why don't you just point the barrel instead of you finger? Hey pull my finger __________________ I need to buy 2 of each gun so they have a friend when I am not shooting them

08-23-2008, 03:11 AM	#15
Big Dog Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 12,912	Sounds like someone totally misunderstanding the basic concept of 'point shooting'......... __________________ "A bold spirit embiggens the smallest man!" Jebediah Springfield

08-23-2008, 03:16 AM	#16
FS00008 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,657 Blog Entries: 3	Um.. I don't ever shoot like that. White nail polish eliminates any sort of visibility issue.. I don't think I could even get an aimed shot off while gripping like that...

08-23-2008, 03:30 AM	#17
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Unit 13 Posts: 11,310 Images: 2	Weird thing...My first post disappeared too ! I will repeat what I said...As a 1911 shooter, by design, the Index finger cannot ride on the takedown pin without also being in an un-natural position and if fired like that, the finger will be impacted by the slide. The Natural position is that the Index finger rides at the top of the trigger guard in the machined surface below the slide and below the pin. So you CAN point your Index finger and you Can't fire with the middle finger without risking damage to your Index finger being hit by the slide. John Browning Knew what he was doing ! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

08-23-2008, 03:38 AM	#18
FS00008 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,657 Blog Entries: 3	Yea Rich.. I just don't see how someone could actually aimed fire like that.. It just feels wrong... Like holding the gun upside down and trying to aim+fire it that way or sideways "Gangsta" style...

08-23-2008, 03:48 AM	#19
nathangdad Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,170	How is this a flaw? I am lost. Millions of people has safely fired the pistol without doing this strange thing concerning their finger. The gun is what it is, and it is meant to be handled in a certain way. You should practice with and get good with it in the way it is meant to be handled.

08-23-2008, 10:21 AM	#20
M14man Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FLA Posts: 1,162 Images: 10	My post dis-appeared too, where I gave his theory the middle finger. The poster never came back...