well, now I know why I haven't seen any new 336 models since Christmas. Remington has done a complete overhaul of the gun. it is, well, in polite terms..... a FUBAR (F...ed Up Beyond All Recognition)
Just recieved some new 336 models in shipment yesterday, and when I opened the first box I felt ill.
new 336W, matte wood laminate stock (just like the 870 Express), matte finish also (ditto the express again), no more chrome bolt (its also blued, matte finish (ditto express))
if your a 336 fan, you may also feel a bit ill when you "try" to cycle the action. if you thought they were "sticky" before, after Remy took them over, they are much worse now. if they are like the ones I got in, dont put your fingers inside the loop to cycle, wrap your fingers around the outside of the loop. yea, it's that bad. guess they figure it will break in over time...
Remington has completely destroyed a fine firearm in my opinion....
now I have good reason to say, there is no way I'll ever part with my old 336 in 35 Rem. I can now honestly say "they don't make like this anymore"....
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bad part is the serial numbers are not consecutive, so it's not like a faulty production run. I got 6 of them and took one and degreased the bolt, then cycled it probably 2 to 3 dozen times before re-lubing it to try and get things lapped in. it did get better somewhat but still was harder to pop open than it should be and still tried to stick when wide open when racked hard. better, but still far from good. I just don't have time to do all the other 5 right now. Mondays are kind of slow in the morning so I had some time to fiddle with one of them. yea, they are going to be hard to sell if the buyer has ever used one of the older ones and knows how they should feel.
__________________ If I need more than 1 shot, I need more practice.
Good thing there are plenty of "pre-cross bolt" safety 336`s out there.
Not all are in good shape but still lots are. Gun Shows have a good cross section to choose from.
The guys that have owned old ones sure are feeling good about now. Me included.
First order of Biz should have been to Call Marlin/Remlin and REGISTER A COMPLAINT!!
Let us know what they do for your situation!!
thats on the agenda, but it most likely will be next week before I'll have time to sit on the phone with them. our Deer season opens in mid August, in like 3 weeks, and I'm buried in archery services, gun sales, and floor resets (these have exact dates when they must be completed) and right now I'm short staffed. hired 1 yesterday that passed the background check, but he needs training before he can get behind the gun counter,,,, but yes, Remmy will be hearing from me soon....
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thats on the agenda, but it most likely will be next week before I'll have time to sit on the phone with them. our Deer season opens in mid August, in like 3 weeks, and I'm buried in archery services, gun sales, and floor resets (these have exact dates when they must be completed) and right now I'm short staffed. hired 1 yesterday that passed the background check, but he needs training before he can get behind the gun counter,,,, but yes, Remmy will be hearing from me soon....
Remington just doesn't get it. When someone buys a Marlin 336, they don't want an updated, mass-produced, fancied-up, tacticalized, modernized, laminated wood wonder with an odd, weird look. When someone buys a Marlin lever action, they want old fashioned style, old fashioned quality, old fashioned attention to detail and a trusty, capable gun that works as good as it looks. Remington needs to go to someplace that sells used guns and pick up a few old 336's and take them back to the factory and examine them and one work of the lever on a Marlin made before 2000 is going to convince them that they have a problem. Those old 336's were slick, slick, slick. They were solid, they had a nice walnut stock, simple sights, side ejection so if you wished to mount a scope it was a breeze and the action was like butter. And Marlin did all that for (at that time) less than $400.00 for a new .30-30. What does Remington not understand about that? They need to get rid of all the fancy laminated wood and those dumb-assed egg shaped lever loops and get the action right and they will sell a lot of rifles and win back a lot of lever-action fans. It's simple, but Remington always has had a penchant for modernizing everything. But Ladies and Gentlemen of Remington: when you have something that was perfect in the first place, you don't have to try to make it any better, just get it right and leave it alone.
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i must have gotten lucky with mine i bought last summer. it was kinda rough at first but with a few range trips its nice now, and it a MR #. and its in 35rem.
worst part was trting to get a scoped zero'd but i got that fixed.
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Deazero you weren't kidding. One of the gun shops in Waldorf, MD I went to buy ammo from was trying to sell me a 336. First like you said the guy had to get a firm grip onthe outer loop to cycle it. But it didn't end there. When trying to put the gun into battery, a piece of the bolt was getting hung up on the hammer for the return to cycle a new round in. I told the guy if I was to buy one it aint gonne be that one, and he agreed. He's gonna send it back to Marling and tell them to fix. Apparently he had to send back some Ithica shotguns as well to be re worked, or something. All in all it looks like "made iwth pride in the USA" is just a syaing now that what it actually means. what happenened to beauty and craftsmanship with american guns?
what customer service told me was "it is brand new out of the box and probably just needs broke in. If I "think" there might be a problem, send it in to be checked with a written description of the problem. we will evaluate the situation and perform any repairs we deem necessary."
My reply was get hold of a 336 made like in the 90's or earlier and the difference will be obvious when compared to current production.
their reply, send us the one you have so we can have a look at it.
the conversation basically went nowhere, and I feel it was just a waste of my time.
I know I'll never own one of these new production rifles, and I'm grateful to have in my posession the one I have (70's era production 336 in .35 Rem.)
__________________ If I need more than 1 shot, I need more practice.
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i must have gotten lucky with mine i bought last summer. it was kinda rough at first but with a few range trips its nice now, and it a MR #. and its in 35rem.
worst part was trting to get a scoped zero'd but i got that fixed.
these rifles I'm talking about must have been a complete redesign as of 01/01/2012. I've always has 336 models in 30-30 on the shelf, at least until Dec. 2011 Christmas sales depleted our stock and I had not recieved any 336 models for over 6 months. finally, near the end of July I got the shipment of the "new design of 336" being produced.
when you see one, you will quickly see the differences from the old design. the physical shape of the gun is all that remains similar.
__________________ If I need more than 1 shot, I need more practice.
bad part is the serial numbers are not consecutive, so it's not like a faulty production run. I got 6 of them and took one and degreased the bolt, then cycled it probably 2 to 3 dozen times before re-lubing it to try and get things lapped in. it did get better somewhat but still was harder to pop open than it should be and still tried to stick when wide open when racked hard. better, but still far from good. I just don't have time to do all the other 5 right now. Mondays are kind of slow in the morning so I had some time to fiddle with one of them. yea, they are going to be hard to sell if the buyer has ever used one of the older ones and knows how they should feel.
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Originally Posted by big shrek
First order of Biz should have been to Call Marlin/Remlin and REGISTER A COMPLAINT!!
Let us know what they do for your situation!!
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Originally Posted by deadzero
thats on the agenda, but it most likely will be next week before I'll have time to sit on the phone with them. our Deer season opens in mid August, in like 3 weeks, and I'm buried in archery services, gun sales, and floor resets (these have exact dates when they must be completed) and right now I'm short staffed. hired 1 yesterday that passed the background check, but he needs training before he can get behind the gun counter,,,, but yes, Remmy will be hearing from me soon....
Good idea Big Shrek!
Deadzero...did I miss something here? Monday's are slow so you had time to fiddle with one but you didn't have time to call Remington?
What about the other five?
So here we are on G&G complaining and still no time to call Remington. Were the guns drop-shipped to you ao were they ordered in? Someone has to have known the cosmetics of the order.
Guess it's a priority thing; I would have taken the time Monday to call Remington or your distributor to get a return authorization first off. or talked to the stores buyer and have him/her do it.
Problem is that when a company is bought-out and moved the buying company seldom takes any of the seasoned workers with them so now we have designers trying to up-grade a rifle that doesn't need up-grading and workers building a rifle they have never built before for a company that has no lever guns in their history of gun making...it's a total no-win situation.
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